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James Decker – Inspired Leadership for the New West

James Decker

James Decker is a farmer, attorney, and the Mayor of Stamford, TX, a tight-knit agricultural community located about 45 minutes north of Abilene. James grew up in Stamford, left for college and law school, but immediately returned home to begin his career– his love of his hometown and desire to contribute to its success far outweighed any material success that could result from practicing law in a big city. With his service-oriented mindset and natural leadership abilities, James worked his way up from city council to Mayor, all while working as an attorney and growing his family.

Like so many devoted small-town mayors, James is driven by a deep desire to see his community thrive, despite the many forces that seem to be conspiring against small-town America. He approaches local politics with an inspiring amount of focus and determination, and he’s not afraid to seek out new ideas from a variety of sometimes-unexpected sources. His weekly essays are worth a read whether you live in Stamford or not– he explores subjects ranging from the nuts and bolts of economic development to the writings of Wendell Berry to quotations from Theodore Roosevelt.  

James is a shining example of the positive impact that one passionate person can have when he or she decides to lead with enthusiasm, optimism, and old-fashioned hard work.  We covered a lot in our conversation, starting with his upbringing in Stamford and some of the history of the town. We talk about how he chose to return to Stamford after law school, despite having plenty of other opportunities elsewhere. We discuss the challenges facing rural America and how he chooses to approach economic development with an aggressive, proactive posture.  We also talk about his mentors and heroes, and how his love of history and biographies inform his leadership. We obviously talk a lot about Wendell Berry and Theodore Roosevelt, as well as his favorite books and our shared love of the greatest movie of all time, Road House.

The West is full of many small agricultural towns, and many of those communities share the same opportunities and challenges facing Stamford.  I think you’ll be inspired by this episode, and be sure to check the notes for links to everything we discuss. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of James Decker


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 4:15 – How James describes his work
  • 5:00 – Stamford, Texas described
  • 7:00 – Family history
  • 8:30 – Growing up in Stamford
  • 9:30 – Choice to return to Stamford
  • 15:30 – Local heroes and mentors
  • 18:00 – What creates community pride?
  • 22:30 – James’s weekly essays
  • 26:00 – Decision to run for mayor
  • 28:00 – Biggest surprise of being mayor
  • 31:30 – Biggest challenge facing Stamford
  • 35:30 – Economic opportunities in small towns
  • 39:45 – Sources of inspirations, Wendell Berry and TR
  • 45:15 – Seeking out different opinions
  • 47:00 – National and local politics
  • 51:45 – How kids have changed James’s perspective
  • 57:00 – Importance of aggression
  • 1:00:00 – Best Texas history books
  • 1:02:30 – Favorite books
  • 1:08:50 – Favorite films
  • 11:11:30 – Hobbies away from work
  • 1:13:30 – Favorite location in the West
  • 1:15:30 – Best advice ever received
  • 1:16:30 – Request of the listeners
  • 1:18:00 – Connect with James

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Book Club Selection: “Bad Land” by Jonathan Raban

May-June Book Club Selection: Bad Land by Jonathan Raban


“Nowhere, not even at sea, does a man feel more lonely than when riding over the far-reaching, seemingly never-ending plains; and after a man has lived a little while on or near them, their very vastness and loneliness and their melancholy monotony have a strong fascination for him.” -Theodore Roosevelt

If you’ve spent any amount of time exploring Montana’s eastern plains, then this quote will definitely resonate.

My most recent trip to the area’s “never-ending plains” coincided with some of Montana’s worst wildfires in decades, resulting in a hot, smoky, disorienting three days of rambling around the lonely, vast landscape, confused as to exactly what planet I was actually on.  

And if the landscape isn’t fascinating enough, the history of its white settlement is one of the more eye-opening tales of arrogance, shady corporate influence, and complete disregard for the realities of the West’s harsh climate. The crookedness and cluelessness that defined much of the “taming” of the West can be broadly summarized by the settlement of eastern Montana in the early 20th century.

So, do you want to read a book about it?  Good! Because the May-June Book Club Selection is:

Bad Land: An American Romance by Jonathan Raban

I absolutely loved the book– it’s substantive history presented in an engaging and sometimes-funny style that made it a breeze to read. As a bonus, Raban is British, so he brings an outsider’s perspective to his analysis, utterly free of the romantic biases that Americans often harbor toward the West.

The lessons and facts gleaned from this book have stuck with me long after reading it, and I find myself often thinking back on it as a significant reference point for my understanding of the West.  



If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of Bad Land—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the adventure.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!

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Logan Maxwell Hagege – Artistic Evolution

Logan Maxwell Hagege (photo credit: Jason Frank Rothenberg for Best Made Co.)

If you love the West and you love art, then you are likely already a fan of Logan Maxwell Hagege. He is a renowned painter whose depictions of the people and landscapes of the West have won him acclaim around the globe. His work is as stunning as it is unique, and when you see one of Logan’s pieces, there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind as to exactly who painted it. He uses bold colors and striking composition to create a style that is entirely his own– a style that continues to evolve, even after all of his success.

Logan was born and raised in California, and he has been an obsessive artist for as long as he can remember. Whether drawing, playing music, surfing, or painting, Logan has always gone “all in” on his creative pursuits. And as you’ll hear, Logan’s tendency towards obsession is fueled by a tireless work ethic and deep commitment to continuing to grow as an artist– he is always pushing himself and refuses to rest on his laurels. That’s not to say that Logan doesn’t suffer from artistic blocks from time to time. But when he does, rather than wallow, he’s developed hard-nosed, time-tested methods of summoning creativity and continuing to push forward.

I’ve been a fan of Logan’s for many years, so I was thrilled to get the opportunity to chat with him. We covered a lot, including his childhood creative obsessions and how his parents nurtured his artistic streak. We talk about his formal art education, and how he made the jump from art student to professional artist. Logan describes the evolution of his work, and how his early paintings are almost unrecognizable when compared to his current style. We chat about how he maintains focus after so many years of professional art, and he describes specific ways that he pushes himself to continue to evolve as an artist. He explains how he knows when a painting is finished, and how having a son has changed his routine and outlook. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, films, and the best advice he’s ever received.

There’s a ton of useful information in this episode so be sure to check the episode notes for links to everything.  Enjoy!

“By the Light of Day” by Logan Maxwell Hagege

Photos by Jason Frank Rothenberg for Best Made Co.


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – How Logan describes his work
  • 6:30 – Logan’s childhood artistic endeavors
  • 8:15 – Art education
  • 10:00 – Transition from art school to professional artist
  • 12:15 – Old work compared to new work
  • 15:00 – Transition to a new style of painting
  • 16:45 – Source of Logan’s independence
  • 19:15 – Importance of work ethic
  • 20:30 – How he keeps the artistic motivation alive
  • 21:20 – When the southwest became a focus
  • 23:15 – Logan’s daily creative schedule
  • 25:00 – How parenthood affected Logan’s outlook
  • 26:30 – Logan’s studio spaces
  • 28:00 – The inspiration for Logan’s works
  • 29:45 – How to know when a painting is done
  • 32:00 – Thoughts on looking at others’ artwork
  • 35:00 – What Logan listens to while painting
  • 36:30 – The business of art
  • 38:35 – Mentors and heroes
  • 41:00 – Books on creativity
  • 42:30 – Other non-art activities
  • 46:30 – Favorite books
  • 48:30 – Daily rituals and getting to work
  • 51:00 – More favorite books
  • 52:00 – Favorite films
  • 54:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 58:45 – Best advice ever received
  • 1:03:30 – Request of the listeners

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Mary Rondepierre – Melding Work, Play, and Purpose

Mary Rondepierre

Mary Rondepierre is a fourth-generation Montanan, avid sportswoman, and a public lands advocate who has explored our nation’s wild places from coast to coast. She is also the Marketing and Experiences Manager at Filson, one of the most renowned and respected outdoor apparel brands anywhere. Currently based in Seattle, Mary has managed to combine her personal and professional passions into an exciting and rewarding career that melds together high-performance business with conservation and time in wide-open spaces.

As a child, Mary grew up in a household that respected the outdoors and valued rich experiences over accumulating endless amounts of “stuff.” Her father worked as a commercial fisherman and logger, wearing– you guessed it– Filson gear to his jobs in the often-brutal environments of Alaska and the West. Mary headed to Oregon State for college, and soon after graduation entered the apparel business, eventually landing at Filson. Since then, she’s worn many hats at the company and now works closely with Filson’s partnership with Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, helping to produce their “Campfire Stories” events around the country.

If you’re like me, love the outdoors, and own a ridiculously large stash of gear, odds are you’ve dreamed about working at a well-known outdoor apparel company. Mary’s career serves as an excellent case study for anyone interested in pursuing this path, and she reveals how she managed to land such a dream job. We talk about her education and early career, as well as her decision to work retail at Filson to “get her foot in the door.” We discuss the critical lessons she learned from working on the sales floor, and how those retail experiences inform and enhance her current role at Filson. We chat about an epic road trip she took with her husband in which they visited public lands from coast to coast, and we talk about how her upbringing in rural Montana instilled a deep love and respect of public lands. As usual, we discuss favorite books, places in the West, and the best advice she’s ever received.  Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Mary Rondepierre


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 4:30 – How Mary describes her work
  • 6:30 – History of Filson
  • 9:40 – Holding high standards
  • 11:45 – Outdoor apparel marketing 
  • 13:30 – Partnership with Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
  • 18:10 – How Mary began working in outdoor apparel
  • 19:00 – Mary’s dad’s secret camps!
  • 20:00 – Family history in Montana
  • 22:55 – Childhood outdoor adventures
  • 24:00 – Decision to leave Montana
  • 26:30 – First job out of college
  • 28:30 – First job at Filson
  • 30:10 – Experience working retail
  • 33:30 – Filson’s “Unfailing Goods”
  • 35:30 – Humility gained from retail
  • 38:00 – Advice to recent college grads
  • 41:00 – Thoughts on reading business books versus real-world experience
  • 44:10 – Epic public lands roadtrip
  • 49:30 – Proposal story!
  • 42:00 – Lessons learned from the road trip
  • 55:00 – Favorite spots in the PNW
  • 59:30 – Awesome TR side conversation
  • 1:01:45 – Mentors
  • 1:04:30 – Favorite books
  • 1:09:00 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 1:12:45 – Favorite location in the West
  • 1:13:30 – Best advice ever received
  • 1:14:30 – Request of the listeners
  • 1:16:00 – Connect with Mary

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Bryce Andrews – People, Predators, and the American West

Bryce Andrews – People, Predators, and the American West

Bryce Andrews is a Montana-based rancher, conservationist, and author whose unique set of experiences gives him uncommon insights into the relationship between humans and carnivores in the West. Having worked as a ranch hand, ranch manager, and ranch owner, Bryce understands agriculture and the myriad of challenges faced by producers. As Field Director at the non-profit People and Carnivores, he has gained first-hand knowledge of the predicaments facing large predators in the Rockies. And as an author, he has researched and written extensively about all sides of the issue– most notably in his books Badluck Way and his new book Down from the Mountain, which was published earlier this week.

Bryce grew up in Seattle, far removed from ranching, farming, and the arid ruggedness of the Rocky Mountain West. But soon after college, he landed an entry-level job at the 20,000-acre Sun Ranch, located in Montana’s spectacular Upper Madison River Valley. On the Sun Ranch, Bryce received a trial-by-fire education in the sometimes-problematic relationship between agriculture and wild animals, a relationship he has spent much of his professional career exploring. The latest manifestation of this exploration is Down from the Mountain, an educational, entertaining, and sometimes-heartbreaking book that explores specific interactions between grizzly bears and farms in Montana’s Mission Valley. I was lucky enough to receive an advanced copy of this book and cannot recommend it enough.

If you are familiar with this podcast and the topics that I love to discuss, then you know that Bryce is a perfect guest. He’s smart, funny, insightful, and has a real gift for explaining complex, sometimes controversial topics in an engaging way. We talked a lot about Down from the Mountain, discussing grizzlies, farming, and the unique location and topography of the Mission Valley. We talk about Bryce’s upbringing in Seattle, and what drove him to explore the West after college. We discuss his work with People and Carnivores, and how his background in agriculture helps him to span the divide between his organization and the farming and ranching communities. Bryce also explains his writing and research process and offers some excellent advice for aspiring authors. And as usual, we spend a lot of time discussing books, authors, and his most powerful outdoor experience.

I encourage you to find a copy of Down from the Mountain and give it a read.  You will not be disappointed!

Photos courtesy of Bryce Andrews and HMH Publishing


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – Bryce describes his work
  • 5:20 – How Bryce started ranching
  • 6:30 – First experiences ranching
  • 7:20 – Heading to the Rockies after college
  • 9:00 – Getting a hand-hold in ranching
  • 10:30 – Culture shock of the West
  • 13:50 – First encounter with carnivores
  • 16:30 – Primal thrill of wildlife encounters
  • 17:30 – Work with People and Carnivores
  • 20:00 – Finding common ground in the carnivore controversies
  • 25:00 – “Down from the Mountain”
  • 29:00 – Mission Valley explained
  • 34:00 – Similarities between humans and Grizzlies
  • 37:30 – Unexpected tension of bears in a cornfield
  • 41:20 – Bryce’s history as a writer
  • 42:50 – Favorite/important writers
  • 46:30 – Bryce’s relationship with writing
  • 50:00 – Writing, the flow state, and fear
  • 52:00 – Intense life events versus the boring “real world”
  • 56:15 – Advice for aspiring writers
  • 59:45 – Favorite books about the West
  • 1:01:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 1:03:30 – Request of the listeners
  • 1:05:30 – Connect with Bryce

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Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less

Jessica Lewis

Jessica Lewis is a Montana-based metalsmith who is best known for the beautifully unique jewelry she creates for her online shop, Ruby and Revolver. She is also the mother of a two-year-old daughter, who she is raising with her husband in the home they constructed with their own hands in Montana’s Bitterroot Valley. Thanks to her tireless work ethic and disciplined creativity, Jessica has built an authentic and full life around the things she loves most– her family, her craft, and Western landscapes.

