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Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story

Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story

Anyone who has listened to this podcast surely knows of best-selling author and narrative historian Hampton Sides. I reference his books often and was lucky enough to interview him in August at the Aspen Institute, which I released as a podcast episode. In that conversation, we discussed the history of the 19th-Century American West, and many of you kindly reached out to let me know how much you enjoyed learning from Hampton. So I was thrilled—and I think you will be too—when Hampton generously stopped through Colorado Springs last week in the midst of a busy tour for his amazing new book, On Desperate Ground: The Marines at the Reservoir, the Korean War’s Greatest Battle.

As you’d expect, we had a fun conversation that expanded upon our first interview—we dig into his childhood in Memphis, Tennessee, and discuss his life-long desire to be a writer. We talk about his early years in journalism, and how his experiences writing and editing have contributed to his success as an author. We also chat about his years at “Outside”magazine and some of the realities of being a freelance journalist and author. Additionally, he shares some of the ins and outs of his writing process, including the struggle of cranking out a first draft, a process he describes as spending time in the “pain cave.” We also discuss the Grand Canyon, Wallace Stegner’s writing, and much more.

Finally, we spend some time talking about On Desperate Ground, which I can’t recommend enough. I knew next to nothing about the Korean War, but as usual, Hampton’s writing was simultaneously educational and entertaining, allowing me to learn a lot while thoroughly enjoying the process. You don’t have to be a military history buff to enjoy this book—his exploration of characters’ personalities, motivations, and egos makes for an engaging story that will appeal to anyone who is fascinated by interesting people. And being a weird guy who loves climbing big, absurdly cold mountains, I especially enjoyed our discussion of North Korea’s brutal winters and how sub-zero temperatures were one of the deadliest forces in this battle.

Thanks again to Hampton for making time to meet up during such a busy book tour. Be sure to check the episode notes for links to all the authors and books we discuss, as we cover a lot.  This was a fun conversation, and I know you’ll enjoy it.

Header photo by SERGEY GORSHKOV, headshot by KURT MARKUS.


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:20 – How Hampton describes his work
7:15 – Hampton’s early years
11:00 – College and history training
13:40 – Importance of discipline in writing
17:00 – The “Pain Cave”
19:00 – Publising his first book
20:20 – First job out of college
22:00 – Working at Outside
24:45 – Learning the art of structure
28:30 – Importance of characters in history
31:40 – General MacArthur
36:00 – The cold as a character in the book
40:45 – US Marines’ retreat from the reservoir
41:50 – Chairman Mao
42:40 – Lessons learned from veterans
47:40 – Favorite books
48:45 – Favorite documentaries
49:40 – Most powerful experience in the outdoors
51:40 – Best advice ever received
52:45 – Connect with Hampton online
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Erik Petersen – Stories of Public Lands & the People Who Love Them

Erik Petersen (left), alongside Montana local Bryan Wells

Erik Petersen is a Montana-based photographer, filmmaker, and photojournalist whose work showcases the American West and the many ways we enjoy our wide open spaces. His most recent film, A Few Steps Further, explores the commonalities between backcountry hunting and mountain endurance sports, while highlighting the spectacular wild landscapes that make these activities possible. Historically, hunters and adventure sports enthusiasts have not always seen eye to eye, but through his film, Erik demonstrates that the two groups have much more in common than not, most notably a love for public lands, pushing one’s physical limits, and hardcore adventure.

Growing up in Minnesota, Erik was an avid hunter and outdoorsman– but with a lifelong love for Montana, he moved West the day that he graduated from college. He worked for over ten years as a newspaper photographer throughout Montana, honing his craft and learning to produce high-quality work under the pressure and deadlines of traditional print media. Eventually Erik transitioned into freelance photography, taking some initial assignments that included trips to war-torn Afghanistan and the surrounding region. Today, much of his work centers around the landscapes of the American West, and his photographs and films highlight many of the values that we celebrate time and again on this podcast—conservation, public lands, adventure sports, and interesting people who love the West.

Erik and I caught up on the day that A Few Steps Further was released to the public, so I’ve embedded it in the episode notes—be sure to check it out, you’ll love it. In addition to that film, we talk about some of his other creative work, including a film he’s currently making that explores the threat of a goldmine near Yellowstone National Park and the promising bipartisan coalition that has emerged to fight the threat. We also cover the lessons he learned from his years in photojournalism, and how he manages to balance his roles as a husband and father of two boys while running his own creative business and pursuing adventure sports such as hunting and ultra running. We also discuss his creative mentors and heroes and his favorite books and films, plus he gives some good advice on how to take better landscape photos.

Visit the episode notes for links to everything, and enjoy this fun conversation with Erik Petersen.

A Few Steps Further from Erik Petersen on Vimeo.

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:35 – How Erik describes his work
4:10 – A Few Steps Further explained
6:05 – Erik’s background ultra running
7:35 – Growing up in Minnesota
8:50 – Backstory of Erik’s ultra running friend in the film
11:50 – What attracts Erik to adventure and endurance sports
14:00 – Early years
16:00 – Moving to Montana
18:15 – Experience from working at a newspaper
22:20 – Transition to freelance
25:30 – Time in Afganistan and scary stories
29:10 – Public lands
33:55- Mentors and heroes
36:15 – Nuts and bolts of filmmaking
37:50 – Patagonia media grant & new film
43:30 – How he choses creative projects
48:05 – How to take better landscape photos
51:00 – Favorite books and authors
53:00 – Favorite films
54:00 – Surprising activities
55:40 – Most powerful outdoor experience
57:50 – Best advice ever received
59:15 – Request of the listeners
1:00:05 – Follow Erik online
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Bonus (or is it a penalty?) Episode – Ed in the Hot Seat

Normally on the podcast, I introduce you to innovative individuals who are shaping the future of the American West—ranchers, writers, athletes, authors, adventurers, conservationists, entrepreneurs… pretty much anyone who’s interesting and doing important work here in the West.

But this episode is a little different. This time the tables are turned, and I’m in the hot seat, being interviewed on the local Colorado Springs podcast, The Little London Show.

A few months back, Little London Show hosts Jeff and Darcie asked me to join them to chat about my new role as Conservation Director at Palmer Land Trust, my family’s move from Boulder to Colorado Springs, and some of the lessons I’ve learned from hosting the Mountain & Prairie Podcast. I thought it was a fun conversation, and we discussed a variety of interesting topics, including public lands, Theodore Roosevelt (of course), favorite books, my journey from selling ranches to full-time conservation, and much more.

And just to be clear, I don’t think I’m an Innovator of the American West, nor do I enjoy listening to my own voice, but we covered some topics that I thought might be of interest to you guys. As usual, there are links to everything we discuss in the episode notes, so see below to access all of those resources. And if you have a few moments, let me know if you enjoy this format of me answering a few questions. If you do, then every so often I’ll plan on releasing episodes from other podcasts where I am the interviewee or possibly answering questions from you guys, if that would be of interest.

But no matter what, we’ll be back to the normal interviews with real innovators next week, so be on the lookout for that. Again, thanks for your support and thank you for listening.


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:30 – Introduction
3:20 – Mountain & Prairie Podcast explained
6:00 – Discussion of podcast guests
9:55 – TR and Public Lands
13:40 – Lessons learned from the podcast
16:50 – How I ended up in the West
19:45 – Transition to Colorado Springs from Boulder
22:30 – New job with Palmer
24:20 – Land conservation discussion
30:40 – Rugged individualism
33:10 – Rawness of the West
35:40 – “Your Stoke Won’t Save Us” article
40:50 – Uselessness of ultra running
42:10 – Three best books on the West
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Juanita Vero – A Deep Love of Place

Juanita Vero

[Fall 2020 Update: To listen to Juanita’s most recent Mountain & Prairie podcast appearance in which she discusses her campaign for Missoula County Commissioner, please visit this webpage. Thanks!]

Juanita Vero is a partner at the E Bar L Ranch, a family-owned dude ranch located on the Blackfoot River, about an hour east of Missoula, Montana. The ranch was purchased and founded by Juanita’s great-grandfather and has served as a Rocky Mountain retreat for families from around the world for almost 100 years. If you’ve never visited but would like to learn more about the ranch, this conversation with Juanita is one of your only options—they don’t have a website, nor do they advertise. They serve the same clients year after year, clients who value an authentic, rustic, and tight-knit dude-ranching experience that is closely connected to the land.

But the term “dude ranch” doesn’t really do the E Bar L justice. Juanita’s family has participated in some cutting-edge conservation projects, protecting their ranch with a unique conservation easement that also allows for responsible timber management. Becoming a member of the ranch’s summer staff is also an amazing experience, and it’s not uncommon for staff members to develop such a deep love of the land that they go on to careers in ranching or conservation. Juanita and her family lead by example with their business management and land stewardship practices, which seem to rub off on everyone who visits or works at the ranch.

Juanita and I connected just as she was wrapping up another successful summer season on the ranch. We had a fun conversation that covered everything from her great-grandfather’s purchase of the ranch in the early 1900s all the way up to its current day operations. We talk in detail about Juanita’s commitment to community service, and we dig into some of her work with groups such as Trout Unlimited, Montana Conservation Voters, and the Blackfoot Challenge.  We also discuss her youth on the ranch, and what she learned from leaving Montana in her teens to attend an east coast boarding school. We talk about toughness, the interesting story of how her parents met, and her blind date with her now husband, which happened to be a three-day elk hunt. And as usual, we cover favorite books, films, places in the West, and more.

This was a great conversation, so I know you’ll enjoy it. Thanks again for listening.

