Nickolas Butler – The Craft of Creativity
Nickolas Butler is an award-winning writer and novelist who has published five books, one of which is the wildly popular, award-winning Shotgun Love Songs. His most recent novel is titled Godspeed— a fast-paced, thriller of a book that is set in and around Jackson Hole, Wyoming. While the novel has all of the components that make for a great story– action, suspense, wild landscapes, complex characters– it also touches on many of the challenges facing the modern-day West, including income inequality and rural gentrification. From the first page of Godspeed, I was hooked, and I stayed up way too late for several nights in a row finishing the book.
For all of Nick’s accomplishments as a novelist, his path to becoming a full-time writer was not an easy one, nor was he an overnight success. He spent many years working a variety of jobs, including as a telemarketer, meatpacker, and Burger King maintenance man. And as you’ll hear him discuss in this conversation, it was during his stint working as a liquor store clerk that he decided to fully commit to the craft and profession of writing. Fast forward to today, and his focus, commitment, and hard work have paid off– not only is he a successful full-time writer, but also a devoted husband and father of two.
Nick and I recorded this conversation just a few days after the publication of Godspeed. I was lucky enough to read an advanced copy of the book prior to our conversation, and I can’t say enough great things about it. So we obviously talked a lot about the book– his process for writing it, how the book highlights present-day challenges facing the West, and how he went about developing the plot and the characters. We discussed his journey as a writer and artist– how and why he views writing as a craft, the importance of hard work, and how he keeps his competitive fire burning, even after experiencing so much success. We also talk a lot about family and community, which are two subjects that Nick and I are both very passionate about. And finally, Nick offers up a ton of excellent book and author recommendations, as well as some wise parting words.
Big thanks to the great writer, angler, and past podcast guest Chris Dombrowski for introducing me to Nick. Check the episode notes for the full list of everything we discuss and links to all of the books and authors that nick mentions. And I encourage you to pick up a copy of Godspeed— you’ll love it.
Photos courtesy of Nickolas Butler
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:00 – Nickolas compares his most recent book release with his first release.
- 9:30 – Nickolas discusses how he handles reviews of his work
- 13:45 – Nickolas explains how he balances creating art with treating writing as a job, like a craftmaker
- 16:00 – Nickolas discusses his most recent novel, Godspeed, and how the story came to him
- 21:00 – Nickolas talks about the process of a story gathering in his mind, and generally how long it takes.
- 22:30 – Nickolas discusses how he comes to know a place to write about it so well.
- 25:45 – Nickolas reads a passage from Godspeed and explores the challenges surrounding housing in the West and beyond.
- 32:00 – Nickolas explores the way he crafts stories in his writing, and how it leads to empathy in his most recent novel.
- 36:45 – Nickolas describes the role of meth and addiction in Godspeed.
- 38:30 – Nickolas talks through the pace and process of writing Godspeed.
- 41:15 – Nickolas discusses some of his current projects.
- 42:45 – Nickolas looks back on his career before being a writer.
- 49:30 – Nickolas discusses his transition from early career to writing career.
- 52:15 – Nickolas talks about how he keeps his “fire going” in his career.
- 55:00 – Nickolas talks about teaching work ethic to his children.
- 58:00 – Nickolas identifies his literary icons.
- 1:00:45 – Nickolas’s favorite books about the West.
- 1:03:00 – Nickolas’s parting words of wisdom.
Information Referenced:
- Nickolas Butler
- Chris Dombrowski
- Marcus Burke
- Pretty Woman
- Coldplay
- James Ellen McPhearson
- Peter Heller
- Michael Perry
- Eau Claire, WI
- Jackson, WY
- Lord of the Flies
- John Larison
- Upper Arkansas River Valley
- Ethan Canin
- Pushed Out: Contested Development and Rural Gentrification in the US West
- The Eau Claire Leader Telegram
- Oscar Mayer
- Rick Bass
- Stephen King
- Marilyn Robinson
- Jim Harrison
- The UP (Upper Peninsula)
- Annie Proulx
- Tom McGowen
- Legends of the Fall
- Treasure of the Sierra Madre
- Ken Kesey
- CJ Box
- David James Duncan
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West
- Peter Heller – Chasing the Flow
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Hampton Sides – Live at the Aspen Institute
- David Gessner, Part 2 – Ambition, Art, and Arête
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West
- Alexis Bonogofsky – Taking a Stand for the West
- Monte Burke – Exploring Obsession
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
Nicole Morgenthau – Curiosity & Creativity
Nicole Morgenthau – Curiosity & Creativity
Nicole Morgenthau is a Utah-based professional photographer whose work depicts the people and places of the American West in a completely unique, one-of-a-kind style. While she has been involved in many aspects of the photography business throughout her career, Nicole may be best known for her portraits of a wide range of western characters– from cowgirls to mountain men, from professional athletes to mountain-town ski bums. And her creative pursuits don’t stop with photography– Nicole is also the owner of Sandstone Sky Jewelry, a business in which she makes and curates a variety of stunning jewelry, much of which has its creative roots in Native American culture.