Montana’s rugged mountains and valleys have been a part of Jessica’s life for as long as she can remember, and even though she has traveled widely, she has always returned to Big Sky Country. The Rocky Mountain landscapes inform many aspects of her work, as does her ethic of “doing more with less.” By American standards, she and her family embrace a purposefully minimalist lifestyle which allows Jessica to focus on quality over quantity in both her professional and personal endeavors. In our world of constant connectivity and endless distraction, I’m truly inspired by Jessica’s genuine and mindful approach toward living a simple yet rich and meaningful life.

Jessica was kind enough to take a break from her numerous projects for this fun conversation about her life, creative process, and love of Montana. We chatted about how she got her start making jewelry and how the impending birth of her daughter inspired her to pursue art full time. We talked about how she began making jewelry with the simplest of tools, and how the desire for fancy equipment can distract from the act of making art. We talk a lot about parenthood, and Jessica explains how becoming a mother shifted her perspectives on work and life. We discuss our shared appreciation for Stoic philosophy, and how several specific books have impacted Jessica’s creativity. We talk about the importance of international travel and wisdom gained from spending time abroad. And as usual, we discuss favorite books about the West, the best advice she’s ever received, and several of her unexpected hobbies.  

I really loved the conversation and know you will too.  Thanks again to Jessica for taking the time to chat. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Jessica Lewis


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 3:40 – How Jessica describes her work
  • 5:00 – Jessica’s jewelry described
  • 7:00 – Embracing the rawness of her work
  • 8:50 – Materials used for her jewelry
  • 10:30 – Why she was drawn to metalworking
  • 12:15 – Starting out with simple tools
  • 14:30 – Importance of her studio
  • 17:00 – Making the leap into full-time art
  • 19:45 – The bravery to pursue artistic dreams
  • 22:50 – How kids change parents’ perspectives
  • 23:45 – Creative mentors and influences
  • 25:50 – Books that have influenced creativity
  • 29:30 – Daily routines
  • 30:55 – Importance of exercise
  • 31:50 – Living in the Bitterroot Valley
  • 32:45 – Growing up in Montana
  • 35:30 – International travels*
  • 36:45 – Lessons learned from international travel
  • 39:00 – “Doing more with less”
  • 42:00 – Ed’s weird story about accumulating junk
  • 44:00 – More on parenthood and its effects
  • 46:10 – Advice to new parents
  • 48:30 – Current project of building a new house by hand
  • 52:00 – Jessica’s healthy relationship with technology
  • 57:15 – Advice to aspiring creatives
  • 59:50 – Favorite books
  • 1:03:25 – Favorite films
  • 1:05:30 – Surprising activities
  • 1:07:00 – Favorite location in the West
  • 1:08:30 – Best advice received
  • 1:10:30 – Request of the listeners
  • 1:11:50 – Connect with Jessica online
  • (*Quick correction – In our discussion around travel, we mistakenly mispoke about Maoist insurgency in Vietnam, which was incorrect. The insurgency was in Nepal, where Jess also worked in the women’s clinic. Apoloigies for any confusion!)

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Len Necefer – Indigenous​ Advocate

Len Necefer, in his element

Len Necefer is a scholar, entrepreneur, and outdoor adventurer who is also a proud member of the Navajo Nation. Academically, Len holds a Ph.D. in engineering and public policy, and he is currently a professor of both Indian Studies and public policy at the University of Arizona. In business, he’s the CEO of NativesOutdoors, a cutting-edge outdoor apparel company that uses its platform to advocate for the cultural empowerment indigenous people. And to top it all off, Len is a committed mountaineer, backcountry skier, and rock climber, having ticked off countless impressive adventures throughout the West.

It is clear that Len has accomplished a lot personally, but what is even more impressive is the positive ripple effect his work is having on the outdoor industry. By melding his professional expertise, personal interests, and cultural heritage, he has become one of the leading voices advocating for Native American representation in outdoor recreation and conservation. His work and personal story have been featured in big-time publications such as Outside and Alpinist, and he’s recently delved into filmmaking with his newest film Welcome to Gwichyaa Zhee. As you’ll hear, Len has a unique ability to educate and inspire, and his message is striking a chord with a large, engaged audience.

As you’d expect from a guy as multifaceted as Len, he offers up a wealth of knowledge in our conversation. We talked about his Navajo heritage and discussed the unique history and culture of the Navajo tribe. We chatted about his recent film and discussed the of impact oil and gas development on Native populations in areas such as Bears Ears and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. We chatted about the need for mutual respect between the outdoor industry and indigenous groups, and Len explains two fascinating case studies around rock climbing on sacred Native lands. He gives an excellent overview of his company NativesOutdoors, and he explains why he chose to start a business instead of a non-profit. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, films, and the best advice he ever received.  

Thanks so much to Len for carving out time to chat. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did!

Photos courtesy of Len Necefer


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 4:10 – How Len describes his work
  • 6:15 – Len’s early years
  • 7:00 – Navajo background
  • 9:00 – History of the Navajo tribe
  • 12:00 – Len’s new film: “Welcome to Gwichyaa Zhee”
  • 16:15 – Oil and gas development’s impact on humans
  • 19:40 – Historic native management of landscapes
  • 22:15 – Preservation of people as new phase of conservation
  • 27:15 – NativesOutdoors
  • 33:00 – For-profit versus non-profit
  • 34:00 – Native Americans and the outdoor industry
  • 38:30 – Climbing Case Studies: Devil’s Tower versus Bears Ears
  • 43:00 – How does he accomplish so much?
  • 45:00 – Len’s work ethic
  • 48:15 – Best books about Native American culture
  • 50:45 – Favorite books about the West
  • 52:00 – Favorite films
  • 53:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 56:15 – Favorite locations in the West
  • 57:00 – Best advice ever received
  • 58:30 – Request of the listeners
  • 59:15 – Connect with Len

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Book Club Selection: “Empire of the Summer Moon” by S.C. Gwynne

March-April Book Club Selection: Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C. Gwynne

On the podcast, I’ve spent a fair bit of time chatting with Texans– artists, ranchers, conservationists, and captains, to name a few. But I’ve yet to recommend a book that digs deep into Texas’s rich history…. and the word “rich” is quite an understatement.

Say what you will about Texas, but there’s no denying that the Lone Star State boasts some of our country’s wildest stories, biggest personalities, and most extreme and contradictory points of view. Its history is at times violent, its people are proud, and in many ways, its culture so strong that Texas might as well be a nation unto itself. As a student of history and a lifelong friend to many Texans, I don’t know that there is a more fascinating and polarizing region in the United States.

So, as a nod to my many Texan friends and podcast listeners, the March-April Book Club selection is:

Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History by S.C. Gwynne

This action-packed book provides a sweeping history of Texas, framed around the legendary Comanche Indian tribe. It’s fun to read, yet packed with enough detailed history to satisfy the most ardent history buffs. It gives vivid descriptions of the brutality that accompanied life on the frontier while paying ample attention to the numerous competing cultures– Native Americans, white settlers, and Mexicans. I was especially amazed by the story of Comanche chief Quanah Parker, a one-of-a-kind leader and warrior whom I knew nothing about prior to reading this book.

If you want a taste of the writing before committing to reading the full 300 pages, you can check out this excerpt printed in the New York Times. The book has been recommended by podcast guests time and again, and I especially enjoyed it, so I hope you’ll give it a read and let me know what you think.



If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of Empire of the Summer Moon—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the adventure.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!

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Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West

Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West

Chris Dombrowski is an author, poet, and fishing guide who lives and works in Missoula, Montana. As a writer, Chris is probably best known for his book Body of Water: A Sage, a Seeker, and the World’s Most Elusive Fish, which is one of the best books I’ve read in years. He has also published several collections of poetry, and his newest volume titled Ragged Anthem will be released this week. When you merge Chris’s decades of experience in the outdoors with his phenomenal skills as a wordsmith and creative, the end product is some of the most engaging writing that any outdoor lover could ever hope to read.

Chris grew up in Michigan and was always drawn to fishing, hunting, and outdoor adventure. During high school, his favorite English teacher gave him a copy of A River Runs Through It—he devoured the book in a day and from that point forward he knew he wanted to be a professional writer living in the American West. Over the following years, he began fish guiding in Montana, attended graduate school in Missoula, and built a solid career as a working writer and poet.  Along the way, he formed friendships with such notable western writers as Jim Harrison and David James Duncan, and he established his nonprofit writing workshop, the Beargrass Writing Retreat.

If you are interested in creativity, writing, or the writing process, then you will absolutely love this episode with Chris. We discuss that fateful day when he read A River Runs Through It and exactly how that moment changed his life. We discuss his work as a teacher and a guide, and how those skills inform his writing. We talk about his writing process and his writing studio, the importance of creating art with a disciplined, workman-like approach, and how he deals with any self-doubt that may come with publishing his work. We chat in depth about poetry, and Chris offers some great advice for poetry novices like me who want to better understand the art form.  We talk about specific writers Chris particularly admires, including John McFee, James Galvin, Thomas McGuane, David James Duncan, Jim Harrison, and more. He offers a ton of great book recommendations, discusses his favorite rivers in Montana, and shares some excellent words of wisdom to people who love the West.

Thanks again to Chris for this fun conversation—I hope you enjoy it!

Photos courtesy of Chris Dombrowski


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 3:00 – How Chris describes his work
  • 6:30 – Story behind “Body of Water”
  • 13:00 – How writing poetry helps his nonfiction work
  • 17:00 – Structuring nonfiction like McPhee
  • 19:00 – Experience teaching
  • 21:00 – Reading seriously
  • 23:15 – Teaching as a complement to writing
  • 25:30 – Early experiences in Montana
  • 27:00 – First big trip to the Rockies
  • 27:30 – First time reading “A River Runs Through It”
  • 29:00 – Importance of fishing
  • 31:00 – Importance of passion in work
  • 34:30 – Chris’s writing process
  • 38:00 – Importance of having a writing studio
  • 44:00 – Struggle of staying on task
  • 48:30 – Dealing with self doubt
  • 54:30 – How to read poetry
  • 1:00:30 – Lessons learned from Jim Harrison
  • 1:05:00 – Background on “Ragged Anthem”
  • 1:08:30 – In depth conversation on podcasts
  • 1:12:00 – Favorite books about the West
  • 1:19:00 – Favorite rivers in the West
  • 1:21:00 – Words of wisdom
  • 1:25:15 – Connect with Chris

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Auden Schendler – The Optimistic Pragmatist

Auden Schender

Auden Schendler is Senior Vice President of Sustainability at Aspen Skiing Company, where he focuses on finding large-scale solutions to climate change, specifically through clean energy and activism. Aspen Skiing Company has long been at the forefront of sustainable business practices, and Auden is one of the main forces behind the scenes driving those efforts—efforts that have positively influenced the ski and outdoor industries at large. In addition to his daily work in Aspen, he’s a well-known author and speaker, and he wrote the amazingly impactful book Getting Green Done: Hard Truths from the Front Lines of the Sustainability Revolution.

For a guy who spends his days deep in the trenches fighting the forces of climate change, Auden is surprisingly upbeat, energetic, and funny—as you’ll hear, we spend quite a bit of time laughing. But he’s far from naive or overly idealistic—he is quick to call out “greenwashing” when he sees it and is unapologetically focused on achieving specific, measurable results. Through trial and error and a lot of hard work, Auden has managed to find the balance of the optimism needed to pursue audacious initiatives with the pragmatism required to succeed in a competitive business environment.

From a personal perspective, Auden’s work and writing have been especially impactful on my career—I read his book a few months after earning my MBA, and it provided a much different perspective from the profit-at-all-costs philosophy that was the norm in business school.  So it was obviously an honor to meet him, and I appreciate his letting me hassle him with questions for an hour.

We had a wide-ranging and fun conservation, discussing A work at Aspen Skiing Company and how he got his start in sustainability. We talked a lot about reading and books, specifically how the works of Cormac McCarthy and Jack Kerouac affected his outlook and approach to work. We chat about his daily routine and how he manages to fit so much into a single day, as well as how he wraps his head around pursuing a goal as overwhelming as solving climate change. We also talk about his expedition to Denali, how his kids have changed his outlook, and the importance of daily exercise. And as usual, we discuss favorite books about the West, favorite films, and his favorite location in the West.

This is an excellent episode, and I can’t thank Auden enough for making time in his busy schedule to chat.  Links to everything are in the episode notes. Enjoy!

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Topics Discussed:

  • 3:10 – How Auden began his career in sustainability
  • 4:15 – Transition from theoretical sustainability to the business world
  • 7:10 – Balancing patience with action
  • 8:45 – Work as a practice
  • 11:30 – Understanding the need for big challenges
  • 12:45 – Mentors
  • 16:00 – First visits to the West
  • 17:30 – Republicans and the history of conservation
  • 18:45 – On the Road’s influence on Auden
  • 20:00 – Favorite failures
  • 22:00 – Influence of Pat O’Donnell
  • 24:30 – Publicly traded versus private companies
  • 26:00 – Companies as political levels
  • 29:00 – Dealing with climate change deniers
  • 31:15 – Dealing with criticism
  • 33:00 – Basalt fire and community 
  • 35:30 – Why does Auden choose to stay in the trenches?
  • 37:15 – Auden’s daily routine
  • 40:15 – How kids change his perspective
  • 42:20 – Favorite books about the West
  • 45:50 – Favorite films
  • 47:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 51:00 – Favorite location in the West
  • 52:45 – Best advice he’s ever received 
  • 54:40 – Request of the podcast listeners
  • 55:50 – Connect with Auden

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Russ Schnitzer – A Life Devoted to Western Landscapes

Russ Schnitzer

The virtual event planned with Russ has is being rescheduled for early-to-mid April. Check back soon for a specific date and time!!