Header photo by Kirstie Lambert, other by Juanita Vero


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

4:10 – How Juanita describes her work
5:20 – Family history of the ranch
8:00 – Motivations for her great-grandfather to move West
12:15 -Who are the ranch guests?
15:30 – Funny guest stories from the ranch
18:10 – Growing up on the ranch
21:00 – Description of the ranch
22:10 – Conservation projects with the Nature Conservancy
31:10 – Juanita’s parents
35:15 – Importance of toughness
41:50 – Boarding school on the east coast
46:20 – Passion for community service and conservation
55:10 – Need for conservation to counterbalance development
1:00:15 – Importance of rural land use
1:02:30 – Favorite books
1:05:00 – 3-day blind date with her now-husband
1:06:50 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:09:50 – Favorite locations in the West
1:11:40 – Best advice ever received
1:13:30 – Requests of the listeners
 
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Become a Podcast Supporter!

When I started the podcast, I had no expectations that any significant number of people would ever tune in. Fast forward to today, there are thousands of people like you who not only listen, but tell their friends, share on social media, leave amazing iTunes reviews, and reach out to me directly with kind words. I can’t thank you enough for the encouragement—it’s been unbelievably fulfilling and fun to connect with so many like-minded folks from around the world who love the American West.

Much to my surprise, people have begun to ask how they can support the podcast financially. I’ve set up two options: Patreon (a monthly subscription) and PayPal (a one-time payment). If the podcast brings you as much enjoyment and value as say, a latte or burrito, I’d greatly appreciate your financial support. Click over to Patreon to see the Theodore Roosevelt-themed giving tiers and associated supporter-only benefits. All supporters will have their names listed proudly on the Wall of Badasses below, right alongside my personal gurus (i.e. badasses emeritus), and the rewards only get cooler from there.

Seriously, thank you for your support, financial and otherwise.  I wouldn’t be able to do this work without your interest and encouragement.


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Geoffrey Keating – Built to Last

Geoffrey Keating is a Colorado-based woodworker whose dedication to exquisite craftsmanship and creative design have made him one of today’s most sought-after furniture makers. But creating furniture is just a small part of his interesting life story—Geoffrey has also worked as a mechanic on a professional motocross team and holds two graduate degrees in theology, one from Yale and one from Notre Dame. He discovered his talent for woodworking about ten years ago while still in graduate school, and soon decided to go all in on building a career as a professional craftsman.

Geoffrey has a unique ability to understand and respect the past, while maintaining a commitment to a sustainable future. He uses reclaimed or responsibly sourced wood to create his furniture, and all of his work is built to last—he expects each piece to be passed on from one generation to the next. His workshop and home are in a beautiful 1897 building that was formerly a grocery store—he and his wife have fully repurposed the historical space to be their growing family’s base of operations. And as you’ll hear, Geoffrey’s study of history and theology plays a huge role in his design ethic and commitment to sustainability.

We met up at Geoffrey’s shop which is located just a block north of Colorado College in Colorado Springs. As you’d expect from someone with Geoffrey’s interesting background, we had a fun and wide-ranging conversation. We discuss his family’s history as craftsmen, and how he is the fifth generation to make a living working with wood. We talk about his transition from academia to woodworking, and how he managed to get his business off the ground in the early days. We chat about his commitment to quality, and how he balances his artistic goal of perfection with the economic realities of running a business. And we touch on his daily routines and techniques he uses to avoid the creative blocks that arise from time to time.  As usual, we also cover his favorite books, most powerful outdoor experience, and more. Enjoy!

A Geoffrey Keating hand-crafted desk
Geoffrey Keating chairs

All photos courtesy of Geoffrey Keating


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:45- How Geoffrey describes his work
3:15 – Geoffrey describes his furniture
4:55 – Family history of woodworking
5:45 – Racing motorcycles and working as mechanic
6:45 – Teaching and theology
8:45 – Transition from theology to woodworking
11:15 – Starting the business
14:15 – The formation of Geoffrey’s style
14:50 – Dealing with the quest for perfection
18:15 – The business of woodworking
19:55 – History of his workshop
20:55 – Living in the West
22:15 – Life in Colorado Springs
23:55 – Commitment to sustainability
26:10 – Types of wood
27:00 – Mentors and books
29:45 – Dealing with distraction
32:35 – Goal versus process
33:45 – Dealing with creative block
35:25 – Life lessons from woodworking
36:55 – Talent versus work ethic
38:25 – Advice for woodworkers
42:25 – Favorite books
45:15 – Favorite films
46:45 – Hobbies
47:15 – Most powerful outdoor experience
50:15 – Favorite location
50:55 – Best advice ever received?
52:10 – Request of the listeners
53:05 – Connect with Geoffrey online
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Book Club Selection: “The Emerald Mile” by Kevin Fedarko

September-October Book Club Selection: “The Emerald Mile” by Kevin Fedarko


At the end of each podcast episode, I ask the guest to name his or her favorite book about the American West. The books mentioned have been as varied as the guests’ careers and backgrounds—non-fiction and fiction, biography and philosophy, academic texts and poetry. But one specific title continues to pop up time and again. This book touches on many important aspects of the West—its history, settlement by Europeans, and the all-important issue of water resources.

But unlike many dry texts about western history and water issues, this story is built around an epic, real-life adventure through the depths of the Grand Canyon. It’s one of those books that is so well written and action packed, you’ll have a hard time putting it down. But when you’re finished, you’ll realize that you learned an unbelievable amount about could-be boring subjects such as the Bureau of Reclamation, water rights, hydrology, and the government’s role in regulating water supplies. It’s almost as if the author figured out a way to trick his readers into understanding and caring about the plight of the Colorado River.

If you’re a regular podcast listener, you know exactly what book I’m talking about. The September-October book club selection is:

The Emerald Mile: The Epic Story of the Fastest Ride in History Through the Heart of the Grand Canyon by Kevin Fedarko

Everyone I know who has read this book has loved it, no exceptions. In my recent podcast episode with Pete McBride, he named  The Emerald Mile as one of two books that are mandatory for those wanting to understand water in the West (and Pete knows a thing or two about the Colorado River). But even if you care nothing about water or the history of the West, it’s still a damn good read—wild adventure, crazy characters, all in an extreme, unforgiving landscape. This is a perfect book for Mountain & Prairie Podcast listeners.

I’ll be excited to hear your thoughts on the book and the issues it raises about us humans’ impact on the American West, as well as solutions for moving forward in a responsible, sustainable manner.


If you’d like to participate:
  • Grab a copy of The Emerald Mile—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the adventure.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!

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Hampton Sides – Live at the Aspen Institute

Hampton Sides: Live at the Aspen Institute


Hampton Sides is a narrative historian, best-selling author, and editor-at-large for Outside magazine. Mountain & Prairie listeners probably know Hampton best from his book Blood and Thunder: The Epic Story of Kit Carson and the Conquest of the American West, but the reality is that Blood and Thunder represents only a fraction of his work. Hellhound on His Trail, In the Kingdom of Ice, and Ghost Soldiers are a few of his other notable books, not to mention countless articles for Outside, National Geographic, and other well-known magazines. Hampton is originally from Memphis, Tennessee, but now splits his time between Santa Fe, New Mexico and Colorado Springs, where he’s the Journalist in Residence at Colorado College.

This podcast is a live recording of a conversation that Hampton and I had in front of an audience at the Aspen Institute in Aspen, Colorado. This public event was part of a four-day seminar about the history of the 19th Century American West, which was hosted by the Aspen Institute’s Society of Fellows. Since the overall theme of the week was the West, Hampton and I focused our conversation on Blood and Thunder, and chatted about the many topics presented in the book: the Navajos, the life of Kit Carson, Carson’s obsession with loyalty, Manifest Destiny, historical misconceptions about the time period, Hampton’s process for researching the book, and more. There are also a few minutes of Q&A from the audience toward the end of our talk. The Aspen Institute also filmed the event, so if you’d rather watch the interview, check out the video below.

Having the opportunity to speak with one of my all-time favorite authors at such an exceptional, world-renowned institution was a real dream come true. Endless thanks to the Aspen Institute for inviting me, and the same to Hampton for being so engaging, funny, knowledgeable, and down to earth. You’re going to learn a lot from this episode, so I hope you enjoy listening… or watching!  And if you haven’t already, you should order and read Hampton’s books as soon as possible—you won’t be disappointed.

All photos and video courtesy of the Aspen Institute


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:40 – Welcome from the Aspen Institute
4:45 – Ed’s intro
6:30 – Background on Navajos
9:15 – Overview of Kit Carson
13:30 – Polarizing views of Kit Carson
14:45 – Growth of the legend of Kit Carson
20:20 – Carson and John Fremont
24:45 – The downside of Carson’s loyalty
27:45 – How to evaluate historical figures according to their time
32:30 – How Hampton researched the book
35:45 – Modern day societies attempts to right the wrongs
39:30 – Ideas for getting past today’s divisiveness
41:40 – Hampton’s book recommendations
43:50 – Heroes and mentors
47:00 – Audience Q&A
1:08:20 – Closing
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Pete McBride – A Passion for Water & Wild Places

Pete McBride

Pete McBride is a National Geographic photographer, filmmaker, and writer who tells untold stories from some of the world’s wildest places. Most recently, Pete and his friend, author Kevin Fedarko, hiked the entire 800-mile length of the Grand Canyon, documenting the journey for his forthcoming book The Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim.  The book is an amazing combination of breathtaking photography, adventure travelogue, and an examination of some of the conservation challenges facing the legendary national park. Given the fact that more people have stood on the moon than hiked the length of the Grand Canyon, it’s no surprise that this book is a must-read.

Growing up in Colorado’s Roaring Fork Valley, Pete spent his childhood skiing, playing hockey, and working on his family’s ranch. After college on the east coast, he cut his teeth in journalism at the High Country News, where he discovered his proclivity for photography.  From there, he set out on a series of adventures, camera in hand, and with a lot of hard work and hustle, he eventually sold his first story toNational Geographic. After traveling the world as a photojournalist and having some close calls in Somalia and on Mt. Everest, Pete decided to focus his efforts on his “backyard river”—the Colorado River. Pete seems to have found his true calling in this iconic waterway—he has combined his artistic eye, journalistic perspective, and pursuit of adventure to become one of the Colorado River’s greatest advocates.

Pete and I met up in Aspen just before he headed to the airport to catch a flight. Even though our time was limited, we managed to cover a wide range of fun topics. We dig into the details of his Grand Canyon hike, and Pete tells a scary story of coming way too close to death early in the trip. We talk about his relationship with Kevin Fedarko, and how their differing personalities complement each other well on hardcore adventures. Pete shares more about his career as a photographer, and how he sees his strong work ethic as the key to his success. Pete also gives a great overview of the challenges facing the Colorado River, and he offers some solid book recommendations for folks who want to learn more about water issues in the West.

Hopefully I’ll get Pete back on for a Part 2 at some point in the future, because as you’ll hear, there’s still plenty more to discuss. For now, I really appreciate him taking the time to chat during such a busy time and hope you all enjoy the interview.

Pete’s new book: “The Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim”

All photos courtesy of Pete McBride


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:00 – How Pete describes his work
4:10 – Following the length of the Colorado River
5:45 – Genesis of the idea to hike the Canyon
6:20 – Grand Canyon adventure explained
7:55 – Partnership with Kevin Fedarko
11:00 – Close to death in the Canyon
12:15 – Surprises from the adventure
14:40 – The night sky at the bottom of the Canyon
17:20 – Ecology of the Canyon
19:40 – Camera gear on the trip
20:45 – Battle with hyponatremia
22:05 – New book
27:25 – Pete’s personal background
29:40 – Working at the High Country News
31:15 – First photojournalist assignment
33:00 – Talent vs hard work
35:20 – Surfing and Central America
37:00 – Photographers that Pete admires
39:40 – Conservation and the Colorado River
47:20 – Best books about water in the West
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Stephen Smith, Part 2 – Evolution & Reinvention

Stephen Smith

Those of you who have been listening to the podcast since the early days probably remember my first conversation with Stephen Smith. We talked for an hour and a half about his career as a professional photographer, his motorcycle adventures around South America, his time working on farms and ranches, surfing, and more. Since that conversation almost exactly two years ago, Stephen has continued to evolve as an adventurer, entrepreneur, and artist. He bought a 170-acre property in eastern Oregon, founded a plant medicine CBD company, and has continued his work as a professional freelance photographer. With all these exciting developments, I thought it was time to have him back on the podcast for round two.

Stephen has a big vision for his new endeavors, and, more importantly, he has the work ethic and risk tolerance to achieve his goals.  We talk a lot about his new property, which he’s calling Crow Creek, and how he has gone about transforming a raw piece of ground into his full-time home. We also chat in detail about his CBD company ONDA Wellness, which provides all-natural plant-based relief for everything from muscle soreness to anxiety to insomnia. If you are someone who is thinking of starting your own business, or simply has an interest in outside-the-box entrepreneurship, you will learn a lot from Stephen’s story.

As you’ll hear in our conversation, Stephen is amazingly open and honest about the challenges he has encountered while pursuing these new ventures, physically, mentally, and financially. He pulls no punches when describing the difficulty of simultaneously homesteading a property, running a start-up, and freelancing, but you’ll notice that his tone remains focused and optimistic, while still being realistic. Yes, the Instagram posts of Crow Creek and Stephen’s travels around the West are stunning, but make no mistake, he’s grinding at a breakneck speed to make it all work. His journey is inspiring and real, so I know you’ll enjoy listening.

And as an added bonus, Stephen is offering a 15% discount on ONDA Wellness products to Mountain & Prairie listeners.  Just use the code “ED15″ at checkout, and the discount will be applied. I can’t speak highly enough about ONDA, so I encourage you to give it a try.

Thanks to Stephen for coming back on the podcast.  Hope you enjoy!

All photos courtesy of Stephen Smith


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:40 – Stephen describing his new ventures
8:20 – Crow Creek described
12:00 – Awesome aspects of Oregon
15:00 – Building Crow Creek up from scratch
18:15 – Breaking his fingers
21:10 – Upcoming event with Chris Eyer
24:20 – Breaking out of the southeast
26:25 – Mentors and heroes
30:00 – On generosity
32:40 – CBD and ONDA Wellness
40:30 – Ed’s endorsement of ONDA
42:30 – More explanation of CBD
49:30 – New favorite books
51:50 – Good films
53:10 – Biggest surprise about building Crow Creek
56:55 – Best advice ever received
58:25 – Words of wisdoms for the listeners
100:45 – Connect with Stephen online
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Upcoming Event! Hampton Sides at the Aspen Institute

Upcoming Event! Hampton Sides at the Aspen Institute


I’m thrilled to announce that I’ll be interviewing Hampton Sides on stage at the Aspen Institute on Wednesday, August 15th. We’ll be discussing his amazing book Blood and Thunder: The Epic Story of Kit Carson and the Conquest of the American West, as well as a whole host of topics related to the 19th Century American West. It’s going to be an engaging conversation at a world-renowned venue, so I hope to see you there!

Below is the full program description– click the title to visit the Aspen Institute’s event webpage.


American West Public Lecture: Kit Carson and the 19th Century American West: A Legendary Journey of Exploration

Featuring Hampton Sides, Editor-At-Large of Outside Magazine and best-selling author, in conversation with Ed Roberson, Conservation Director of Palmer Land Trust and host of the Mountain & Prairie podcast.  Hampton Sides will share his insights into the life of legendary Kit Carson, a 19th century trapper, military man, and pioneer. Enveloped in mythology, Carson’s story is a wonderful example of the conflict of culture and values that so defines 19th Century American West today.

Fee: $25. Tickets on sale Friday, August 3 at www.aspenshowtix.com.

Parking is very limited. Please carpool, walk, ride RFTA, or ride a We-Cycle bike. Information: www.we-cycle.org or www.rfta.com, or download the Transit app.


 

Rebecca Jewett – Big Ideas for the New West

Rebecca Jewett

Rebecca Jewett is the executive director of Palmer Land Trust, a conservation organization committed to protecting southern Colorado’s recreational open space, working agricultural land, and stunning scenic vistas. Under Rebecca’s leadership, Palmer has moved away from traditional, decades-old land conservation methods and into a more proactive model, pursuing audacious and outside-the-box conservation strategies across a variety of landscapes. By focusing on community above all else, Palmer is finding win-win scenarios that benefit all of southern Colorado’s numerous stakeholders, from ranchers and farmers to mountain bikers and climbers, and from cities and municipalities to counties and rural areas.

Rebecca is a fifth-generation Coloradan who grew up deeply immersed in the outdoors, which instilled a passion for open space that has guided her career trajectory. After ten years in public lands-related work, she made the shift into private land conservation when she took the helm of Palmer. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Rebecca has big plans for tackling some of Colorado’s most pressing conservation issues, issues that threaten the West from ecological, economic, and community perspectives. Her enthusiasm for her work is contagious, and her ability to communicate complex issues in an engaging way is second-to-none.

Folks who follow me on social media may already know, but I was so impressed with Rebecca and the rest of the Palmer team that I recently left the ranch brokerage business and joined the organization as a full-time employee. The opportunity to apply my professional expertise in real estate and finance to some of the West’s most challenging problems was too great of an opportunity to pass up—so I’m officially a full-time Palmer staff member, Rebecca is my boss, and I couldn’t be more excited about the work ahead.

I know you’ll enjoy this conversation, because Rebecca and I cover a wide range of topics that should be of interest for anyone who loves the West. We discuss the importance of water, agriculture, open space, and recreation, and how conservation can bring together stakeholders from all of those factions. We talk about the Arkansas River basin where Palmer focuses its efforts, and how it encompasses every Colorado landscape, from 14,000-foot mountains to flat, open grasslands. Rebecca elaborates on her leadership style, and also talks about her experience being a female leader in a once male-dominated industry. She also explains some specific projects that Palmer is taking on, and how the entire Colorado land trust community collaborates toward common goals. As usual, we also cover favorite books, films, places in the West, and much more.

If you haven’t already, give Rebecca and Palmer Land Trust a follow on social media, and be sure to check the episode notes for links to everything we discuss.  Enjoy!

Rebecca enjoying the alpine

All photos courtesy of Rebecca Jewett


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:30 – How Rebecca describes her work
4:40 – Palmer Land Trust explained
6:10 – The Arkansas River Basin
8:25 – Balancing all the conservation stakeholders
10:50 – Importance of community
13:30 – Palmer’s focus on being proactive and strategic
17:25 – Water and conservation in the Lower Arkansas Valley
20:50 – Alternative valuation for conservation
23:00 – The “dust bowl” results of drying up farmland
24:25 – Uniqueness of conserving farmland
27:45 – Water projects in southeastern CO
29:45 – Bipartisan nature of private land conservation
31:35 – Palmer’s work conserving public lands
33:45 – Rebecca’s family history in Colorado
36:25 – Colorado College
37:40 – Early career, grad school, and Rocky Mountain Field Institute
40:30 – Early outdoor experiences
41:50 – Joining Palmer Land Trust
44:00 – Balancing audacious goals versus being realistic
46:40 – Rebecca’s leadership style
53:10 – Thoughts on being a woman leader in conservation
58:40 – Ed’s new job at Palmer
1:00:00 – Favorite books
1:04:10 – Favorite films
1:05:40 – Rebecca’s hobbies
1:07:15 – Craziest outdoor experience
1:11:30 – Favorite location in the West
1:12:30 – Best advice ever received
1:14:50 – Request of the listeners
1:16:55 – Connect with Palmer online
Information Referenced

Ed on “The Little London Show”

Last week, Jeff and Darcie over at Colorado Springs’ local podcast, The Little London Show, graciously asked me to stop by for a chat. We had a fun conversation and covered wide range of subjects—conservation, my new gig with Palmer Land Trust, Theodore Roosevelt, public lands, the Springs vs. Boulder, books, the ridiculousness of ultra running, my podcast, and much more.