Russ Schnitzer is a Colorado-based conservationist and professional photographer whose love for the landscapes and people of the American West shines through in all aspects of his life. Russ is the Senior Program Officer for Natural Resources at the Gates Family Foundation, one of Colorado’s most effective and generous conservation funders.  As a photographer, he’s worked with some of the biggest names in the flyfishing world, including Patagonia, R.L Winston Rod Co., Orvis, The Drake Magazine, The Flyfish Journal, and more. And to top it all off, Russ is a former hotshot wildland firefighter and smokejumper, and, as you’d expect, he has some amazing stories from that period of his life.

Russ grew up in the midwest, but he headed to Idaho for college and has never looked back. During and after college, he fought fires throughout the West, and through that challenging, intense, dangerous work– and at least one devastating tragedy– he learned lessons that he still applies to his life today. Russ’s entire career has focused on protecting Western landscapes, and prior to the Gates Family Foundation, he worked for such notable organizations as Trout Unlimited and the Nature Conservancy. In his current role with Gates, he is laser-focused on finding community-driven conservation solutions for threatened landscapes, and during this episode, we go into great depths discussing his philosophies around effective conservation in the West.

Whether you’re interested in the nitty-gritty details of large-scale land conservation or lessons learned from a life of hardcore adventure, there’s something in this episode for you. Russ and I were on a tight schedule, but we still managed to cover a lot… and left plenty of room for a part two at some point in the future. We discuss the value of private land conservation in the West and the need for community buy-in and ownership for all conservation initiatives. We talk about the importance of agriculture from an ecological and economic standpoint, with some very specific examples from eastern Colorado. Russ also shares some stories from his time as a hotshot and smokejumper– the life-long bonds he formed with his teammates, the impact of these intense experiences on his life, and how he pushed through a terrible tragedy early in his firefighting career.

There is so much wisdom and valuable information in this episode, so listen closely and check the episode notes for links to everything. Thanks again to Russ for taking the time to chat. Hope you enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Russ Schnitzer


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Episode Notes


Topics Discussed:

  • 3:55 – How Russ describes his work
  • 5:10 – Background in photography
  • 7:00 – Growing up in Minnesota 
  • 9:00 – Intersection of photography and conservation
  • 11:00 – Importance of community in conservation
  • 14:40 – Conservation in southeast Colorado
  • 20:30 – Ecological diversity in southeast Colorado
  • 21:30 – Importance of grazing for grassland health
  • 27:00 – Favorite conservation books
  • 29:00 – Importance of aggression in conservation
  • 33:00 – Water in Colorado
  • 38:20 – Greater Sage Grouse discussion
  • 41:10 – Tips for those who want to get into conservation
  • 47:30 – Career as a smokejumper and hotshot
  • 55:00 – Hard work and teamwork in firefighting
  • 56:40 – Enduring tragedy in firefighting
  • 59:00 – Joining the smokejumpers
  • 1:00:15 – Remembering life as a smokejumper
  • 1:03:00 – Lessons learned from firefighting
  • 1:08:00 – Importance of self awareness 
  • 1:12:00 – Connect with Russ online

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Chandra Brown – Fostering Creativity Through River Adventures

Chandra Brown

Chandra Brown is an educator, writer, and river guide who has worked on the West’s most iconic rivers, including many seasons below the rim of the Grand Canyon. She’s also the founder of the Freeflow Institute, a unique Montana-based program that offers multi-day river trips for writers and creatives that combine immersion in the natural world with instruction from some of the West’s most well-known, prolific outdoor writers. By combining creativity with adventure in some of the West’s most spectacular landscapes, Freeflow helps to “eliminate the barrier between artist and environment,” resulting in creative inspiration and an increased desire to preserve our wild places.

Growing up in Alaska, Chandra has always had close connections to the land and life in the outdoors. It was during a family trip to Montana during high school that she fell in love with rivers; since then, rivers have played a foundational role in both her personal and professional lives. She attended college in Bozeman, studied in Ecuador as a Fulbright Scholar, and spent extensive time on rivers in both places. Currently she burns the candle at both ends– teaching high school Spanish during the school year and guiding rivers in the summer, all while working as a freelance writer and building the Freeflow Institute from the ground up.  

Thanks to her love of books, writing, adventure, and conservation, Chandra is a perfect guest for this podcast. We cover a lot in just over an hour, including the genesis of the idea for the Freeflow Institute and how she turned that idea into reality. We discuss some of the well-known writers who teach on Freeflow trips, including Hal Herring, Chris Dombrowski, and past podcast guests Alexis Bonogofsky and Brendan Leonard. We talk about lessons learned from her time in Ecuador, her creative process for writing, and her own writing heroes and mentors. We discuss conservation, adventure, and, of course, favorite books, films, and locations in the West.

Chandra is an amazing woman who is pursuing her passions with an inspiring amount of focus and determination, and she’s created something very special in the Freeflow Institute. Check out the episode notes for links to everything, including a short film below that gives an excellent overview of the project.  Enjoy!

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

  • 3:40 – Chandra describes her work
  • 5:00 – Freeflow Institute explained
  • 7:00 – Taking Freeflow from idea to reality
  • 9:15 – Hal Herring
  • 11:30 – Importance of open-mindedness
  • 14:00 – Wilderness breaking down barriers
  • 17:40 – Growing up in Alaska
  • 19:00 – Outdoor experiences as a kid
  • 22:00 – Falling in love with rivers
  • 23:30 – College in Montana
  • 26:30 – Fulbright Scholar in Ecuador
  • 28:00 – Lessons learned from international living
  • 35:40 – Writing as a focus of her life
  • 38:40 – Life in Missoula and teaching
  • 40:50 – The Grand Canyon
  • 42:40 – Lessons from guiding
  • 44:15 – Talent versus hard work in writing
  • 47:30 – Chandra’s writing routine
  • 52:00 – Heroes and mentors
  • 57:30 – Conservation challenges
  • 1:02:30 – Favorite books
  • 1:05:00 – Favorite films
  • 1:06:00 – Hobbies
  • 1:07:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 1:10:30 – Favorite location in the West
  • 1:11:15 – Best advice ever received
  • 1:12:00 – Request of the listeners
  • 1:13:10 – Connect with Freeflow online

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Jesse Womack – Land Stewardship is in His Blood

Jesse Womack – Land Stewardship is in His Blood

Jesse Womack wears many hats, but at his core, he is a rancher. He is the fifth generation to operate his family’s ranch near Victoria, Texas, a large-scale cattle operation that uses progressive land management techniques in a very unique landscape. Jesse also works closely with Texas Christian University’s Institute of Ranch Management, traveling far and wide to teach sustainable agricultural techniques to ranchers and farmers around the world. And on top of all of that, he is also a cofounder of Explore Ranches, alongside past podcast guests Jay Kleberg and Allison Ryan.

Responsible land stewardship is in Jesse’s DNA, and it is the foundation of all of his professional ventures. And as you’ll hear, he’s an open-minded, independent, and critical thinker who is able to speak eloquently on a wide array of sometimes-controversial issues surrounding agriculture.  When you combine those traits with his rock-solid work ethic and focus, you will understand why he has been able to establish himself as such a leader in agriculture, both in Texas and abroad. Whether you’re deeply involved in agriculture or you’ve never set foot on a ranch, you’ll glean a great deal of value from Jesse’s perspective—his knowledge, passion, and worldly perspective are applicable for any type of endeavor.

Jesse and I went to high school together, and even after knowing him for more than 25 years, I still learned a lot from this conversation. We talk about his work with TCU, and he shares some success stories from his time teaching in Panama, Ghana, Nigeria, and Brazil. He explains the importance of community buy-in and how focusing on commonalities and shared goals can help overcome cultural divides. We talk about his family’s history in Texas, and how he is raising his two sons to love and respect the outdoors. Jesse give a few updates on Explore Ranches, and talks about some exciting events they will be hosting soon. We also chat about his involvement with the Texas Agricultural Land Trust, and how conservation easements can be a useful tool for ranchers in Texas and beyond.  And as usual, we discuss favorite books and movies, and Jesse shares the best piece of advice he’s ever received, which I especially appreciated .

Thanks so much for listening, and I hope you enjoy this conversation with Jesse Womack!

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Topics Discussed:

  • 3:30 – Funny story about Jesse’s son
  • 5:00 – How Jesse describes his work
  • 6:30 – TCU Institute of Ranch Management explained
  • 8:30 – Experience in Brazil
  • 10:00 – Countries where Jesse works
  • 12:45 – Adjusting to different landscapes and cultures
  • 14:00 – Success stories from TCU
  • 17:45 – Importance of community buy-in
  • 20:15 – Challenges of ranching in Brazil
  • 23:30 – Misconceptions of ranching by environmentalists
  • 30:30 – The need to be open-minded and consider other viewpoints
  • 34:30 – Climate change and ranching
  • 38:00 – Jesse’s family history in Texas
  • 41:30 – Jesse’s family’s commitment to conservation
  • 44:30 – Pressure of multigenerational ranch ownership
  • 46:00 – Jesse’s career
  • 47:30 – Surprises of running a ranch
  • 49:00 – Texas Agricultural Land Trust
  • 42:30 – Easements as a tool for agricultural
  • 55:30 – Updates on Explore Ranches
  • 57:30 – Mentors and heroes in ranching
  • 59:30 – Our shared experience at Woodberry Forest School
  • 52:00 – Lessons learned at Woodberry
  • 1:05:30 – Favorite books
  • 1:08:15 – Favorite films
  • 1:08:45 – Hobbies
  • 1:09:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
  • 1:14:15 – Favorite location in the West
  • 1:14:45 – Best advice ever recieved
  • 1:16:45 – Connect with Jesse online

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Book Club Selection: “Where the Water Goes” by David Owen

January-February Book Club Selection: Where the Water Goes by David Owen

If you want to understand the West, you need to understand water in the West. It’s an amazingly complex subject, one that only seems to get more complex the deeper I dig. Much of my work at Palmer Land Trust is focused on water, so I’m constantly searching for new books and resources to expand my understanding of this all-important subject.  

I’ve read many of the water classics– Cadillac Desert and Beyond the Hundredth Meridian are at the top of that list. But several veteran conservationists I know have recently recommended a different title, one that is relatively new and offers a solid overview of the water challenges specifically along the Colorado River basin. According to them, it’s short, entertaining, and easy-to-read– all characteristics rarely associated with the subject of water in the West!

So, the January-February Book Club selection is:

Where the Water Goes: Life and Death Along the Colorado River by David Owen

This is the first book club selection that I haven’t already read, so I’m excited to plow through it alongside you all.  I’ve been relatively slack about commenting over on the Goodreads page, so I’ll try my best to do better this time around. Because so much of my professional energy is devoted toward water conservation, I have lots of interesting supplemental material to share.

For a primer on some of the issues associated with the Colorado River basin, I’d suggest listening to my podcast episode with Pete McBride. He’s a wealth of knowledge when it come to water, especially the Colorado River.



If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of Where the Water Goes—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the adventure.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!

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Melissa DiNino – Building a Unique Life in Big Sky Country

Melissa DiNino (photo: Louise Johns)

Melissa DiNino is a biologist, artist, and designer who currently lives and works in Montana’s legendary Tom Miner Basin. A native easterner, Melissa moved West soon after college to work as a range rider– a job that involves monitoring livestock on horseback in an effort to encourage the successful coexistence of livestock and apex predators in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. In her role as a range rider, Melissa developed a deep appreciation for Montana’s spectacular landscapes, the challenging relationship between people and predators, and the importance of compassionate communication between all stakeholders.

Melissa grew up in Connecticut, and developed an early love of adventure and the outdoors while spending time at her family’s cabin in Maine. She’s also a committed athlete and played competitive basketball from age five through college. As you’ll hear, Melissa is humble and soft spoken, but she has a track record of pushing herself hard, both in academics and athletics, as well as in her present-day professional work and art.  Although only in her mid-20s, Melissa is wise beyond her years and is committed to doing meaningful work in a place that she loves, surrounded by a supportive community… and she’s making it happen in an inspiring way.

I know regular listeners will really enjoy this conversation, but it will be especially valuable to anyone who is in the early stages of their career, looking to do work that is meaningful and fulfilling.  Melissa and I discuss her path to Montana, as well as some of the challenges and funny mishaps of adjusting to life in the West. We talk about the realities of piecing together a variety of different jobs and artistic endeavors, while remaining focused on the big picture of doing work that matters. We chat about lessons learned from athletics, the value of being competitive with oneself, and importance of being willing to “put yourself out there” in creative pursuits. We also dig into some details around wolves, grizzlies, and the importance of civil discourse when discussing emotional subjects like wolves. And as usual, we talk about favorite books, films, and places in the West. Links to everything are in the episode notes.

Thanks so much for listening, and I hope you enjoy this conversation with Melissa DiNino!

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Topics Discussed:

3:30 – How Melissa describes her work
4:50 – Range riding explained
9:30 – Balancing grazing and predators
11:15 – The human element of range riding
13:00 – How Melissa started range riding
14:45 – Transition to Montana
16:15 – Embarrassing/funny Montana story
19:45 – Growing up in Connecticut
20:30 – Adventures in Maine
21:30 – Parents’ influence
24:10 – Basketball
25:55 – Competition and lessons learned from sports
29:00 – Why she chose to study wolves
32:25 – Tips for having tough conversations
36:00 – Stories of collaboration
37:30 – Crazy stories from range riding
38:45 – Books about wolves
42:00 – Background in design
43:15 – Art and watercolors
46:10 – Artistic mentors
48:00 – Future plans
50:00 – Mentors
51:20 – Favorite books
53:00 – Favorite films
54:00 – Weird hobbies
55:20 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:01:00 – Favorite location in the West
1:02:00 – Request of the listeners
1:02:50 – Connect with Melissa online
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My 12 Favorite Books of 2018

My 12 Favorite Books of 2018


2018 was quite a year—we welcomed our second daughter, I transitioned into full-time land conservation, and the podcast ramped up to a level I’d never expected. All of these exciting (and time-consuming) happenings made me feel that I was constantly behind on my reading, but as it turns out, I managed to crank through a respectable number of really good books.