I have no idea if I made a lick of sense—most likely not—but if you’re interested, you can listen below.


The Little London Show: Episode 141 – Ed Roberson

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Book Club Selection: “Blood and Thunder” by Hampton Sides

July-August Book Club Selection: “Blood and Thunder” by Hampton Sides


If you’ve been following the blog and podcast for a while, you know that I read tons of books about the American West—everything from the detailed history of barbed wire to biographies of Stegner and Abbey to ecological examinations of the West’s large mammals.

But if I could only recommend one book, the choice would be easy. This book combines dense, specific history of the white man’s settling of the West, structured around the biography of one of our country’s most heroic-notorious-paradoxical characters.  It sheds light on the horrific mistreatment of Native Americans, while explaining the “Manifest Destiny” thinking that led to those atrocities. And it presents all of this information in an amazingly entertaining and exciting narrative that is truly fun to read.

The July-August Book Club Selection is:

Blood and Thunder: The Epic Story of Kit Carson and the Conquest of the American West by Hampton Sides

Blood and Thunder is in my top five favorite books of all time, and—no exaggeration—everyone I know who’s read it has loved it. Reading the book gave me a base level of knowledge about the West that has served me well both professionally and personally.  This is also one of those books that introduces you to countless characters and concepts that will warrant further reading and study—it’s a gateway drug into deep Western history.

If you’re like me, you’ll be disgusted by the government’s treatment of Native Americans, and likely perplexed by Kit Carson’s role in the “taming of the West” and the seemingly hypocritical nature of some of his actions. Was he really the Western superhero character that pop culture portrays him as?  I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on that.

Hampton Sides is a world-class writer who has honed his gift for telling complex stories in easy-to-read, engaging prose. I’ve read most of his books and much of his shorter-form writing for Outside magazine and the like—his subjects span a broad range but his writing is consistently top-notch. But of all he has written, there’s something special about Blood and Thunder that has stuck with me for years and years, so I trust that you’ll glean lots of value from it, as well.


If you’d like to participate:
  • Grab a copy of Blood and Thunder—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your thoughts as you plow through the epic. I’m especially interested in your thoughts on Kit Carson—is he the hero that history has made him out to be? I have my own thoughts that I’ll share.
  • The only way this works is with lots of participation from lots of people, so the more the better. DON’T BE SHY!

Mountain & Prairie Book Club – Goodreads Group

Sarah Wentzel-Fisher – Conservation in the Radical Center

Sarah Wentzel-Fisher

Sarah Wentzel-Fisher is the Executive Director of the Quivira Coalition, an innovative conservation organization devoted to building soil, biodiversity, and resilience on western working landscapes. Quivira was founded over twenty years ago by two conservationists and a rancher, all three of whom were exhausted by the divisive nature of the relationships between the agricultural and environmental communities. By putting their few differences aside and focusing on their many shared values, Quivira has led many of the West’s stakeholders toward collaborative, long-term solutions that improve western landscapes both ecologically and socially.

Sarah grew up in a small town in the Black Hills of South Dakota and learned the true value of community at an early age.  As she grew older, she began to hone in on her interest in food—specifically how food and food production play such a huge role in the health and resilience of local communities. Her graduate work focused on the role of small-scale agriculture in New Mexico, and for six years she was the editor ofEdible Santa Fe, a New Mexico-based magazine that covers the region’s local food scene. Her background made her a perfect fit for Quivira’s mission, and her creative mindset and understanding of agriculture have allowed her to successfully lead the organization into its next phase.

I had the pleasure of meeting Sarah here in Colorado Springs as she was on the tail end of a massive road trip through the West visiting with farmers, ranchers, and land managers. We had a fun conversation and touched on so many of the subjects that are of interest to me and to the podcast listeners. We chatted about the specifics of regenerative agriculture, and some of the misconceptions among well-meaning environmentalists around grazing as an effective method to fight climate change.  Speaking of climate change, we talked about why Quivira does not hesitate to discuss climate change, even though that term can be a hot button issue among certain groups. We discussed the idea of rugged individualism, Quivira’s concept of the “Radical Center,” and the organization’s agricultural mentor program. She offered some advice for aspiring conservationists, and talked about how her creativity has served her well as a leader. And as usual, we covered books, films, favorite places in the West and more.

I encourage you to visit Quivira’s website and also to check out their podcast—it’s called Down To Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast.  If you’re a fan of this podcast, odds are you’ll enjoy that one, as well.  You’ll probably like it better actually. Check the episode notes for links to everything we discuss, and enjoy!

All photos courtesy of Sarah Wentzel-Fisher


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:20 – How Sarah describes her work
4:05 – Quivira Coalition explained
5:45 – Misconceptions of agriculture
7:15 – Sarah’s work in the local food movement
8:40 – Educational and professional background
12:30 – Sarah’s early years and appreciation for community
15:40 – The “Radical Center”
19:10 – Founding of the Quivira Coalition
21:55 – Increased collaboration on the ground
24:40 – Media portrayals of the West
26:00 – Use of the term “Climate Change”
29:55 – How Quivira measures success
30:55 – Apprenticeship program\
33:30 – Quivira’s on-the-ground projects
35:00 – Comanche Creek project
41:40 – Transition from writer to conservation leader
43:30 – Creative practice translating into leadership
45:30 – Mentors and heroes
48:45 – Importance of being open-minded
49:30 – Best farming books
54:50 – Advice for aspiring conservationists
1:00:20 – Optimistic or pessimistic?
1:06:35 – Quivira’s annual conference
1:10:00 – Favorite books
1:12:30 – What Sarah does for fun
1:15:10 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:18:00 – Favorite location in the West
1:19:10 – Request of the listeners
1:20:15 – Connect with Quivira online and Down to Earth podcast
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David Gessner – Voice of the West’s Past and Present

David Gessner (photo by Nina de Gramont)

David Gessner is an author, a professor, and one of the leading contemporary voices on the natural world and the American West. He has written ten books, including All the Wild That Remains: Edward Abbey, Wallace Stegner, and the American West, which is one of my all-time favorites and was a former Mountain & Prairie Book Club selection. Thanks to his influences ranging from Henry David Thoreau to Theodore Roosevelt to Wendell Berry, David preaches the gospel of appreciating “place” and protecting our wild landscapes, public lands, and fragile Western ecosystem.

I’ve been a huge fan of David’s work for many years, and have read almost everything he has written. I cannot overstate how much his writing has helped me understand both the history and the modern-day challenges of the American West, as well as the individuals who have shaped the region.  Through his masterful prose, he combines history, current events, deep personal insights, and a hilarious sense of humor into amazingly impactful books. Without his writing, my interest in land conservation would be a fraction of what it is today.

David was in Colorado conducting research for a new book focused on public lands, Bears Ears, and Theodore Roosevelt, so we met up in Boulder for our conversation.  In a little over an hour, we managed to cover a wide range of topics including public lands, Stegner, Abbey, TR, the idea of “Boomers and Stickers,” and the importance of place. David described how a bout with cancer helped to change his writing style and interests, and how moving to Boulder in his thirties altered the trajectory of his life and career. We discussed his writing process, his coastal writing shack, and how his approach to writing has evolved over the years. As usual, we also touched on favorite books, films, and his most powerful outdoor experience.

Meeting David and having this conversation was a dream come true for me, so many thanks to him for taking the time to chat. There are a lot of resources and other priceless information in this episode, so be sure to check the notes for links to everything. Enjoy!

A Meeting of the Minds: David and TR in the Badlands (photo courtesy of David Gessner)

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:48 – How David describes his work
3:45 – Where David lives
4:50 – Visit to Boulder and Western road trip
6:40 – Trip around Bears Ears
8:20 – Importance of adventure for writing
16:00 – David’s evolution toward adventure
17:05 – Bout with testicular cancer
24:00 – Lessons learned from cancer
25:45 – Lessons learned from Teddy Roosevelt
30:50 – Upcoming book centered around TR
35:50 – Personal threads that run through David’s books
37:45 – Boomers and Stickers
41:30 – Rawness of the West
43:15 – Importance of the “place”
46:10 – David’s writing shack
48:20 – How David produces so much work
52:00 – Introvert or extrovert
54:00 – Beliefs about the West that have changed over time
1:00:00 – More on the rawness of the West
1:01:15 – Recommended Abbey and Stegner books
1:05:00 – Downsides of TR
1:06:22 – Favorite books about the West
1:07:05 – Favorite films
1:08:50 – Favorite location in the West
1:09:55 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:12:50 – Request of the listeners
Information Referenced

Modern Huntsman Book Review – The TR Trilogy

Head over to the Modern Huntsman website read my thoughts on why Edmund Morris’s Theodore Roosevelt Trilogy is required reading for anyone wanting to be an effective force in the battle for our public lands.

 


Modern Huntsman Book Review: Theodore Roosevelt Trilogy

Excerpt: “While reading the full trilogy is an accomplishment on its own, it is really just a starting point for a deep understanding of TR, public lands, conservation, and the time period. Curious readers will find dozens of people, places, and concepts that warrant further study, and their reading list will expand wildly with each completed chapter. If the trilogy is the trunk of a great oak tree, there are countless fascinating branches to explore further.”