Below, in the order that I read them, are my favorites from the year. I hope you find a few that are of interest. Here’s to many more great books in 2019!


American Wolf: A True Story of Survival and Obsession in the West by Nate Blakeslee – To truly understand the modern-day West, you need to understand the history of and controversy around wolves. This fast-paced, fun-to-read story follows a wolf pack in Yellowstone National Park, with an emphasis on its charismatic pack leader 0-Six. You won’t be able to put it down.

60 Meters to Anywhere by Brendan Leonard – A raw, heartbreaking, and at-times-hilarious memoir about Brendan’s struggle with and triumph over alcohol addiction. An inspiring testament to the healing power of adventure and purpose-driven time outdoors, as well how struggle can ultimately fuel future success, both personally and professionally.

The Painter by Peter Heller – The first fiction book I’ve read in more than six years, and I loved it. An action-packed story, complex characters, and some of the richest descriptions of Colorado and New Mexico that I’ve ever encountered.

Tiger Woods by Jeff Benedict and Armen Keyeyian – I think about this book at least once per week, probably because as a father, I can’t imagine how in the hell Earl Woods thought the smothering, grinding pressure he put on young Tiger could possibly be healthy. It’s a tale of elite talent, disgusting family dynamics, and the eventual implosion of a cultural icon.

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan – Like most Americans, I considered psychedelic drugs to be the pastime of ex-hippies and going-nowhere-fast burnouts. But leave it to Pollan to change my entire perspective on this subject—turns out, these substances are helping everyone from veterans with PTSD to people with drug-resistant depression to high performers who want to be even better.

On Desperate Ground: The Marines at The Reservoir, the Korean War’s Greatest Battle by Hampton Sides – Once again, Hampton Sides knocks it out of the park with this story of one of the most brutal battles in American military history. Prior to this book, I knew next to nothing about the Korean War, but as usual, Hampton educated me on little-known history in an engaging and entertaining narrative.

Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier – Seems like the title pretty much sums it up.

Ultimate Glory: Frisbee, Obsession, and My Wild Youth by David Gessner – If you’ve ever pursued a passion that most people would call foolhardy, silly, or a waste of time, then this memoir is for you. Like all of Gessner’s work, it’s hilarious, insightful, honest, and beautifully written. I’m far from a frisbee aficionado, but I gleaned tons of value from this book.

The Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim by Pete McBride – Calling this a simple “book” is a blatant understatement. It’s a work of art that combines breathtaking photography, an engaging adventure narrative, and an examination of the conservation challenges facing one of our nation’s most iconic national parks.

Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West by Sara Dant – A must-read for anyone who loves the West and its history, particularly from a conservation point of view. Sara gracefully packs in an amazing amount of important information and analysis into this relatively short book, starting with human migration into North America and ending in present day and our scramble to find solutions to climate change and natural resource shortages.

Can’t Hurt Me: Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds by David Goggins – The sometimes-hard-to-believe life story of former Navy SEAL and ultra-endurance athlete David Goggins. It’s full of contradictions and foul language, but I found it to be one of the most impiring books I’ve read. I’d encourage you to listen to the audiobook, as it contains behind-the-scenes conversation between the co-author and Goggins.

Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI by David Grann – My first book by Grann, and it won’t be the last. A truth-is-stranger-than-fiction story of a series of insane murders/poisonings on the Osage Indian reservation, and the multi-year hunt for the killer. Narrative history at its best.





2018 Reads

A comprehensive list of every book I recommended in 2018, taken directly from my bimonthly book recommendations email.






American Wolf: A True Story of Survival and Obsession in the West by Nate Blakeslee – When I asked renowned author and historian Dan Flores to recommend his favorite books about the American West, he named American Wolf right alongside Stegner’s Beyond the Hundredth Meridian. You can’t receive much higher praise than that! And I’m pleased to report that the book does not disappoint—it’s an action-packed, engaging narrative of the lives of wolf packs living in and around Yellowstone National Park, with a special emphasis on O-Six, a charismatic pack leader. Wolves are a delicate subject here in the West, and most discussions of the legendary canine are sure to evoke strong reactions from anyone connected to the region. The animal and its influence touch almost every aspect of life in the Rockies, and it’s difficult to understand the region without understanding wolves. I found the book to be balanced, informative, and fun– I highly recommend it. (American Wolf was also the first selection of the Mountain & Prairie Book Club. Visit this Goodreads page to join the discussion.)

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B. Peterson – During the past year, I’ve heard Dr. Peterson interviewed on several podcasts, and I’ve become more and more intrigued by his work. He is a Canadian clinical psychologist and college professor by trade, and he has some very interesting ideas on the importance of clearly defining one’s purpose, as well as the benefits of discipline and struggle in service of achieving one’s goals. He is also a staunch critic of political correctness run amok and has engaged in several well-publicized battles with Canada’s government over the issue. Many of his ideas resonate strongly with me, and I thoroughly enjoyed this book. I was particularly taken by “Rule 5: Don’t Let Your Children Do Anything That Makes You Dislike Them,” as his advice on raising children flies in the face of the “everybody gets a trophy” mentality that seems to dominate a lot of modern parenting. I did find myself getting bogged down in some of his discussions about mythology and religion, but I just skipped through that and quickly reengaged. I had high expectations for this book and enjoyed it immensely. [The best Peterson podcast interviews were with Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink.]

Oranges by John McPhee – Whenever I read anything by McPhee, I’m blown away by how clear and precise his writing is — somehow he’s able to walk the tightrope of being fully descriptive of people, places, and events without any excess verbiage or flowery prose. It’s an amazing talent and skill, making it a true pleasure to read anything he has written. This book is simply a biography of the orange. I had no idea how fascinating a piece of fruit could be, but McPhee successfully weaves together history, ecology, biology, agriculture, and sociology in a fun and easy-to-read manner. This book was published in 1975, so I would be interested to read an updated version, one that explains how technological advances in agriculture and genetics have changed the fruit and the citrus-growing process. [You’re probably sick of my recommending it, but if you like biographies of non-people, Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World by Mark Kurlansky is the best.]

At Home: A Short History of Private Life by Bill Bryson – Speaking of talented writers, Bill Bryson blows my mind. All of his books are absurdly dense, but he presents overwhelming amounts of information in a fun style that allows me to plow through hundreds of pages with very little effort. In At Home, Bryson gives a room-by-room tour of his home in England, explaining its history and linking in an amazing number of tangentially related stories and facts. For example, his discussion of the plum room veers off into the history of Monticello and Mount Vernon, with even more tangents about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. And when he describes the dining room, it’s not long before he’s explaining the finer points of scurvy and the history of the global spice trade. How he managed to keep my attention, I’ll never know. But every time I started wondering “Where in the hell is he going with this?,” he reigned it in and kept the story moving forward. It’s a great book that would likely be useful for anyone with dreams of trying out for Jeopardy. [Bryson’s A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail is hilarious and worth a read.]

Hell in the Pacific: A Marine Rifleman’s Journey From Guadalcanal to Peleliu by Jim McEnery and Bill Sloan — My maternal grandfather fought in World War II in the Pacific Theater as the commander of an Army amphibious tank battalion. He and his men would storm the beaches of a South Pacific island, fight the entrenched Japanese, secure the island, then move on to the next one. The stories my grandfather told me of those battles are wild, so I was excited to dig into this book and learn more. It is basically the history of two massive battles—Guadalcanal and Peleliu. It’s written just as McEnery would speak, full of “colorful” language and sometimes hilarious descriptions of the battles and harsh tropical conditions. I’d imagine the language could offend some people, but I appreciated that it was unfiltered, providing more realistic insights into the soldiers’ states of mind. If you’re looking for a detailed history lesson about WWII in the Pacific, this is not your book. But if you want a no-holds-barred, entertaining account of what it felt like to be a brave, hard-fighting member of the Greatest Generation, you’ll enjoy it. [I read it over 15 years ago, but D-Day by Stephen Ambrose is a WWII classic.]

When Things Fall Apart: Heartfelt Advice For Difficult Times, The Places that Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times, and Start Where You Are: A Guide to Compassionate Living, and by Pema Chodron — I’m not a Buddhist, but I consider the Buddhist nun Pema Chodron to be one of the wisest humans on the planet. Her thoughts on mindfulness, compassion, and fear have significantly affected my life for the better. I keep these three books on my bedside table and thumb through them several times per week. The titles of these books are a bit misleading—they seem slightly morose or aimed at folks dealing with significant tragedies or acute difficulties, which (luckily) I am not. For me, the books present effective mental frameworks for dealing with normal life challenges, the sort that everyone faces on a daily basis. All three books consist of short three-to-five page chapters that can be read quickly, at night before bed or first thing in the morning. My copies are full of underlines and notes, and I’ve found that I gain new insights even after re-reading chapters multiple times. [I also listen to these three Pema audiobooks over and over and over: Don’t Bite The Hook, Getting Unstuck, and Smile at Fear.]

60 Meters to Anywhere by Brendan Leonard – I loved this book—read it in just three sittings. It’s the brutally honest memoir of climber, writer, and all-around creative Brendan Leonard that details his struggle with and triumph over alcohol addiction. At times heartbreaking, other times hilarious, the author holds nothing back as he describes how the outdoors, specifically rock climbing, helped him step off of a destructive, selfish path and onto his current path of living authentically, creatively, and generously. The book is a testament to the healing power of adventure and purpose-driven time outdoors. It’s also a testament to how struggles can ultimately make a person stronger and fuel future success that would not have been possible otherwise. [For another example of transforming a personal liability into great success, read Lincoln’s Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled his Greatness by Joshua Wolf Shenk.]

Make It Till You Make It: 40 Myths and Truths About Creating by Brendan Leonard – If you have a nagging desire to create, but are held back by endless excuses about why it’s not practical, financially viable, blah, blah, blah, then you need to read this short book immediately. It will eliminate the excuses for starting your creative endeavors, but also dispel any silly, meme-driven ideas that creativity is easy. The book is part motivation and part realistic gut check. No, you may not “make it big” as the next internet sensation, but with enough hard work and tenacity, you can make it as a prolific and fulfilled creative. [Pair this book with Steven Pressfields War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles, and you’re all set. Then stop reading, and start doing!]

Why Courage Matters: The Way to a Braver Life by John McCain – In my line of work, I have the privilege of dealing with what seems to be an abnormally high number of huckster scumbags. Books like this one help to reinforce my values and steel myself against any temptations to either 1) move over to the darkside or 2) back down from dust-ups with said scumbags. In this book, McCain defines what he believes to be true courage and boldly calls out much of what modern society incorrectly labels as courage. He presents historical and contemporary examples of truly courageous people, while also weaving in the story of his years as a Vietnam prisoner of war. After reading these humbling accounts of realcourage when the stakes were astronomically high, it’s easier for me to muster “courage” for day-to-day personal and professional challenges. This book had been sitting unread on my shelf for 13 years—I’m glad I finally picked it up. [Another perspective-shifting book involving a brave prisoner of war is Man’s Search For Meaning by Viktor Frankl.]

The Nature Fix: Why Nature Makes Us Happier, Healthier, and More Creative by Florence Williams – Few would argue with the fact that being outside is good for us, but it’s staggering how little time the average American spends outdoors. The Nature Fix is essentially 300 pages of fun-to-read evidence that explains exactly why nature is so beneficial to us, both mentally and physically. In an engaging and witty style, Williams builds her case from every angle, and in the end, leaves little doubt that we should all be spending much more time in nature. Personally, there’s a direct correlation between time spent in the outdoors and my moods, productivity, and overall sense of well-being—so I didn’t need convincing. But I thoroughly enjoyed understanding the specific scientific and evolutionary reasons for why nature is so important to me (and to all of us cooped-up modern-day homo sapiens).

Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck – So many friends mention Steinbeck as one of their all-time favorite authors, so I decided to finally dig into his work. After only a few dozen pages of this book, I was totally sold—and I expect to soon break my weird no-fiction rule to read more of his catalogue. Travels With Charley is a travelogue of Steinbeck’s around-the-country road trip with his poodle Charley, a narrative that melds his impressions of America’s landscapes, interactions with local characters, and his own personal musings on the state of the nation. Interestingly, many of his concerns about the United States (loss of regional character, industrialization, racism, etc.) echo modern-day worries that dominate the current national conversation. It makes me feel a little better to know that these worries may very well be common throughout all chapters of our country’s history—perhaps things aren’t as monumentally bad as they can seem today. Excellent book, and I expect it is the standard by which all travelogues are judged. [My favorite travelogue is another Pulitzer Prize winner—Barbarian Days: A Surfing Life by William Finnegan.]

Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression—and the Unexpected Solutions by Johann Hari – Ever since reading Sebastian Junger’s Tribe, I’ve been obsessed with the idea that lack of community and purpose is the driver of most modern-day societal unhappiness. Lost Connections digs into the crisis of rampant depression and anxiety in many developed nations, particularly the US and the UK. Citing a ton of scientific research, he explains that depression and anxiety are not caused primarily by chemical imbalances in the brain, but rather by societal problems such as disconnections from meaningful work, values, the natural world, and other people. More controversially, he makes the case that pharmaceutical-grade medications may not make a significant impact on curbing depression and anxiety—but they certainly help big pharma companies’ bottom lines to the tune of billions of dollars. If you suffer from depression, know someone who does, or just have an interest in the subject, I highly recommend this book. It’s a welcome new perspective and will make you think. [Have I mentioned that I like the book Tribe: On Homecoming and Belonging? Oh, I did? 157 times you say? Well, have you read it yet? No? Then buy it, and read it!]