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Daniel Vergés – The Pursuit of Simplicity in Art & Life

Daniel Vergés

Daniel Vergés is an artist and graphic designer who captures the essence of life in the American West through simple yet amazingly impactful paintings and drawings. Like many of my podcast guests, Daniel grew up obsessed with all things western—but unlike previous guests, Daniel grew up and currently lives in Spain, where he works and creates western-focused art in his rural studio. His life-long love of the West was solidified during the time he spent living and working on the Zapata Ranch, a 103,000-acre cattle and bison ranch located in Colorado’s San Luis Valley.

Despite living so far from the American West now, Daniel’s deep love of and respect for the landscape, people, and history would make you think he’s been here his entire life. Sometimes those of us who live in the West can lose perspective on just what a spectacular place it is, so I enjoyed learning more about Daniel’s perspective as someone who does not physically live here yet is heavily influenced by the West’s landscapes and culture on a daily basis. If you ever find yourself getting jaded about life in the West, just listen to the way he describes mountains, prairies, ranches, and bison, then take a look at his art, and you’ll snap right out of it!

Daniel and I had a wonderful conversation that covered everything from life on the Zapata Ranch to his creative process. We chatted about his childhood interest in the West and his impressions of the wide-open spaces and wildlife during his first trip to Colorado. We discussed how the West influences his art, and how he strives for simplicity in his art and life. We talked about his collaborations with other artists, such as former podcast guest Camrin Dengel, and how these partnerships fuel his creativity. Daniel also discussed how his discipline of daily drawing and his passion for creating have driven his success as an artist. And as usual, we covered books, films, favorite places in the West, and much more, so be sure to check the episode notes for links to everything.

And there’s one more piece of exciting news—Daniel created a special painting for the Mountain and Prairie podcast featuring my favorite animal, the bison. It’s a super-cool piece, and I’m honored that he took the time to create something so special for the podcast. We discuss it a bit during our conversation, and I loved hearing how Daniel created it. Check out the podcast webpage to see it– I set up a little online shop where you can buy shirts and hats featuring the art. There are links on the website to everything, so go check it out!

I know you’ll enjoy this episode. Thanks for listening.

One of Daniel’s collaborations with Camrin Dengel
Podcast art created by Daniel – Available in the M&P store!

Photos by Kate Matheson, art by Daniel Verges


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

3:00 – How Daniel describes his work
3:30 – Where Daniel lives
4:50 – Daniel’s experience on the Zapata Ranch
7:40 – The West’s influence on Daniel’s art
9:00 – The timeless feeling of the West
10:45 – Teambuilding through branding and ranching
11:40 – First impressions of the West
14:00 – Memorable experience from the ranches
15:40 – Learning horses
18:20 – Daniel describes his art
20:30 – Daniel’s artistic childhood
21:30 – Learning art in university, then self-teaching
24:10 – Slow Artworks
26:10 – How Daniel pushes himself artistically
28:45 – Dealing with creative block
31:30 – Lessons learned from Costa Rica
36:25 – Collaboration with Camrin Dengel and others
38:50 – Mentors and heroes
41:05 – How Daniel’s art has changed
43:50 – Managing social media
46:00 – The podcast artwork created by Daniel
49:00 – Japanese philosophy’s influence on Daniel work
52:05 – Advice to aspiring artists
55:55 – Favorite books
58:50 – Favorite films
1:01:30 – Hobbies, music, running, roping
1:03:20 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:06:00 – Favorite location in the West
1:07:20 – Best advice
1:10:30 – Request of the listeners

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Best Books on Farming – A Crowdsourced List

Best Books on Farming – A Crowdsourced List


If you listen to the podcast, you know that I’m fascinated with agriculture and its ecological and economic benefits to our culture here in the American West. Recently, I’ve been working in the farming community along Colorado’s lower Arkansas Valley—some of the most fertile and productive farmland in the Rocky Mountain West. I am thoroughly impressed by these farmers’ tireless work ethic, their commitment to sustainable agricultural practices, and their desire to see the land remain in production, rather than being developed into another poorly planned strip mall or housing development.

My immersion in Colorado’s farming culture has only whet my appetite to learn more, so I reached out to the podcast listeners via Instagram and asked “What is the best book on farming that you’ve ever read?” I received so many excellent suggestions, from well-known bestsellers to esoteric cult classics.  The full list is below, in no particular order.

Keep in mind, I have not read most of these books (yet), so I can’t vouch for all of them personally. But given the curiosity and passion of Mountain & Prairie Podcast listeners, I trust that these books offer valuable perspectives on farming and agriculture—a diverse set of historical, philisophical, technical, cultural, and ecological outlooks on a complex subject. While I may not agree with every point made in these books, I do love the process of learning, exploring new ideas, challenging my preconceived notions, and making up my mind based on thorough reading and research.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to reach out with recommendations. If you notice any glaring omissions, please let me know in the comments below!

Book Club Selection: “The Big Burn” by Timothy Egan

May-June Book Club Selection: “The Big Burn” by Timothy Egan


If you listen to the podcast, odds are you’ve been paying close attention to the ongoing public lands debate. I’d also venture a guess that you’ve spent a considerable amount of time exploring public lands, whether scaling one of Colorado’s 14ers, camping in the alpine of the Wind River Range, or simply peering of the edge of the Grand Canyon. Public lands are what make the West the West, and they are the foundation of everything unique about the region, from wildlife to scenic views, natural resources to recreation.

To fully understand– or even begin to understand– the American West, you need to understand the history of public lands, so the May-June book club selection is:

The Big Burn: Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire That Saved America by Timothy Egan

The book is centered around a massive and deadly forest fire that burned over 3 million acres of Montana, Idaho, and Washington in just two days. While the story of the wildfire is exciting and tragic, I found the real value of this book to be the detailed history of the creation of the United States Forest Service—how our public lands came to be seen as a national treasure owned by the people, rather than a resource to be exploited by robber barons. 

As noted in the subtitle, the book digs into the role that Theodore Roosevelt played in shaping conservation policy, as well as the powerful political and economic forces he had to fight to ensure the protection of these landscapes. Egan also paints a vivid picture of Gifford Pinchot, TR’s right hand man in conservation and the first head of the US Forest Service. Pinchot was an interesting dude to say the least—he would hold conversations with the ghost of his deceased wife, began each day by pouring buckets of ice-cold water on this head, and would regularly square off in boxing and wrestling matches against TR.

The topics and people examined in this book are more important now more than ever—if you want to be an effective advocate for public lands, it’s mandatory to understand this history.  I loved this book, and I think about it regularly as I visit the far-flung corners of the American West. But don’t take my word for it, check out this glowing Los Angeles Times book review for a solid synopsis.

This book club selection is being offered in conjunction with the Diablo Trust’s monthly book club.  Diablo Trust is a leader in cutting-edge conservation in the southwestern US, so I highly encourage you to check out their website and consider supporting their work. At the least, read along with their book club— they have some wonderful monthly selections!


If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of The Big Burn—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your first-hand experience reading Stegner and Abbey. The only way this works is with lot of participation from lots of people, so the more the better.

Mountain & Prairie Book Club – Goodreads Group


Not interested in TR, Pinchot, or The Big Burn? Then get started on the July-August Book Club selection: Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides.  More details will be announced in early July.

Adam Foss – Lessons Learned From a Life Afield

Adam Foss

Adam Foss is a world-class hunter who has transformed his passion for wildlife and wild places into a rewarding career in filmmaking and photography. Adam has been obsessed with wilderness adventure for practically his entire life. At age 24, he was the youngest person to take all four species of North American sheep with a bow, an amazing achievement for a hunter of any age. But despite this accomplishment and others, Adam is much more focused on the process of the hunt—spending challenging days in the mountains, forming long-lasting friendships, stewarding public lands, and conserving legendary big game species.

Born in the Canadian Rockies, Adam spent much of his youth bow hunting with his father and older brother. As he grew older, his hunting trips expanded in geography and complexity, and he has now hunted many of the world’s wildest places for some of the most renowned big game. Adam initially considered a career in wildlife biology, but decided to go the creative route instead—he and his wife are now the owners of Foss Media, a company that creates films and photography for some of the most iconic outdoor brands today. As you’ll hear, Adam is passionate about wildlife, storytelling, and conservation, but he is equally humble, grounded, and grateful for being able to do what he loves on a daily basis.

We caught up over Skype, as Adam and his wife are currently traveling around Canada and the American West working on creative projects. We had a fun conversation and managed to cover a lot in just over an hour. We discussed Adam’s childhood in Canada and the lessons he learned from hunting with his father and brother. We chatted about how Adam values the process of hunting over the end goal of taking an animal and our shared theory that hunting taps into something primal in our human DNA. We talked in detail about conservation, specifically the role of public lands in both the United States and Canada. Adam also offered some wise advice to people who want to learn to hunt but may not have a long-standing connection to the sport. And as usual, we discussed Adam’s favorite books, films, and his most powerful outdoor experience.

This was such a fun conversation, and it’s clear that Adam has thought long and hard about these issues. I really enjoyed getting to know Adam, and I think you will too.