The Painter by Peter Heller – My weird 6+ year abstention from fiction came to an abrupt end with this book, and I now realize how much I’ve been missing. Having recently spent time in Paonia (the town where the book is set), I could not get enough of Heller’s beautifully accurate descriptions of Colorado’s Western Slope—it was just as good or better than the best non-fiction I’ve read describing the region. His descriptions of northern New Mexico are equally compelling, as are the book’s fly fishing scenes. I found myself underlining line after line of the protagonist’s inner dialogue—who knew you could learn important life lessons from made-up people’s thoughts?! And to top it all off, the storyline was addictive, with more than enough fighting and action to keep my easily distracted brain fully engaged. I loved this book and look forward to reading more of Heller’s fiction… and fiction in general. [I’ve read most of Heller’s non-fiction work and especially enjoyed Kook: What Surfing Taught Me About Love, Life, and Catching the Perfect Wave.]

The Wise Heart: A Guide to the Universal Teachings of Buddhist Psychology by Jack Kornfield – I had listened to countless interviews with Jack Kornfield but never read any of his 15 books until now. I’m glad I finally dove into his work, because his writing is even more compelling than his talks. He’s a Dartmouth graduate, Peace Corps alum, former Buddhist monk, and PhD-level clinical psychologist, so it’s safe to say he knows a thing or two about how the mind works. I’ve been meditating for years but gleaned great value and fresh perspectives from his explanations of the most basic premises of mindfulness and compassion. The book also offered several advanced concepts that were completely new to me and will require more thinking (or not thinking) to fully appreciate. Kornfield has a unique ability to marry difficult-to-grasp spiritual lingo with hard-nosed clinical research, producing ideas that are equally interesting and useful. Whether you’re a mindfulness beginner or expert, this book is worth a read. [In a similar vein, I highly recommend Turning the Mind Into an Ally by Sakyong Mipham.]

Tiger Woods by Jeff Benedict and Armen Keyeyian – For the love of Pete! This book was intense. I inhaled it. And truth be told, I felt a little dirty afterward. It’s the most thorough biography to date of Tiger Woods written by two seasoned journalists with no apparent axes to grind, so I expected it to be a balanced examination and not sensational nonsense. But Tiger’s bizarro life seems to be a case of truth being more sensational than fiction. Two PG-rated highlights: 1) Tiger’s dad forced him to practice golf for two hours a day when he was two years old, and 2) Tiger was obsessed with Navy SEALs and trained to become one, which contributed to his career-derailing injuries. On one hand, I’m amazed and impressed with Tiger’s work ethic, toughness, and single-minded focus. On the other, I feel extremely sorry for him because of the immense pressure his parents placed on him and the isolation he endured as a kid. This new understanding of Tiger’s childhood makes me feel much more sympathy toward him and the dumpster fire that his life became back in 2010. His is a cautionary tale about the dangers of being wound too tightly, or, if you are a parent, of pushing your kids too hard without demonstrating unconditional love. [Another in-depth, engaging (but less dirty) biography that I really enjoyed was The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life by Alice Schroeder.]

How to Break Up with Your Phone: A Thirty Day Plan to Take Back Your Life by Catherine Price – The fact that a book like this was written says a lot about the problem that these dang “phones” are causing in our society. If I had it my all-or-nothing way, I’d just throw mine off a bridge, but personal and professional expectations make that approach impractical. This book presents the next-best approach, and Price uses scientific studies and a good sense of humor to fully describe just how harmful these devices can be for adults, children, and society. While I’ve had a gut feeling that unfettered phone-checking is not healthy, Price provides the scary proof I needed to make a more concerted effort to be mindful in my phone use. Frankly, I did not get much value from the 30-day plan in the second half of the book—the first half was enough of a wake-up call to spur me to be better about shunning my phone. This is a good read for all smartphone users or those who are considering allowing their kids to have one. [For a book that likens phones to heroin, check out The Craving Mind: From Cigarettes to Smartphones to Love—Why We Get Hooked and How We Can Break Bad Habits by Judson Brewer.]

All the Wild that Remains: Edward Abbey, Wallace Stegner, and the American West by David Gessner – I re-read this book in preparation for a conversation with the author, and it was even better the second time. When I first read it, I did not know much about Stegner or Abbey, nor did I appreciate how deeply their ideas have influenced thinking around the modern-day West. The book led me to explore many new authors and ideas that I would not have otherwise found—it was almost like discovering a map that led me on a multi-year journey. When re-reading it, I realized how much I have learned and that my understanding of the West is much more nuanced than it was when I first read the book. I also re-absorbed valuable information that my low-powered brain had forgotten since my first reading. If you love the West, I can’t recommend this book enough. But be warned, it will lead to many more book purchases (or library loans) and countless hours studying Stegner, Abbey, Berry, TR, and the like. [If you’re interested, here’s my enlightening and hilarious conversation with David Gessner.]

Blood and Thunder: The Epic Story of Kit Carson and the Conquest of the American Westby Hampton Sides – In an exciting turn of events, I was invited to the Aspen Institute to interview Hampton Sides on stage at a seminar about the history of the 19th-Century American West. Given that Hampton is one of my all-time favorite authors and that the Aspen Institute and its supporters do not suffer fools, I immediately reread Blood and Thunder, paying closer attention to it than to any book I read during my entire formal education. And the book was even better the second time around—Hampton has an unparalleled ability to make complex history understandable and exciting, thanks in part to his engaging, action-packed writing style. Blood and Thunder is one of my favorite books of all time, and everyone I know who’s read it has loved it. It’s one of those books that introduces you to countless characters and concepts that will warrant further reading and study—it’s a gateway drug into deep Western history. Can’t recommend it enough. [Want to learn about the West without the hassle of words and stuff? Then head over to my blog to watch or listen to my conversation with Hampton.]

Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly by Anthony Bourdain – Even though I’m pretty much the opposite of a “foodie,” I really admired Anthony Bourdain. He seemed like an authentic and kind man who was genuinely interested in learning about new people and places. I was so sad to learn of his tragic death, so I decided to finally read his book, which had been recommended to me by so many friends. First of all, he was a damn good writer. It’s hard for me to get my head around the fact that this was his first book—many people write their entire lives and never come close to his level of mastery. Secondly, I couldn’t put the book down. It opened my eyes to the world of the restaurant business, a world that I knew almost nothing about. It’s a very sketchy subculture filled with some wacky characters—people that I would never want to associate with—but they definitely make for good storytelling. If you’re easily offended or grossed out, I wouldn’t recommend this book. But if you’re up for a shocking, raunchy, and sometimes hilarious account of the underbelly of the high-end restaurant business, check it out. [The best book about food I’ve ever read is Michael Pollan’s Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals.]

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan – I’m biased (see above), but I believe that Pollan is one of the world’s most impactful, respected contemporary voices on agriculture and food production. In this book, he brings a great deal of credibility to a subject that has long been relegated to the world of hippies and stoners—psychedelic drugs. Pollan starts with the history of psychedelics, with an emphasis on psilocybin and LSD, and explains how and why these compounds became so despised by the US government, and in turn, by society. Then he describes how these compounds are slowly reemerging back into mainstream science, thanks to research suggesting that the drugs can help cure everything from severe anxiety to PTSD to treatment-resistant depression. More interestingly, he explains how psychedelics can make healthy people better, and he recounts his own first-hand experiences with the drugs and the benefits he experienced. Pollan is the perfect author to tackle such an unnecessarily controversial subject, and I’ll be interested to watch how society’s openness to psychedelics evolves in the coming years. [Here are two podcasts with Pollan in which he discusses the book: Tim Ferriss and Joe Rogan.]

Draft No. 4: On the Writing Process by John McPhee – In all of my conversations with writers, time and again John McPhee is referenced as one of the greatest non-fiction authors and teachers. So when I learned that he’d written a book strictly about his writing process, I ordered it immediately. It’s not a “fun” read. It reminds me more of an engineering textbook than a discussion around creating art… but I loved it. McPhee’s obsession with structure above all else is fascinating, and I was amazed to learn how much behind-the-scenes planning goes into his work before he pens a single word. If anything, this book underscores how damn hard it must be to write a (good) book, and it only reinforces my respect for the people who do it so well. [One of my favorite McPhee books is Encounters with the Archdruid: Narratives About a Conservationist and Three of His Natural Enemies, which he details in Draft No. 4.]

Rough Beauty: Forty Seasons of Mountain Living by Karen Auvinen – Speaking of authors who write amazingly well, Auvinen manages to blend a few of my favorite genres (memoir, the natural world) with my favorite landscape on earth (the American West). She also combines several themes that are close to my heart—self-reliance, community, our deep connection with dogs, mountain living, and toughness. The end result is an honest, raw, and beautifully written account of her life, with an emphasis on her time spent living alone high on the eastern flank of Colorado’s front range. She dives deep into the challenges of mountain living, including losing her cabin and all her possessions to a house fire. Her description of having to put her long-time canine companion to sleep destroyed me, but it was about as sweet of a description of the event as one could hope to read. Great book, and I plowed through it. I’m already looking forward to reading whatever she writes next. [Thanks to David Gessner for turning me on to this book. Read any/all of his books, you’ll be glad you did.]

On Desperate Ground: The Marines at The Reservoir, the Korean War’s Greatest Battle by Hampton Sides – As many of you know, I’m a huge fan of Hampton Sides’ work—his ability to distill complex history into a fun yet informative narrative is unparalleled. This brand new book is no exception. Embarrassingly, I knew next to nothing about the Korean War and absolutely nothing about the Battle of the Chosin Reservoir. True to form, Hampton tells a thrilling tale of one of the most brutal battles in modern US military history, all while deeply examining the characters who played roles in both the fighting and the planning. Douglas MacArthur, Mao Zedong, Harry Truman, Oliver Smith and many others are all examined, compared, and contrasted, which makes for a cautionary tale of what can happen when power is too concentrated and big egos are allowed to run wild. After plowing through this amazing story, I not only have a better appreciation for the history of this under-appreciated war, but also a new understanding of our modern-day conflict with North Korea. [A few weeks ago, Hampton and I discussed this book, as well as his writing routines in this fun and funny conversation.]

Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier – Lanier is a Silicon Valley veteran who played significant roles in companies and technologies that defined the early days of the internet. Thanks to his decades of insider experience, he’s uniquely qualified to understand the increasingly shady motivations of mega-corporations like Facebook. In this succinct and easy-to-read book, Lanier lays out a systematic and compelling case for why everyone should strongly consider stepping away from social media. He provides creepy details on exactly how these technologies work, the companies’ goals of creating social media addicts, and the research that demonstrates social media’s detrimental impacts on users’ psyches. He also explores just how damaging social media can be to society, from both political and economic standpoints. I have yet to delete my social media accounts, but this book has taken me a few steps closer to that inevitable end point. [Speaking of addiction to social media, I once again recommend The Craving Mind: From Cigarettes to Smartphones to Love—Why We Get Hooked and How We Can Break Bad Habits by Judson Brewer.]

Ultimate Glory: Frisbee, Obsession, and My Wild Youth by David Gessner – I am not at all into Ultimate Frisbee, but I absolutely loved this book. It’s a revealing and often-hilarious memoir built around Gessner’s all-consuming obsession with the little-known, little-respected sport of Ultimate Frisbee. From his college years at Harvard to his time struggling to become a published author to a bout with testicular cancer and a move out West, Ultimate was the central thread that connected all aspects of Gessner’s young adulthood. Given my experience running ultramarathons and climbing big, cold mountains, I fully appreciate Gessner’s funny and insightful examination of the pursuit of challenges that appear silly or contrived to the outside world, but can be the most meaningful experience of the participant’s life. I especially loved his exploration of the importance of nonconformity, as well as his discussion of the comradery that results from pursuing a shared goal with a team, and the ensuing ability to put personal differences aside in service of that goal. [For another great story of personal obsession with a niche, some-might-say-silly sport, read Barbarian Days: A Surfing Life by William Finnegan.]

The Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim by Pete McBride – Calling this work of art a simple “book” is a blatant understatement. It’s a 236-page tome that combines breathtaking photography, an engaging adventure narrative, and an examination of the conservation challenges facing one of our nation’s most iconic national parks. Pete and his buddy, author Kevin Fedarko, hiked the entire 800-mile length of the Grand Canyon, a feat of endurance and exploration that is as hardcore of an adventure as anyone could dream up—more people have stood on the surface of the moon than hiked the length of the Canyon. Not only did they complete the challenge, but Pete managed to assemble a completely unique catalogue of Grand Canyon imagery, offering a new perspective on a landscape I thought I knew fairly well. And if that’s not enough, Hampton Sides wrote the foreword and Fedarko wrote the introduction, making for a truly all-star collaboration. [Hate reading? Then listen to my conversation with Pete in which we discuss the book, the Colorado River, and his life of adventure.]

Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West by Sara Dant – I had the pleasure of spending a few days with Sara at the Aspen Institute this summer, and she is an amazing wealth of knowledge about the history of the American West, as well as modern-day challenges facing the region. Even more impressive, in both her writing and speech, she is able to convey hard-to-understand (and sometimes dull) topics such as water rights and land use legislation in exciting and digestible language. As the title suggests, Losing Eden lays out the history of the West, starting with human migration into North America 15-30,000 years ago and ending in present day and our scramble to find solutions to climate change and natural resource shortages… with ample coverage of Teddy Roosevelt, John Muir, and Aldo Leopold throughout. Being a guy who’s read a ton of history about this region, I found this book’s presentation completely new and unique. There is so much useful information and analysis gracefully jammed into this relatively short book. It’s also a valuable resource for further learning—each chapter ends with a “suggested reading” list, which will allow me to dig even deeper into the topics presented in this book. Thanks to Sara, my “need to read” list just quadrupled in size. [For everything you ever wanted to know about pre-human North America, read American Serengeti: The Last Big Animals of the Great Plains by Dan Flores.]

Modern Huntsman: Volume 2 – Although not technically a book, this 250+ page biannual publication definitely deserves a proud spot on this list. As more and more periodicals are dumbing down their content or abandoning print all together, my friend Tyler Sharp and his top-notch team of adventure-loving creatives have done just the opposite. Modern Huntsman explores complicated issues of conservation, hunting, and wild places in a nuanced, substantive manner rarely found anywhere, much less in print magazines. The articles are terrific, and it is an added bonus that they are presented in a beautifully bound magazine that I’ll display on my bookcase for years to come. Volume 2 is focused on issues surrounding public lands, a timely subject at the front of all outdoor adventurers’ minds, from birders to hunters, climbers to ATVers. Hunter or not, if you’re an advocate of public lands, I’m confident you’ll enjoy this issue of Modern Huntsman. [My other favorite beautifully bound, substantive periodical is The Surfer’s Journal.]

This Is Marketing: You Can’t Be Seen Until You Learn to See by Seth Godin – When it comes to doing creative, meaningful work, there is no one who has been more influential on my thinking than Seth Godin. I have read almost every book he’s written, and I can’t overstate the positive effects that his philosophies have had on my life and career.  This Is Marketing is his newest book, and it is much more than a simple “marketing” how-to manual. It’s about picking yourself, building (and then leading) a tribe, and doing work that matters to you and your tribe. It’s about finding your niche audience and avoiding the “race to the bottom” of trying to be all things to all people. If you’ve read some of Seth’s work, this book crystalizes his old ideas while presenting some fascinating new insights. If you’ve never read anything of Seth’s, this book is a good place to start. Highly recommend. [Anything by Seth is great, but I especially benefited from Linchpin, Tribes, Purple Cow, and What To Do When It’s Your Turn.]

Can’t Hurt Me: Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds by David Goggins – If you are easily offended by vulgar language, do not buy this book—Goggins, a former Navy SEAL, elite ultrarunnner, and endurance athlete, holds nothing back in this memoir/self-help hybrid. But if you’re looking for a life story that is simultaneously heartbreaking, inspirational, and sometimes hard to believe, then you’ll get a kick out of this book. Goggins grew up in a terribly abusive family and by his early twenties, his life was a mess—he weighed over 300 pounds, worked the midnight shift spraying for roaches in fast food joints, and was miserable. Then, surprisingly, he was offered an opportunity to try out for the Navy SEALS, with one catch—he had to lose over 100 pounds in less than three months to be accepted into the program. He lost the 100 pounds, which began an amazing journey of personal transformation that led to a long-term career in the SEALs, Army Ranger School, dozens of ultramarathons, a pull-up world record (4,025 in 17 hours), and more hardcore endurance madness. I listened to the audiobook– my first in years– which I highly recommend.  It’s read by his co-author, with breaks of podcast-like conversations between the co-author and Goggins. Very entertaining, but definitely rated R. [If you want a sample of Goggins and his language, check out this podcast with Joe Rogan.]

Life Work by Donald Hall – Best-selling author David Gessner references Life Work as a meaningful and significant influence on his career as a creative—so if it’s good enough for Gessner, it’s damn sure good enough for me. Less of a book and more of a meandering meditation, Life Work is a deep dive into Hall’s life as a professional writer, presented in a poetic style that is completely unique and engrossing, even for a non-poet like me.  The book extolls the value of hard work and that the “secret” to a happy life is embracing the work itself—the process of working—not the finished poem, completed book, or any other goal. He hammers this point home slowly, winding his way through his family’s history, his cancer diagnosis, and his daily rituals. But somehow he never crosses over into being too artsy or smug—to me, Hall comes off as a funny, insightful, practical, and maybe curmudgeonly fellow.  My favorite quote from the book is when he asks sculptor Henry Moore for his secret to life. Moore’s response: “The secret of life is to have a task, something you devote your entire life to, something you bring everything to, every minute of the day for your whole life. And the most important thing is–it must be something you cannot possibly do!” [Again, my favorite book on the creative process is The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield.]

The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right by Atul Gawande – I’m not sure how I came across this book, but I’m so glad I did.  Gawande, a renowned surgeon, author, and professor, describes the mind-blowing complexity of today’s healthcare system, and how even routine medical procedures can be fraught with risk. Infections, mismanagement of medication, and blatant mistakes such as performing the wrong surgery on patients are much more common than they should be.  And as our knowledge of medicine increases, so do the variables associated with any diagnosis, compounding the problems. It will scare you (especially if you have any upcoming surgeries), but Gawande offers a potential solution. He convincingly argues that the key to solving these complex problems is the simplest of tools: an old-fashioned checklist. Gawande finds that following simple, well-crafted checklists drastically reduce mistakes and mishaps not only in the medical world, but in business, aviation, construction, and more.  Apparently Gawande’s ideas have prompted the World Health Organization to more widely adopt the use of simple checklists. This book is a good reminder to always seek the simplest solution, no matter how complex the problem.

Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI by David Grann – In the last few months, three trusted friends told me I needed to read this book, so I picked it up at one of my favorite independent bookstores—BookPeople in Austin, Texas. Written by veteran journalist and master wordsmith Grann, the book is part mystery and part history lesson, but written in a fast-paced and easy-to-read manner that is reminiscent of one of my other favorite narrative historians, Hampton Sides. As the subtitle indicates, the book covers a series of almost-hard-to-believe murders and poisonings on the Osage Indian Reservation—home of the Osage Tribe who struck it mega rich during the oil boom of the early 20th century. What follows the murders is mass paranoia on the reservation, a series of ineffective vigilante investigations, and the eventual takeover of the case by the FBI, led by a young, nutty-ass J. Edgar Hoover.  Whether you’re into history, thrillers, or straight-up journalism, you’ll love this book. Read it! I’m very excited to check out more of Grann’s work. [For more of the best narrative history, check out Hampton Sides’ Hellhound on His Trail: The Electrifying Account of the Largest Manhunt in American History.]

Make Your Bed: Little Things That Can Change Your Life… and Maybe the World by Admiral William H. McRaven – Another book by a Navy SEAL, but much more refined and “for the masses” than Goggins’. It’s a short and easy-to-read book based around the Admiral’s 2014 commencement address at the University of Texas that went viral throughout the world-wide-internets. The book is full of time-honored, easy-to-understand truisms, that, if followed, would surely improve anyone’s life. While I didn’t find any of his lessons or suggestions groundbreaking or new, I did find great value in his succinct presentation. There’s no fluff here, and it’s the type of book that you can pick up, flip through for a few minutes here and there, and still glean some value. Self-help books are a dime a dozen, and many times the authors’ qualifications are dubious at best. But this Admiral’s stellar career speaks for itself, so I’m happy to learn even a few of his strategies for living a meaningful, successful life. [Looking for even more Navy SEAL books?  Check out Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin.]





 

Allison Ryan – Connecting People With Place

Allison Ryan

Allison Ryan is a West Texas native and co-founder of Explore Ranches, a company that connects its customers with spectacular private ranches throughout Texas and Colorado—some have described it as “AirBnB for ranches.” For those seeking a truly unique outdoor experience, Explore Ranches offers access to private land that has rarely, if ever, been visited by the public. And for the ranch owner, Explore Ranches creates an additional revenue stream to support the costs of land ownership, encourage conservation, and reduce the likelihood of subdividing large ranches due to financial strain. Given the lack of public land in Texas and the financial realities of owning large ranches, Explore Ranches offers a welcome solution for both landowners and adventure-loving non-landowners.

Allison grew up in El Paso, Texas, in a conservation-minded family that valued time in the outdoors and understood the importance of land stewardship.  Between her childhood experiences at summer camp in West Texas, time spent on her family’s ranch, and a love of fitness and wellness, Allison has a deep understanding of the many benefits of recreating in open spaces. But Allison is also familiar with the financial commitments of land ownership, and she understands first hand the need to identify new revenue streams in order to make ranch ownership financially viable. In fact, her family’s ranch, known as the Withers, is available on Explore Ranches– it serves as an excellent case study that demonstrates the need that Explore Ranches fulfills for landowners.  

If you listened to my recent interview with Allison’s co-founder Jay Kleberg, you may remember that we briefly discussed Explore Ranches. But in this conversation with Allison, we dig into the nitty-gritty details of the business—how the idea came about, descriptions of some of the available properties, and the challenges and opportunities arising from the small amount of private land in Texas. We discuss how Explore Ranches can be a useful tool for landowners, and why her family’s ranch was a prime candidate to partner with Explore Ranches.  We talk about her childhood in West Texas, conservation lessons learned from her parents and grandparents, and some of her formative experiences in the outdoors. Allison also dives into her other career in the fitness world, and I veer the conversation completely off track by asking way too many questions about diet, exercise, and fasting—if you like any of my interviews with professional athletes, you’ll probably enjoy that part. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, films, and her most powerful outdoor experience.

Take a moment to visit Explore Ranches—there are links in the episode notes.  And please enjoy this fun conversation with Allison Ryan.


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

4:30- How Allison describes her work
5:50 – Overview of Explore Ranches
7:25 – Origin of the Explore Ranches idea
11:30 – Public vs private land in Texas
14:50 – Allison’s family ranch
19:30 – History of land stewardship in Allison’s family
20:45 – Childhood experiences in the outdoors
21:45 – Other ranches in the Explore Ranches portfolio
24:30 – Working with landowners
27:15 – Explore Ranches as a landowner tool
28:30 – Competitors?
30:00 – Criteria for ranches
31:30 – Biggest surprises in starting the business
33:50 – Future plans for Explore Ranches
36:00 – Growing up in El Paso
37:45 – School and early career
40:00 – Personal training
41:00 – Diet versus exercise
46:30 – Best single exercise
47:30 – Fasting
50:15 – Thoughts on social media
54:30 – Favorite books
57:15 – Favorite films
58:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:00:30 – Favorite location in the West
1:01:00 – Request of the listeners
1:02:45 – Connect with Allison
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A Few of My (Current) Favorite Podcasts

A Few of My (Current) Favorite Podcasts


For a guy who has his own podcast about the American West, I rarely listen to any western or outdoor-related podcasts. I’m endlessly fascinated by interesting people, so almost all of my podcasts of choice are in-depth interviews. The specifics of the interviewees’ vocations or avocations rarely matter to me—as long as they are passionate about their pursuits and offer some valuable insights, I could listen to interviews all day.

Below, in no particular order, are a few of my current favorites, followed by a specific episode from each that I especially enjoyed. These are only the podcasts that I listen to regularly, not including podcast series that I enjoyed (e.g. Bundyville and S-Town). And none of these podcasts have my undivided attention—just like you, I pick and choose episodes.


The Tim Ferriss Show – Long-form interviews with “world-class performers.” I especially love the guests’ book recommendations, as well as the extensive show notes that link to all the resources that were discussed. [A.J. Jacobs: Self-Experimenter Extraordinaire]

The Axe Files – Despite my disdain for today’s politics, I thoroughly enjoy listening to David Axelrod chat with political minds from both sides of the aisle. No matter how far apart he and his guests may be ideologically, they always have substantive, civil, and engaging conversations. [Ep. 288 – Barack Obama]

Jocko Podcast – Jocko Willink is a former Navy SEAL and seems to be to be one of the most hardcore men on the planet. He and his guest are full of useful wisdom that I’ve found to be very beneficial in my day-to-day life.  [135: Supreme Excellence with Discomfort and Extreme Ownerhip. With Dave Berke.]

Meateater – This is the only outdoor-related podcast that I regularly listen to, and it is great. Steven Rinella is a wealth of knowledge on all things conservation, wildlife, public lands, hunting, and more. Plus he’s hysterical and surrounds himself with a top-notch crew. [Ep. 069: Dr. Dan Flores]

The Forward – Lance Armstrong (yes, that Lance Armstrong) has low-key conversations with a wide variety of interesting people from business, sports, music, comedy, and more. [Avett Brothers]

The Joe Rogan Experience – Joe seems to be one of the most authentic guys around and is amazingly well-versed in a huge array of subject matters. Other than the MMA-focused episodes, I find almost all of his conversations entertaining and funny. [#1204 – Steven Rinella]

Waking Up – Sam Harris is one of my favorite authors and thinkers, and his ability to speak in depth on extremely complex and sometimes-controversial issues is second to none. Plus he is an expert in meditation and mindfulness, which is very useful to me. [#140 – Burning Down the Fourth Estate]

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend – This podcast is brand new, but I love it. I was laughing so hard while washing the dishes the other night that my three-year old daughter came over to inquire about what the hell was going on. [Will Ferrell]

The Rich Roll Podcast – Rich is a wellness guru and endurance athlete, and he also seems to be just a super-nice dude. [Dan Harris On The Power Of Meditation For the Fidgety Skeptic]

Criminal – This is the only non-interview, storytelling podcast that I regularly listen to, and it is so damn good. Every time. [Episode 100: Ten Thousand Feet in the Air]

The Moment – Brian Koppelman chats with writers, filmmakers, chefs, actors, and the occasional business leader or four-star general. Lots of discussion about the creative process, breaking through creative blocks, and creating work that is authentic. [General Stanley McChrystal]

Here’s the Thing – Alec Baldwin is hilarious, curious and asks rapid-fire questions, so no matter who the guest is, it’s a great listen. [Questlove Can’t Take a Compliment]

How I Built This – I love biographies and stories of entrepreneurship, and this podcast combines both in a highly produced, yet fully engaging format. [FUBU: Daymond John]

Revisionist History – I will read or listen to anything Malcom Gladwell produces.  [Free Brian Williams]

Fresh Air – Of course. Terry Gross is the master. [Free Climbing Yosemite’s “Dawn Wall”]


And if none of these catch your attention, you should try this one about innovative people in the West. If you ignore the dumbass host with the weird accent, the guests are pretty amazing.