Photos courtesy of Adam Foss


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:58 – How Adam describes his work
7:15 – Adam’s upbringing in Canada
8:50 – Hunting with his dad in the mountains
10:45 – University in British Columbia and more far reaching hunts
12:30 – Adam’s early career goals
14:30 – Lessons learned from hunting with his father
17:45 – Breaking down hunts into manageable peices
20:45 – The mental game of hunting
23:00 – Process over goals
25:45 – Adam’s love of adventure and challenges
27:35 – Influences and mentors
33:15 – Adam’s current goals for a hunt
38:00 – South America trip
39:30 – Hunting as a part of human’s DNA
43:15 – Advice to new hunters
48:15 – Importance of public lands
52:15 – Thoughts on wolves and ecological balance
59:30 – Favorite books
1:02:55 – Favorite documentaries
1:05:20 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:15:00 – Connect with Adam online
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Chris Eyer – Montana’s Mindful Mule Packer

Chris Eyer

Chris Eyer is a true Western polymath. He is probably best known for his work as a mule packer, in which he uses mules to transport supplies into some of Montana’s most remote wilderness areas—he documents the adventures on his extremely popular Instagram account @muledragger. But as you’ll hear in our conversation, mule packing only scratches the surface—Chris is an experienced mountaineer and climber, a former US Marine, a practicing Buddhist, a leather craftsman, and a successful electrical contractor. From his home base in Montana’s Bitterroot Valley, Chris leads a full and fascinating life, working hard and enjoying his connection to the natural world and his animals.

Chris was raised in California, and from an early age was attracted to the outdoors and adventures in wild places. On a backpacking trip during his teens, he came across a team of mules and was immediately entranced—from that moment on, he knew that he wanted to work as a mule packer. As an adult, Chris taught himself the ins and outs of mule packing, a hard-knocks method of learning that’s not for the faint of heart. But through this long and tough self-education, he established incredibly deep relationships with all of his animals– relationships that have significantly enriched his life in many ways.

As you’d expect from someone with Chris’s diverse set of experiences, we had an extremely wide-ranging conversation. We chat about how he became a mule packer and some of the crazy and scary experiences early in his career. We cover his time in the Marines, and the lessons he learned that carry over into his daily life now. We also discuss his connection to Buddhism and his meditation practice, and how his mindful approach to life and wilderness travel keeps him and his team of animals safe in dangerous situations. Chris also explains the specifics of mules from a biological and temperamental perspective. We discuss Chris’s unique connection to legendary alpinist Conrad Anker, as well as the similarities between packing and climbing. As usual, we hit upon books, films, favorite places in the West, and much more.

There’s a ton of amazing information in this episode, so be sure the check out the episode notes. Hopefully I’ll get Chris back for a part two, because there’s still plenty to discuss. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Chris Eyer


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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:50 – How Chris describes his work
4:15 – Bitterroot Valley
6:30 – How Chris settled in the Bitterroot
8:10 – The equine “feedback loop”
8:45 – Early days riding horses
9:40 – Influenced by Conrad Anker and Alex Lowe
11:10 – First interaction with a packer
12:15 – Joining the Marines
14:00 – Studying philosophy and religious studies
16:15 – Discovering the Montana wilderness
20:10 – Lessons learned from the Marines
23:40 – Buddhism in Chris’s daily life
27:30 – Life’s constant state of change
29:30 – The way wilderness strips away people’s surface-level differences
31:30 – How to learn to meditate
34:15 – Learning the details of mule packing
36:30 – Scary early experience packing
40:30 – Detailed discussion about mules
45:10 – Misconceptions about mules
47:30 – How Chris selects his mules
50:20 – Control versus letting go
55:20 – Trip with Conrad Anker
1:00:15 – Significance of the Heart W brand
1:03:30 – Favorite books
1:06:40 – Favorite documentaries
1:07:55 – Fun activities
1:10:00 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:17:00 – Best advice
1:19:30 – Request of the listeners
1:20:30 – Connect with Chris online
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Sarah Calhoun – Community Building Through Commerce

Sarah Calhoun

Sarah Calhoun is the founder and owner of Red Ants Pants, a Montana-based apparel company that makes high-quality, American-made workwear for women. But Sarah’s business ventures are just the tip of the iceberg—she also started the Red Ants Pants Music Festival, which attracts world-class musicians like Dwight Yoakam and Lucinda Williams. The proceeds from the music festival support Sarah’s third venture, the Red Ants Pants Foundation, an organization dedicated to developing women’s leadership, supporting local farms and ranches, and enriching communities. It’s simply amazing that one person can do this much work!

Sarah was raised on a farm in New England, and spent her early career working as an instructor for Outward Bound. After reading Ivan Doig’s This House of Sky, she packed up and moved to Montana, where she began to turn her idea for Red Ants Pants into a reality. She learned to sew, taught herself the basics of the apparel business, and eventually moved to the small agricultural community of White Sulphur Springs, where Red Ants Pants opened for business. As you’ll hear, selling pants is just one aspect of Sarah’s larger vision—she’s using her company to build community, empower women, and bring together people of differing perspectives and backgrounds.

We had a very interesting conversation, and you’ll be blown away by Sarah’s focus, vision, and the staggering amount she has been able to accomplish. She talks about growing up in New England, and how her family helped to instill her relentless work ethic. She discusses her time teaching at Outward Bound, and how many of the lessons learned in that role have translated to her business. We chat about how the Red Ants Pants business model flies in the face of traditional MBA theories, and how her lack of business experience was actually a strength when starting the company. We also talk about how hard work in the outdoors builds self-confidence, as well as her future plans for the foundation. And as usual, we discuss impactful books, films, and the best advice she’s ever received.

This is a great episode, and I know you’ll enjoy it.  There’s a lot here, so be sure to check the episode notes for links to all that we discuss.  Enjoy!

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Episode Notes

Topics Discussed:

2:45 – How Sarah describes her work
3:55 – Sarah’s personal and professional background
6:00 – Approaching outdoor companies with the idea for Red Ants Pants
6:55 – Moving to White Sulphur Springs
8:40 – The influence of Ivan Doig’s writing
9:45 – Joining the community of White Sulphur Springs
12:00 – Importance of community for Sarah
13:10 – Sarah’s childhood career aspirations
14:20 – Outward Bound
18:00 – Laying the foundation for Red Ants Pants
20:45 – History of Sarah’s work ethic
22:00 – Weathering the financial crisis
25:10 – Sarah’s daily routines
27:45 – Lessons learned over the years
29:35 – Working to expand her comfort zone
31:20 – Red Ants Pants Music Festival
37:20 – Red Ants Pants Foundation
39:30 – Value of hard work in the outdoors
42:55 – Foundation success stories
45:45 – Future plans for the foundation
47:00 – Heroes and mentors
49:50 – Advantages of little business experience
51:00 – Favorite books
53:30 – Favorite films
54:35 – Hobbies
55:20 – Favorite international travel spots
56:00 – Most powerful outdoor experience
58:00 – Favorite location in the West
58:45 – Best advice ever received
59:50 – Request of the listeners
1:00:40 – Story of the name “Red Ants Pants”
1:01:00 – Connect with Sarah online
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“How Do You Read So Many Books?”

“How Do You Read So Many Books?”


That’s a question I get all the time, but the reality is I don’t think I read all that much. Even when he was president, Theodore Roosevelt read a book a day. Author Ryan Holiday plows through more books in one month than I do in four. So if I can read 40 books in a year, I consider that a relatively good effort.

There’s no secret “hack,” and no, I don’t speed read. But if I can force myself to follow the guidelines below, I’m able to enjoy a respectable number of books each year.

  1. Stash Books Everywhere – Wherever I am, I keep books within reach. One in my truck, one in my work bag, a pile on my bedside table, several around the house. That way, if I have a free moment, there’s no excuse for not reading a few pages here and there. Over time, those few pages add up to several books per year.
  2. Shun the Phone – This is the crux. No matter how interesting my stack of need-to-read books is, the distraction machine in my pocket is much more enticing to my monkey mind. Deleting social media apps, switching the phone on grayscale, installing apps such as Forest or Moment, or just turning the damn thing off helps. Truthfully, using my phone responsibly without falling prey to electronic attention theft is one of my biggest challenges, both for reading and life in general.
  3. No Brain Numbing – I avoid booze and Colorado’s finest flora, which theoretically allows me to be alert right up until I fall asleep and not abnormally groggy in the morning. Both are opportune times of day to read in uninterrupted stretches.
  4. Zen for Non-Hippies – Since 2012 I’ve tried my best to meditate daily for a minimum of 20 minutes. As I’ve racked up hundreds of hours “on the cushion” (or in my case, in a plain-old chair), my capacity to concentrate has significantly increased. Even more telling, when I fall off the meditation wagon for more than a few days, I notice my ability and desire to read suffer greatly.
  5. Kill the Idiot Box – My wife and I cut the cable cord years ago and just recently built bookshelves in our living room, which relegated the TV to a dark corner of the basement. Similar to the iPhone, most of the time I find TV a distraction that adds little long-term value to my life. When we want to watch a movie or game, we do so on our laptop via Hulu, Amazon, or Netflix. (I recently binged on a full season of Stranger Things when I was sick. So good.)
  6. Hair-Trigger Eject Button – If I find myself getting bogged down or not enjoying a book, I immediately quit reading it and move on to the next one. I did enough plodding through boring bullshit in college, so I’d rather not do that in my free time as an adult. But just because I eject a book doesn’t mean I’m done with it for good—some of my favorite books are ones that I once found boring, then rediscovered with great interest years later.
  7. Envision Mañana – Whether it’s reading, exercise, or cold showers, my first instinct is usually “Nah, I’ll do that later. I need to check my email.” But if I can momentarily pause and ask myself “Tomorrow, what will I wish I had done right now?,” the answer is almost always run/crank the water to cold/pick up the book. It’s simple, but far from easy. The more I focus on guideline #4, the easier this seems to be.

I obviously love reading, and my life has improved significantly thanks to the knowledge gained from books. But checking books off a list is not my end goal. The ultimate goals are to use my time wisely, set a good example for my family, and be content with myself—the ability to concentrate and read is simply a result of making progress toward those larger goals.