Jay Kleberg – True Dedication to Conservation, Adventure & Texas

Jay Kleberg (photo credit: Ben Masters)

Jay Kleberg is a conservationist and Associate Director of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Foundation.  He’s also the co-founder of Explore Ranches, a new company that connects outdoor enthusiasts to some of the most iconic private ranches in Texas and beyond. Jay has built his career and life around a deep respect for land and an inborn sense of responsibility to protect these landscapes, as well as the wildlife and heritage they support. As a sixth-generation Texan landowner, responsible land stewardship is in Jay’s blood, and as you’ll hear in our conversation, he’s laser-focused on leaving Texas an even better place than he found it.

Growing up on his family’s large-scale South Texas working ranch, Jay has been closely connected to the land for as long as he can remember. After high school and college on the east coast, Jay headed to Brazil for several years, where he worked with renowned conservationist John Cain Carter to protect the region’s threatened landscapes. It was in Brazil that Jay began to hone his personal conservation philosophy and had a number of crazy adventures along the way. After working a stint in for-profit real estate and earning his MBA, Jay decided to focus all of his professional energy on conservation in his home state.

Jay and I have been friends for over 25 years, so it was a real treat to connect with him on the podcast to discuss our shared passions for land conservation and adventure… we normally just re-tell hilarious stories from high school! As usual, we cover a lot– we discuss his upbringing on his family ranch and lessons learned from both his family and the larger ranch community. We talk about his time in Brazil, conservation challenges in South America, and one close call in a small airplane that could’ve been the end of Jay. We discuss Explore Ranches, his work with Texas Parks and Wildlife Foundation, his role in the upcoming film “The River and the Wall,” and other adventures throughout the West.  We also discuss the importance of humility and honesty, benefits of having a for-profit mentality in the nonprofit world, favorite books, films, and more.

Be sure to check out the episode notes for a full list of topics discussed and links to everything… there’s a ton of great information here. I know you’ll enjoy this fun conversation with Jay Kleberg.

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:30 – How Jay describes his work
5:15 – Explore Ranches explained
8:45 – Importance of access to the outdoors
11:15 – More about Explore Ranches and the team
17:00 – Lessons learned from growing up on a ranch
21:30 – Conservation influences in Brazil
26:00 – Culture shock and lawlessness in Brazil
30:30 – An almost-airplane crash in the Amazon
37:45 – Moving to El Paso, TX
44:00 – Decision to pursue his MBA
47:30 – Business skills for land conservation
49:00 – Beginning work with the TX Parks and Wildlife Foundation
51:30 – Biggest conservation challenge facing Texas
56:40 – Experience at Woodberry Forest School
1:02:30 – River and the Wall teaser
1:07:10 – The source Jay’s humility
1:11:30 – Importance of “getting after it”
1:14:00 – Favorite books
1:15:45 – Favorite films
1:17:45 – Surprising hobbies (i.e. wigs)
1:19:40 – Favorite location in the West
1:21:30 – Request of the listeners

1:24:00 – Connect with Jay online

 
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Daniel Anderson – Finding Common Ground

Daniel Anderson

Daniel Anderson is a Montana native and founder of The Common Ground Project, a nature-based retreat, hiking, and camping experience in which small groups of people from around the world share adventure, education, and conversation. Located on Daniel’s family ranch in the heart of Montana’s renowned Tom Miner Basin, The Common Ground Project seeks to strengthen connections between people, wildlife, and the stunning landscapes of the American West. As you’ll hear, Daniel and his family’s multi-generational commitment to community and holistic land stewardship make them the perfect people to pass along the wisdom they’ve gained from the land and from life in the Rockies.

To call Daniel’s personal story “fascinating” would be quite an understatement. Born in Missoula and raised in the Tom Miner Basin, Daniel attended boarding school on the east coast and graduated from college with a degree in engineering.  But soon after beginning his professional career in California, doctors discovered two fist-sized, cancerous tumors in his body, one attached to his kidney and the other to his aorta. The cancer diagnosis, subsequent treatment, and return to health sharpened Daniel’s focus on the importance of helping and connecting with others, and also led him on a ten-year journey of rigorous personal spiritual work. The cumulative result of all of these intense life experiences was the creation of The Common Ground Project.

So, as you’ve probably gathered, Daniel is an interesting dude. We only covered a fraction of what I’d hoped to discuss, but I know you’ll enjoy the conversation. We discussed The Common Ground Project, the genesis of the idea, and the moment he decided to make the plan a reality. We also talked about lessons learned from his cancer experience and wisdom gleaned from his tight-knit family, including his grandfather who purchased their ranch in the 1950s after being a POW during World War II.  We chatted about his family’s long-standing commitment to collaborative land stewardship in the Tom Miner Basin, and the challenges and opportunities of land ownership in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. Finally, we discussed influential books, his most powerful outdoor experience, and the insights Daniel has gained from a decade of rigorous spiritual inquiry… with mentors that even include a Peruvian shaman.

I encourage you to check out The Common Ground Project online and if the mission speaks to you, consider donating to their Indiegogo campaign.  Links to everything are in the episode notes. Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoy this conversation with Daniel Anderson.

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:15 – How Daniel describes his work
4:50 – Tom Miner Basin explained
8:30 – Challenges and opportunities of land ownership in Tom Miner Basin
11:40 – Keys to successful landowner collaboration
14:05 – Complexity of collaborative landownership
19:35 – Daniel’s family history
23:00 – Boarding school
27:00 – The Common Ground Project explained
30:00 – Moment that Daniel decided to make TCGP a reality
34:30 – Idea of long term land stewardship
38:30 – Books and resources about land stewardship
42:00 – Leadership of TCGP
48:00 – Crowdfunding for TCGP
51:30 – Daniel’s cancer experience
57:00 – How cancer changed Daniel’s perspective
1:04:40 – Mentors
1:08:00 – Spiritual journey
1:12:00 – Favorite books about the West
1:13:00 – Favorite films
1:15:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:21:30 – Request of the listeners
1:26:30 – Connect with Daniel and TCGP online
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Alexis Bonogofsky – Taking a Stand for the West

Alexis Bonogofsky

Alexis Bonogofsky is a rancher, conservationist, and community organizer who is fiercely committed to protecting the landscapes and communities of eastern Montana.  While much of Alexis’s career has been devoted to environmental issues in the West, the 2011 Exxon oil spill in the Yellowstone River brought the fight to her doorstep—her family’s pastures were inundated with oil, threatening not only the local ecosystem, but the livelihoods of her family and community. Since that spill and the ensuing battle with Exxon, Alexis has become an outspoken advocate for ranchers, farmers, and rural Montana stakeholders. Through her writing, photography, and old-fashioned relationship-building, Alexis has become an invaluable force in bringing people together even in today’s divisive political climate.

Alexis grew up in eastern Montana as part of a tight-knit, hardworking, blue-collar family. Her parents engrained in her a rock-solid work ethic, a deep sense of responsibility, and a refusal to back down from bullies– characteristics that have served her well in her life and career.  Alexis studied international development in undergrad and grad school, but decided that rather than taking her expertise to another country, she could apply those invaluable skills to her home of eastern Montana. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Alexis is humble and open-minded, but completely unwavering when it comes to standing up against individuals or companies that seek to take advantage of the less powerful.

I can’t overstate how much I enjoyed this conversation. Alexis is a shining example of the impact that one person can have if she’s willing to work hard, be humble, play the long game, and have the bravery to put herself out there. We cover a lot, including the Exxon oil spill and how it affected her life, work, and sense of responsibility. We talk about her time working with Native Americans as part of the Tribal Lands Partnership, and some of the wisdom gained from that job.  She discusses the lessons learned from her parents and shares some thoughts on her father’s tragic death several years ago. We also delve into her writing process, hunting, public lands, goats, llamas, and our mutual contempt for bullies. And Alexis also offers a ton of book recommendations that have never been mentioned on the podcast before.

This is a seriously inspiring episode, so I’m very excited for you to listen.  Be sure to check out Alexis’s blog East of Billings and follow her on social media.  I have links to everything in the episode notes below. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Alexis Bonogofsky


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

4:10 – How Alexis describes her work
5:25 – Eastern Montana described
7:30 – Exxon oil spill on Alexis’s farm
11:00 – Dealing with Exxon
17:00 – The origins of Alexis’s leadership abilities
20:35 – Role models
23:20 – Misunderstandings around “environmentalists”
26:10 – Education and early work
28:40 – Lessons learned from working with Native American tribes
31:00 – Technique for finding common ground among opposing groups
34:30 – Political aspirations?
35:15 – Resources that have shaped Alexis’s thoughts on organizing
38:35 – Writing and photography
42:00 – Bravery required for writing
43:30 – Alexis’s father’s tragic death
46:45 – Distaste for bullies
49:30 – Public Lands
52:45 – Artemis Sportswomen
55:00 – Goats!
58:10 – Favorite books
1:00:35 – Favorite films
1:01:30 – Other activities
1:02:35 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:04:30 – Favorite location in the West
1:05:00 – Best advice
1:06:30 – Request of listeners
1:07:40 – Connect with Alexis
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Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West

Dr. Sara Dant

Sara Dant is a historian, professor, and chair of the history department at Weber State University. She’s also the author of one of my new favorite books: Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West. Sara’s work touches many of the topics we discuss regularly on this podcast, including conservation, water, public lands, building consensus around divisive issues, historical figures of the West, and much more. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Sara has a unique ability to explain complex and potentially dry topics regarding the American West in an engaging and easy-to-understand manner.

Whether you’re like me and have read dozens of books on the history of the West or simply have a general interest the subject, I think Losing Eden should be mandatory reading. It lays out the history of the region, starting with human migration into North America 15-30,000 years ago and ends in the present-day West with our scramble to find solutions to natural resource shortages and climate change. For me, the book connected many different time periods and concepts into one cohesive narrative, while simultaneously introducing me to new ideas and people, all in just under 200 pages.

Sara and I had a great conversation covering key concepts from her book, as well as her life as a historian, teacher, and life-long Westerner. We chat about the concept of the “tragedy of the commons,” conservation versus preservation, and the myth that the West was a sort of Garden of Eden prior to European settlement. We also dig into some of the key historical figures of the West, including Brigham Young, John Wesley Powell, Theodore Roosevelt, and John Muir. Most of you know that I’m weirdly obsessed with Teddy Roosevelt—I’ve got a life-sized cardboard cut-out of him in my office, for Pete’s sake!—so Sara gently offers a more “balanced” examination of his conservation legacy. We also discuss Sara’s upbringing in Arizona, love of trail running, favorite books, and much more. Be sure to visit the episode notes for links to everything we discuss, because there’s a lot.

And since many of you are members of the Mountain & Prairie Book Club, I wanted to let you know that Losing Eden will be the November/December selection. Sara has graciously offered to answer questions about the book or even participate in some sort of online discussion, so I’ll be sorting out those details in the coming weeks.  In the meantime, start reading the book and visit the book club webpage for more information as it becomes available.

For now, please enjoy this fun and educational conversation with Sara Dant.

Photos courtesy of Sara Dant


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:55 – How Sara describes her work
4:45 – Where Sara grew up
6:15 – Background on the book
7:30 – The myth of the West as “Eden”
9:40 – The tragedy of the commons explained
13:10 – The Morman’s settlement of the West
17:00 – John Wesley Powell explained
22:00 – Ambition and the settlement of the West
23:00 – The significance of the 1890s
27:55 – Conservation versus preservation
34:00 – A more balanced view of Theodore Roosevelt
40:00 – Growing up in Arizona
41:25 – Early influences
44:15 – The book that most influenced Sara’s career
46:20 – Pursuing her Phd and the choice to teach
49:00 – Sara’s optimism about current college students
52:45 – Trail running
54:25 – Working at Grand Teton and Denali National Parks
56:30 – Public lands
1:01:30 – Favorite books
1:03:00 – Favorite films
1:05:00 – Hobbies
1:05:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:07:25 – Favorite location in the West
1:08:00 – Best thing Sara ever learned
1:09:00 – Sara’s words of wisdom
1:10:15 – Connect with Sara online
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Book Club Selection: “Losing Eden” by Sara Dant

November-December Book Club Selection: “Losing Eden” by Sara Dant

This summer, I had the pleasure of meeting historian Sara Dant at an American West conference at the Aspen Institute. During her presentations, I was struck by her remarkable ability to present complex and sometimes dry topics regarding the American West in an engaging and easy-to-understand manner.  (You can watch two of her presentations here and here.) It’s clear that Sara is a gifted professor who has perfected her ability to make history equally fun and educational.

As soon as I returned home, I ordered her book Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West. Once I started reading, I couldn’t put it down.  In just under 200 pages, Sara lays out the history of the West, starting with human migration into North America 15-30,000 years ago and ending with our present day scramble to find solutions to natural resource shortages and climate change. There’s also ample coverage of historical figures including Teddy Roosevelt, John Muir, Aldo Leopold, Frank Church, and more. For me, the book connected many different familiar time periods and concepts into one cohesive narrative, while simultaneously introducing me to new ideas and people, all while keeping me thoroughly entertained.

If you love the podcast, you’ll love this book, as it covers so many of the topics we regularly discuss, including conservation, water, public lands, building consensus around divisive issues, historical figures of the West, and much more.  So as you’ve probably gathered by now, the November-December Book Club Selection is:

Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West by Sara Dant

Sara has graciously offered to answer questions about the book or even participate in some sort of online discussion, so we’ll be sorting out those details in the coming weeks.  In the meantime, listen to my conversation with Sara, start reading the book, and check back to this page or the Goodreads group for more information as it becomes available.