When reading consistently, I’m being proactive and not wasting time. When my reading trails off, it’s usually a sign that there is a larger problem at hand (e.g. too much time playing on the stupid iPhone.) To use a worn-out cliche, reading is the ol’ canary in the coal mine.

With the exception of #1 and #6, these guidelines apply to a whole host of other high-priority life activities—work, running, getting up early, or things that really matter like spending quality, non-distracted time with my family.

Speaking of books, here are a few that have shaped my thinking on shunning distraction, the importance of focus, setting priorities, and the resulting ability to read a lot.




Becca Skinner – Pursuing Her Passions in the West

Becca Skinner

Becca Skinner is a Bozeman-based photographer, writer, and adventurer whose work has taken her to some of the farthest corners of the globe. Growing up between Colorado and Wyoming, Becca was raised by adventurous and supportive parents who nurtured her love of the outdoors and her artistic endeavors. As a young woman, Becca’s genuine interest in social work and helping the less fortunate led to her winning grants to photograph post-Katrina New Orleans and post-tsunami Sumatra. Those experiences, and the body of work they produced, allowed Becca to pursue her passion of photography full time, and her career continues to grow and evolve in exciting ways.

As you’ll hear, Becca has been willing to be single-mindedly focused and take calculated risks to “make it” as a professional photographer. When she did not win a National Geographic Young Explorers Grant the first time she applied, she dusted herself off, re-focused her efforts, and was successful on her second try. After saving enough money, she struck out alone on a 32,000-mile road trip through the American West, living in her car, honing her craft, and continuing to build her portfolio. She has devised methods for staying positive in immensely uncomfortable situations, such as a cold, wet expedition in Vancouver’s coastal backcountry, which we discuss in detail. Despite her success, Becca remains humble and down to earth, and we had a very fun conversation.

We covered a wide range of subjects– we discussed her childhood in the West and how her family played such a formative role in shaping her career and life. We chatted about her experiences in New Orleans and Sumatra, and how the disaster victims’ attitudes toward the catastrophes varied so widely. We discussed her first road trip throughout the West and how she handled being alone for such long stretches. We also talked about the importance of having solid expedition teammates and the challenges of integrating back into day-to-day life after an intense trip. And of course, we covered favorite books, films, and the best advice she’s ever received.

If you don’t already, be sure to follow Becca on Instagram and other social media. Links to everything are in the episode notes. Enjoy!

Photo mentioned by Becca at 1:03:00

Header photo courtesy of Becca Skinner


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Topics Discussed:

2:50 – How Becca describes her work
3:25 – How Becca describes her photography
4:00 – Growing up in the West
5:15 – Early experiences in the outdoors with her parents
7:30 – First interest in photography
8:40 – Interest in social work and outdoor therapy
11:15 – Post-Katrina New Orleans and takeaways
16:00 – Nat Geo Young Explorers Grant
20:00 – Experience in Sumatra
21:30 – Different attitudes between New Orleans and Sumatra crisis responses
24:00 – Considering photography as a career
25:00 – Leaving on the 32,000-mile road trip
26:15 – Becca’s supportive parents
28:00 – Solitary time in Yosemite
33:20 – Early career
36:30 – End of the road trip
39:15 – Settling in Bozeman
41:20 – Wolves and Yellowstone
44:10 – Spending more nights outdoors than indoors
46:45 – Keeping a positive attitude in tough conditions
48:30 – Picking expedition partners
50:15 – Hardest expedition
53:20 – Being Here film
55:20 – Importance of public lands
57:50 – Favorite books
59:45 – Favorite films
1:00:50 – Unexpected hobbies
1:02:45 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:04:15 – Favorite location in the West
1:06:00 – Request of the listeners
1:07:05 – Connect with Becca online
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Brendan Leonard – Grinding It Out

Brendan Leonard

Brendan Leonard is a writer and creative whose stories about adventure in wild places have built him a loyal following in the outdoor world and beyond. Whether it’s writing for his blog Semi-Rad, authoring eight books, or making films such as his recent How to Run 100 Miles Brendan combines humor, introspection, and skilled storytelling in an authentic way that strikes a chord with a wide range of audiences. But as you’ll hear, Brendan’s secret ingredient to success in his creative pursuits is his ability to consistently focus in and grind out the hard work, week after week, year after year.

Brendan is an Iowa native who moved West to attend journalism school at the University of Montana. After struggling with alcohol addiction in his youth, the West’s wide-open spaces brought Brendan a much-needed change of scenery and the opportunity for a fresh start. What started as short hikes around Missoula transformed into an all-in obsession with rock climbing that eventually led to writing gigs with Outside, Men’s Journal, Alpinist, and other well-known publications. Brendan is a shining example of how persistence, hard work, and a willingness to bet on yourself can lead to a fulfilling life and career doing what you love.

We had a wide-ranging, fun, and hilarious conversation about his life and career, and we also managed to wander into a few completely unexpected topics. We chatted about Brendan’s “all-or-nothing” personality, and the challenges and rewards associated with being wired that way. We discussed his ability to focus on the process rather than the goal, and how that approach is beneficial when creating or pursuing an outdoor objective. We obviously talked about climbing, but also discussed ultramarathons, specifically his recent experience running a 103-mile race through the Colorado mountains. And as you’ve come to expect, we covered favorite books, films, and a long list of other interesting topics.

This interview was so much fun, and I really appreciate Brendan having me over to chat. I highly recommend his books 60 Meters to Anywhere and Make It Till You Make It, so be sure to check those out..  Also, watch his film “How To Run 100 Miles”– I’ve watched a ton of ultrarunning films, and this one is my favorite.  Check the episode notes for links to all of this and more. Hope you enjoy!

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Topics Discussed:

2:55 – How Brendan describes his work
4:00 – Growing up in Iowa
4:55 – Writing for the college newspaper
6:00 – Applying to journalism schools
7:45 – Falling in love with the outdoors in Montana
10:10 – Discovering rock climbing
12:00 – Deep thoughts on booze
15:35 – Soakers and non-soakers
18:30 – Lessons learned from endurance adventures
21:00 – Importance of process over goals
23:40 – The reality of the creative life
24:40 – Story of Semi-Rad
29:00 – The need for a grinding mentality
32:00 – Strategies for the new media landscape
33:10 – Brendan’s creative hustle
35:30 – Focusing on the art versus the bottomline
36:30 – Today’s work ethic versus five years ago
38:00 – Brendan’s daily routine
40:00 – Creating illustrations
41:35 – Other creatives that inspire Brendan
44:15 – Film inspiration
47:00 – Revisiting old work
49:00 – Dealing with reviews and online feedback
53:00 – Managing social media
55:15 – Importance of public lands and conservation
1:03:00 – Favorite books about the West
1:09:00 – Favorite films
1:12:45 – Surprising activities
1:14:30 – Most powerful outdoor experience
1:18:50 – Favorite location in the West
1:22:00 – Best piece of advice ever recieved
1:27:00 – Request of the listeners
1:29:15 – Connect with Brendan online
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Jason Rich – The Humility and Hard Work of Creativity

Jason Rich

Jason Rich is a Utah-based artist whose extraordinary paintings of life in the American West have made him one of the most popular and respected working artists today. Throughout his 20-year career, Jason has won countless awards and is represented by some of the most prestigious galleries in the West. But what is more telling is the respect and admiration he has earned from many of his cowboy artist contemporaries– as you’ll hear, Jason is amazingly humble, gracious, and grateful for his career in professional art.

Growing up in Idaho, art has been a central part of Jason’s life for as long as he can remember. He was formally educated as an artist, and immediately after graduate school, he committed himself fully to painting professionally. Thanks to his focus, work ethic, and the support of his wife, Jason was able to carve out a niche for himself in the competitive world of Western art. Two decades later, Jason’s popularity continues to grow, which is partly a product of his constant drive to push outside his comfort zone and mature as an artist.

Jason and I had a fun conversation, and we dug into the many aspects of his life as an artist, family man, and admirer of the American West. We discussed his upbringing in Idaho, and how he developed the confidence and skills to go directly from grad school to professional art. We chatted about his techniques for challenging himself as an artist and how his work has evolved over the last two decades.  We also talked about his association with the prestigious Cowboy Artists of America, and how spending time with other talented artists has influenced his work. We covered mentors, favorite books, favorite artists, and much more, so be sure to check out the episode notes for a complete list of everything discussed.

Thanks again to Jason for taking the time to chat. Hope you enjoy!

All images courtesy of Jason Rich

 


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Topics Discussed:

2:20 – How Jason describes his work
3:35 – How Jason describes his art
4:50 – Jason’s childhood
5:40 – Family history in the West
7:00 – Early memories of art
9:30 – Education in art education
10:30 – Decision to pursue art full time
11:00 – Graduate school
12:00 – Transition to professional artist
14:30 – What gave Jason the confidence to pursue art
17:00 – When did Jason know he had “made it” as an artist
21:30 – Jason’s daily routine
25:00 – Jason’s need to push himself artistically
28:55 – Artists that have influenced Jason’s work
31:40 – Humbleness + Discontent
32:20 – Cowboy Artists of America
34:25 – Ensuring historical accuracy
37:40 – Unchanged nature of ranching through the ages
38:10 – Changes in Jason’s art over the last 15 years
42:40 – Approaching art as a business
46:50 – Advice to his younger year old self
49:15 – Favorite books
50:50 – Favorite films
52:45 – Other hobbies
54:55 – Most powerful outdoor experience
56:20 – Favorite place in the West
57:40 – Best advice ever received
58:30 – Request of the listeners
59:45 – Connect with Jason online
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Words of Wisdom for Anyone Who Loves the West

This article originally appeared on Palmer Land Trust’s blog as part of their #CelebrateLand campaign.

Ed’s Story: Words of Wisdom for Anyone Who Loves the West

Toward the end of each of my podcast episodes, I ask guests if they’d like to make a request of the listeners, impart words of wisdom, or offer advice. Because the podcast revolves around the landscapes and people of the American West, almost every guest provides sage guidance that, if followed, would surely make the West an even better place– conservation, open-mindedness, curiosity, and a general respect for the land and our neighbors are common themes. Since I’m the host, I rarely interject my opinions, but I have thought long and hard about how I would answer this question.

My request to anyone who loves the West is simple: Go outside and have an adventure.

I grew up far from the Rocky Mountains, on the flat, sandy coastal plain of eastern North Carolina. Much of my childhood was spent knee-deep in a creek that bisected my neighborhood, catching frogs, building dams, and constructing forts from downed trees. Those foundational backyard hijinks evolved into more substantial adventures in my teens, including rafting the Grand Canyon with my dad and trudging up Mt. Yale during a high school leadership retreat in Colorado. The adventures intensified through my 20s and 30s, and much to my delight, they have now reached a point of ridiculousness beyond what any reasonable person would consider “fun.”

While I’ve always been keenly focused on ticking outdoor goals off my list, I have recently come to understand the much-more-valuable impact of decades spent in the outdoors. Without my realizing it, the outdoors– specifically the wide-open landscapes of the American West– had become the central thread that connected almost every meaningful aspect of my life.

Experiences in wild places had shaped my value system, affected my career choices, helped me forge deep friendships, and allowed me to expand my physical and mental limits. My personal goals, political views, hobbies, and even reading habits were all heavily influenced by open space. Without this love of land, I would not have met my wife, and our daughter would not have been born. Other than the invaluable relationships with my parents and sister, every important element of my life is a product of time spent in wild places.

That realization a few years ago changed my perspective on the importance of protecting public and private landscapes. I no longer viewed land as a vehicle through which I could generate income, but rather a precious, non-renewable resource that should be stewarded with the utmost respect. My definition of progress was flipped on its head. The “legacy of conquest” that has defined the West for so long became unappealing (to say the least), and I began to align myself with people and organizations committed to a legacy of sustainability. Given this newfound awareness, I had no choice but to focus more of my time and energy toward protecting and stewarding the land.

History shows that without a counterbalance, unfettered economic interests will exhaust natural resources. The land will not protect itself, which is exactly why the work of Palmer Land Trust and other conservation organizations is so vital. I encourage you to find a group working to protect a place you love, then help them out however you can.

At the very least, go outside. Have an adventure, whether that’s catching a frog or running 100 miles through the mountains. It will change your life for the better.


To learn more about Palmer Land Trust and the important work it is doing to conserve Colorado’s open spaces, check out this video or visit the PLT website.

Book Club Selection: “All the Wild That Remains” by David Gessner

March-April Book Club Selection: “All the Wild That Remains” by David Gessner


When I’ve asked podcast guests to named their favorite books, time and again they reference titles by Wallace Stegner and Edward Abbey. No matter your political persuasion, occupation, or personal background, if you love the West, you’ve likely been influenced by at least one of these men’s work. Love them or hate them, these two men have defined much of the modern-day narrative surrounding the American West.

On the surface, the two men couldn’t have been more different. Abbey was by most accounts a hard-drinking, womanizing, take-no-prisoners environmental warrior who would consider any means, no matter how nefarious, to achieve his desired ends. Stegner was just the opposite—a proper, dignified Stanford college professor who expressed his love for western landscapes in a much more measured, within-social-norms approach. Fascinating men who were as personally complicated as they were influential.  

We need to learn more about them! So the March-April book club selection is:

All The Wild That Remains: Edward Abbey, Wallace Stegner, and the American West by David Gessner

All the Wild That Remains is a double biography of the two men, written by the ultra-talented (and ultra-hilarious) David Gessner. Gessner not only provides the basic, expected biographical narrative, but also thoroughly analyzes the contradictions and complexities of the two men. I read the book two years ago* and absolutely loved it. It opened my eyes to just how thoroughly Stegner and Abbey have infiltrated all aspects of thought regarding the modern-day West. It also reminded me that no person is as simple as their manicured public image. (*My wife and I are expecting our second child in the next three weeks, so I picked a book I could revisit rather than try to read for the first time while in a sleep deprived stupor!)

It’s worth nothing that Gessner is a proud environmentalist, so some of his ideas on the development of the West and its resources may come across to some as a bit biased. But we’re all biased in one way or another, so I’d recommend approaching the book with an open mind, just as you did with American Wolf.

For further reference, here’s an informative book review from the Wall Street Journal. It gives a solid overview of what you can expect. I’m very excited to discuss with all of you and hear your reactions to Gessner, Stegner, Abbey, and their roles in the West!


If you’d like to participate:

  • Grab a copy of All the Wild that Remains—purchase it from Amazon or your local bookseller, or check it out from your local library. Start reading.
  • Head over to our Goodreads Group. Create an account, then join in the conversation in the online discussion forum. As you read, give your feedback on the book, pose questions to the group, and share your first-hand experience reading Stegner and Abbey. The only way this works is with lot of participation from lots of people, so the more the better.
  • Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement on Goodreads regarding a live online discussion of the book via Google Hangouts. The number of video participants will be limited to 25, but any number of people can interact with the discussion by typing. This event will likely happen at the end of April, and I will set the exact date and time early that month.

Mountain & Prairie Book Club – Goodreads Group

 


Not interested in Stegner, Abbey, or All the Wild That Remains? Then get started on the May-June Book Club selection: The Big Burn: Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire That Saved America by Timothy Egan.  This book will be read in conjunction with the Diablo Trust Book Club, a well-established book club facilitated by Diablo Trust, an Arizona land conservation organization. More details will be announced in early May.

Jim Howell, Part II – Restoring Ecological Capital Through Grazing

Jim Howell

Longtime listeners of the podcast will definitely remember my first interview with Jim Howell—he is a rancher and CEO of Grasslands LLC, a progressive ranch management company with operations in the American West, Florida, and New Zealand. Jim was also a co-founder of the Savory Institute, a non-profit organization that espouses the use of holistic planned grazing to restore healthy grasslands around the world. Having worked close to the land his entire career, Jim has a fascinating personal and professional backstory, so I encourage you to listen to our first episode, if you haven’t already.

Knowing that many Mountain & Prairie podcast listeners either work in ranching or are interested in holistic ranch management, Jim and I decided to have a second conversation focused on more of the nitty gritty details of his process for managing ranches. We discuss a wide range of topics, from how Jim and his investors identify ranches as potential acquisitions to their methods for increasing stocking rates while simultaneously improving the health of the grass. We discuss the intense, focused planning that goes into each operation, and Jim explains how his grazing process translates into increased biodiversity and improved ecological health of the entire landscape. This conversation is like a college class in ranch management, only much more fun and engaging.

Cinch Buckle Ranch

Our conversation revolves around two of Grasslands’ eastern Montana ranches—the 53,000+/- acre Antelope Springs Ranch and the 38,000+/- acre Cinch Buckle Ranch. My Mirr Ranch Group colleague Duffy Brown and I are working with Jim to market both of these ranches, so we’re familiar with the operations and landscapes and understand the amazing results that Jim and his team have been able to achieve. Both ranches serve as excellent case studies of how holistic management can bolster the health of the grass, increase profitability, and be a true winning proposition for the land, animals, and all other stakeholders.

Antelope Springs Ranch

Even if you don’t have a specific interest in ranches or grasslands, you’ll still get a lot out of this episode. Jim has very wise answers to some of the quick questions that I didn’t ask during our first interview, and he offers plenty of great book recommendations, including one book that Jim thinks every college freshman should read. The episode is packed with great information, so don’t forget to check the episode notes. Jim is a hardworking, curious, humble, and smart guy who has managed to create a fulfilling career that’s making the world a better place, so I know you’ll enjoy the conversation.

All photos courtesy of Jim Howell & Grasslands LLC


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Topics Discussed:

3:00 – How Jim describes his work
5:20 – Overview of the Savory Institute and Grasslands
8:40 – Grasslands’ work in the northern Great Plains ranches
10:40 – Traits of successful ranches that are common across many geographies
12:25 – Cool season grasses of the Northern Great Plains
15:15 – Importance of water on Great Plains ranches
16:20 – Benefits of being in marginal wheat production territory
19:25 – History of the cattle business on the Great Plains
23:30 – Resilience of eastern Montana’s landscape
24:30 – Increasing stocking rates
26:00 – Increasing grassland health on the ranches
27:10 – Techniques for increasing stocking rates
31:55 – Allowing for sufficient recovery without under-grazing
34:00 – The extra intellectual effort of planned grazing
36:45 – Compounding consequences of decisions on a grazing season
39:00- The hard lessons of experience
39:45 – Specific tools for managing grazing
45:10 – Evolution of mapping during Jim’s career
46:00 – Improvements to Cinch Buckle and Antelope Springs Ranches
48:45 – Ability to generate profits AND replenishing ecological capital
53:30 – Ranches as an investment for a non-ranching buyers
55:00 – Full-care grazing versus owning cattle
1:00:30 – Upward trajectory of both ranches
1:02:00 – Importance of relationships with local government entities
1:04:10 – What Jim looks for in employees
1:07:30 – Specific books about grass and holistic ranching
1:11:00 – Best book Jim has read in the last year
1:13:45 – Favorite book of all time
1:16:20 – Best piece of advice Jim’s ever received
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