If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of Losing Eden—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the adventure.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!
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Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story

Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story

Anyone who has listened to this podcast surely knows of best-selling author and narrative historian Hampton Sides. I reference his books often and was lucky enough to interview him in August at the Aspen Institute, which I released as a podcast episode. In that conversation, we discussed the history of the 19th-Century American West, and many of you kindly reached out to let me know how much you enjoyed learning from Hampton. So I was thrilled—and I think you will be too—when Hampton generously stopped through Colorado Springs last week in the midst of a busy tour for his amazing new book, On Desperate Ground: The Marines at the Reservoir, the Korean War’s Greatest Battle.

As you’d expect, we had a fun conversation that expanded upon our first interview—we dig into his childhood in Memphis, Tennessee, and discuss his life-long desire to be a writer. We talk about his early years in journalism, and how his experiences writing and editing have contributed to his success as an author. We also chat about his years at “Outside”magazine and some of the realities of being a freelance journalist and author. Additionally, he shares some of the ins and outs of his writing process, including the struggle of cranking out a first draft, a process he describes as spending time in the “pain cave.” We also discuss the Grand Canyon, Wallace Stegner’s writing, and much more.

Finally, we spend some time talking about On Desperate Ground, which I can’t recommend enough. I knew next to nothing about the Korean War, but as usual, Hampton’s writing was simultaneously educational and entertaining, allowing me to learn a lot while thoroughly enjoying the process. You don’t have to be a military history buff to enjoy this book—his exploration of characters’ personalities, motivations, and egos makes for an engaging story that will appeal to anyone who is fascinated by interesting people. And being a weird guy who loves climbing big, absurdly cold mountains, I especially enjoyed our discussion of North Korea’s brutal winters and how sub-zero temperatures were one of the deadliest forces in this battle.

Thanks again to Hampton for making time to meet up during such a busy book tour. Be sure to check the episode notes for links to all the authors and books we discuss, as we cover a lot.  This was a fun conversation, and I know you’ll enjoy it.

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Topics Discussed:

3:20 – How Hampton describes his work
7:15 – Hampton’s early years
11:00 – College and history training
13:40 – Importance of discipline in writing
17:00 – The “Pain Cave”
19:00 – Publising his first book
20:20 – First job out of college
22:00 – Working at Outside
24:45 – Learning the art of structure
28:30 – Importance of characters in history
31:40 – General MacArthur
36:00 – The cold as a character in the book
40:45 – US Marines’ retreat from the reservoir
41:50 – Chairman Mao
42:40 – Lessons learned from veterans
47:40 – Favorite books
48:45 – Favorite documentaries
49:40 – Most powerful experience in the outdoors
51:40 – Best advice ever received
52:45 – Connect with Hampton online
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Erik Petersen – Stories of Public Lands & the People Who Love Them

Erik Petersen (left), alongside Montana local Bryan Wells

Erik Petersen is a Montana-based photographer, filmmaker, and photojournalist whose work showcases the American West and the many ways we enjoy our wide open spaces. His most recent film, A Few Steps Further, explores the commonalities between backcountry hunting and mountain endurance sports, while highlighting the spectacular wild landscapes that make these activities possible. Historically, hunters and adventure sports enthusiasts have not always seen eye to eye, but through his film, Erik demonstrates that the two groups have much more in common than not, most notably a love for public lands, pushing one’s physical limits, and hardcore adventure.

Growing up in Minnesota, Erik was an avid hunter and outdoorsman– but with a lifelong love for Montana, he moved West the day that he graduated from college. He worked for over ten years as a newspaper photographer throughout Montana, honing his craft and learning to produce high-quality work under the pressure and deadlines of traditional print media. Eventually Erik transitioned into freelance photography, taking some initial assignments that included trips to war-torn Afghanistan and the surrounding region. Today, much of his work centers around the landscapes of the American West, and his photographs and films highlight many of the values that we celebrate time and again on this podcast—conservation, public lands, adventure sports, and interesting people who love the West.

Erik and I caught up on the day that A Few Steps Further was released to the public, so I’ve embedded it in the episode notes—be sure to check it out, you’ll love it. In addition to that film, we talk about some of his other creative work, including a film he’s currently making that explores the threat of a goldmine near Yellowstone National Park and the promising bipartisan coalition that has emerged to fight the threat. We also cover the lessons he learned from his years in photojournalism, and how he manages to balance his roles as a husband and father of two boys while running his own creative business and pursuing adventure sports such as hunting and ultra running. We also discuss his creative mentors and heroes and his favorite books and films, plus he gives some good advice on how to take better landscape photos.

Visit the episode notes for links to everything, and enjoy this fun conversation with Erik Petersen.

A Few Steps Further from Erik Petersen on Vimeo.

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:35 – How Erik describes his work
4:10 – A Few Steps Further explained
6:05 – Erik’s background ultra running
7:35 – Growing up in Minnesota
8:50 – Backstory of Erik’s ultra running friend in the film
11:50 – What attracts Erik to adventure and endurance sports
14:00 – Early years
16:00 – Moving to Montana
18:15 – Experience from working at a newspaper
22:20 – Transition to freelance
25:30 – Time in Afganistan and scary stories
29:10 – Public lands
33:55- Mentors and heroes
36:15 – Nuts and bolts of filmmaking
37:50 – Patagonia media grant & new film
43:30 – How he choses creative projects
48:05 – How to take better landscape photos
51:00 – Favorite books and authors
53:00 – Favorite films
54:00 – Surprising activities
55:40 – Most powerful outdoor experience
57:50 – Best advice ever received
59:15 – Request of the listeners
1:00:05 – Follow Erik online
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Bonus (or is it a penalty?) Episode – Ed in the Hot Seat

Normally on the podcast, I introduce you to innovative individuals who are shaping the future of the American West—ranchers, writers, athletes, authors, adventurers, conservationists, entrepreneurs… pretty much anyone who’s interesting and doing important work here in the West.

But this episode is a little different. This time the tables are turned, and I’m in the hot seat, being interviewed on the local Colorado Springs podcast, The Little London Show.

A few months back, Little London Show hosts Jeff and Darcie asked me to join them to chat about my new role as Conservation Director at Palmer Land Trust, my family’s move from Boulder to Colorado Springs, and some of the lessons I’ve learned from hosting the Mountain & Prairie Podcast. I thought it was a fun conversation, and we discussed a variety of interesting topics, including public lands, Theodore Roosevelt (of course), favorite books, my journey from selling ranches to full-time conservation, and much more.

And just to be clear, I don’t think I’m an Innovator of the American West, nor do I enjoy listening to my own voice, but we covered some topics that I thought might be of interest to you guys. As usual, there are links to everything we discuss in the episode notes, so see below to access all of those resources. And if you have a few moments, let me know if you enjoy this format of me answering a few questions. If you do, then every so often I’ll plan on releasing episodes from other podcasts where I am the interviewee or possibly answering questions from you guys, if that would be of interest.

But no matter what, we’ll be back to the normal interviews with real innovators next week, so be on the lookout for that. Again, thanks for your support and thank you for listening.


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:30 – Introduction
3:20 – Mountain & Prairie Podcast explained
6:00 – Discussion of podcast guests
9:55 – TR and Public Lands
13:40 – Lessons learned from the podcast
16:50 – How I ended up in the West
19:45 – Transition to Colorado Springs from Boulder
22:30 – New job with Palmer
24:20 – Land conservation discussion
30:40 – Rugged individualism
33:10 – Rawness of the West
35:40 – “Your Stoke Won’t Save Us” article
40:50 – Uselessness of ultra running
42:10 – Three best books on the West
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Juanita Vero – A Deep Love of Place

Juanita Vero

[Fall 2020 Update: To listen to Juanita’s most recent Mountain & Prairie podcast appearance in which she discusses her campaign for Missoula County Commissioner, please visit this webpage. Thanks!]

Juanita Vero is a partner at the E Bar L Ranch, a family-owned dude ranch located on the Blackfoot River, about an hour east of Missoula, Montana. The ranch was purchased and founded by Juanita’s great-grandfather and has served as a Rocky Mountain retreat for families from around the world for almost 100 years. If you’ve never visited but would like to learn more about the ranch, this conversation with Juanita is one of your only options—they don’t have a website, nor do they advertise. They serve the same clients year after year, clients who value an authentic, rustic, and tight-knit dude-ranching experience that is closely connected to the land.

But the term “dude ranch” doesn’t really do the E Bar L justice. Juanita’s family has participated in some cutting-edge conservation projects, protecting their ranch with a unique conservation easement that also allows for responsible timber management. Becoming a member of the ranch’s summer staff is also an amazing experience, and it’s not uncommon for staff members to develop such a deep love of the land that they go on to careers in ranching or conservation. Juanita and her family lead by example with their business management and land stewardship practices, which seem to rub off on everyone who visits or works at the ranch.

Juanita and I connected just as she was wrapping up another successful summer season on the ranch. We had a fun conversation that covered everything from her great-grandfather’s purchase of the ranch in the early 1900s all the way up to its current day operations. We talk in detail about Juanita’s commitment to community service, and we dig into some of her work with groups such as Trout Unlimited, Montana Conservation Voters, and the Blackfoot Challenge.  We also discuss her youth on the ranch, and what she learned from leaving Montana in her teens to attend an east coast boarding school. We talk about toughness, the interesting story of how her parents met, and her blind date with her now husband, which happened to be a three-day elk hunt. And as usual, we cover favorite books, films, places in the West, and more.

This was a great conversation, so I know you’ll enjoy it. Thanks again for listening.

Header photo by Kirstie Lambert, other by Juanita Vero


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

4:10 – How Juanita describes her work
5:20 – Family history of the ranch
8:00 – Motivations for her great-grandfather to move West
12:15 -Who are the ranch guests?
15:30 – Funny guest stories from the ranch
18:10 – Growing up on the ranch
21:00 – Description of the ranch
22:10 – Conservation projects with the Nature Conservancy
31:10 – Juanita’s parents
35:15 – Importance of toughness
41:50 – Boarding school on the east coast
46:20 – Passion for community service and conservation
55:10 – Need for conservation to counterbalance development
1:00:15 – Importance of rural land use
1:02:30 – Favorite books
1:05:00 – 3-day blind date with her now-husband
1:06:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:09:50 – Favorite locations in the West
1:11:40 – Best advice ever received
1:13:30 – Requests of the listeners
 
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When I started the podcast, I had no expectations that any significant number of people would ever tune in. Fast forward to today, there are thousands of people like you who not only listen, but tell their friends, share on social media, leave amazing iTunes reviews, and reach out to me directly with kind words. I can’t thank you enough for the encouragement—it’s been unbelievably fulfilling and fun to connect with so many like-minded folks from around the world who love the American West.

Much to my surprise, people have begun to ask how they can support the podcast financially. I’ve set up two options: Patreon (a monthly subscription) and PayPal (a one-time payment). If the podcast brings you as much enjoyment and value as say, a latte or burrito, I’d greatly appreciate your financial support. Click over to Patreon to see the Theodore Roosevelt-themed giving tiers and associated supporter-only benefits. All supporters will have their names listed proudly on the Wall of Badasses below, right alongside my personal gurus (i.e. badasses emeritus), and the rewards only get cooler from there.

Seriously, thank you for your support, financial and otherwise.  I wouldn’t be able to do this work without your interest and encouragement.


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Geoffrey Keating – Built to Last

Geoffrey Keating is a Colorado-based woodworker whose dedication to exquisite craftsmanship and creative design have made him one of today’s most sought-after furniture makers. But creating furniture is just a small part of his interesting life story—Geoffrey has also worked as a mechanic on a professional motocross team and holds two graduate degrees in theology, one from Yale and one from Notre Dame. He discovered his talent for woodworking about ten years ago while still in graduate school, and soon decided to go all in on building a career as a professional craftsman.

Geoffrey has a unique ability to understand and respect the past, while maintaining a commitment to a sustainable future. He uses reclaimed or responsibly sourced wood to create his furniture, and all of his work is built to last—he expects each piece to be passed on from one generation to the next. His workshop and home are in a beautiful 1897 building that was formerly a grocery store—he and his wife have fully repurposed the historical space to be their growing family’s base of operations. And as you’ll hear, Geoffrey’s study of history and theology plays a huge role in his design ethic and commitment to sustainability.

We met up at Geoffrey’s shop which is located just a block north of Colorado College in Colorado Springs. As you’d expect from someone with Geoffrey’s interesting background, we had a fun and wide-ranging conversation. We discuss his family’s history as craftsmen, and how he is the fifth generation to make a living working with wood. We talk about his transition from academia to woodworking, and how he managed to get his business off the ground in the early days. We chat about his commitment to quality, and how he balances his artistic goal of perfection with the economic realities of running a business. And we touch on his daily routines and techniques he uses to avoid the creative blocks that arise from time to time.  As usual, we also cover his favorite books, most powerful outdoor experience, and more. Enjoy!

A Geoffrey Keating hand-crafted desk

Geoffrey Keating chairs

All photos courtesy of Geoffrey Keating


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:45- How Geoffrey describes his work
3:15 – Geoffrey describes his furniture
4:55 – Family history of woodworking
5:45 – Racing motorcycles and working as mechanic
6:45 – Teaching and theology
8:45 – Transition from theology to woodworking
11:15 – Starting the business
14:15 – The formation of Geoffrey’s style
14:50 – Dealing with the quest for perfection
18:15 – The business of woodworking
19:55 – History of his workshop
20:55 – Living in the West
22:15 – Life in Colorado Springs
23:55 – Commitment to sustainability
26:10 – Types of wood
27:00 – Mentors and books
29:45 – Dealing with distraction
32:35 – Goal versus process
33:45 – Dealing with creative block
35:25 – Life lessons from woodworking
36:55 – Talent versus work ethic
38:25 – Advice for woodworkers
42:25 – Favorite books
45:15 – Favorite films
46:45 – Hobbies
47:15 – Most powerful outdoor experience
50:15 – Favorite location
50:55 – Best advice ever received?
52:10 – Request of the listeners
53:05 – Connect with Geoffrey online
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