Nicole was born and raised on the east coast, just outside of New York City. As a kid, she loved western movies and dreamed of moving out of the humid New Jersey suburbs and into wide-open, arid landscapes of the American West. After high school, she made the move West for college, first in Colorado and then to Montana State, where she studied photography. And immediately after graduating, she dove headfirst into the photography business, first as an assistant to several commercial photographers and then as her own boss. Since then, her work has been featured by well-known brands such as Patagonia, Outside, Men’s Journal, the New York Times, and more.
Nicole and I connected a few weeks ago and had an insightful discussion about everything from the photography business to jewelry making to overcoming creative blocks. We started out by discussing her childhood in New Jersey, her desire to move West, and how she decided to take that leap. We then talked about her journey as a professional photographer– the ups and downs, the evolution of the business, and how she found her voice as a portrait photographer. We talked about her jewelry business and how it compliments photography, both creatively and financially. And toward the end, she offers up some excellent music recommendations, wise parting words, and an inspiring quote from Anthony Bourdain that I think you’ll appreciate.
Be sure the check the episode notes for links to all the people and places Nicole mentions. This was a fun chat, and I hope you enjoy.
All photos by Nicole Morgenthau
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:30 – Growing up in New Jersey
- 5:30 – First trip to the West
- 7:30 – Decision to attend college in the West
- 9:00 – Childhood beginnings in art and creativity
- 10:45 – Nicoles first years in professional photography
- 12:30 – Working as an assistant
- 14:00 – Going out on her own
- 18:00 – Importance of toughness
- 19:00 – Finding her “voice” as a photographer
- 24:00 – What’s the key to good portrait photography
- 26:30 – Photography influences
- 28:45 – The evolution of her photography
- 31:30 – Nicole’s jewelry business, Sandstone Sky Jewelry
- 37:00 – Inspiring interactions while making jewelry
- 39:30 – Techniques for remaining calm despite being Type A
- 42:000 – Musical influences
- 45:00 – Advice to aspiring creatives
- 50:00 – Upside of education and workshops
- 54:00 – Parting words of wisdom
- 59:30 – Parting quote
Information Referenced:
- Nicole Morgenthau
- Sandstone Sky Jewelry
- Andy Anderson
- Mountain Man Rendevouz
- Edward Curtis
- Sally Mann
- Mark Tucker
- Chris Douglas
- Chris Douglas podcast episode
- Shiprock, NM
- Navajo Nation
- Cody Jinks
- Avett Brothers
- Macduff Everton
- Four Corners
- Anthony Bourdain
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Chris Douglas – An Unexpected Artistic Journey
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Anna Brones – Committed to Creativity
- Jillian Lukiwski – Art and Adventure in the American West
- Jessica Ilalaole – Creating Home in the High Desert
- Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less
- Ivan McClellan – A New Look at the Old West
- Iris Gardner – Living with Intention
Adam Gall – A Reverence for Wildlife & Wild Places
Adam Gall is a hunting guide and owner of Timber to Table Guide Service, a guiding company focused on helping hunters of all skill levels put wild, healthy, and delicious meat on their tables. Based out of the small town of Hotchkiss on Colorado’s Western Slope, Timber to Table offers multi-day hunts on both public and private lands, offering top-notch instruction on everything from the intricacies of elk hunting to the technical skills needed to properly and efficiently process the meat. Adam is highly regarded by many of my friends and past podcast guests and praised as an outside-the-box thinker, so I’m thrilled to finally have him join me for a conversation.
Adam’s professional background gives him a unique perspective on wildlife, land management, and wild places in the American West– he worked as a wildland firefighter, a wolf biologist, and a high school science teacher before devoting himself to full-time guiding. He has also been involved in a variety of volunteer initiatives, ranging from leadership positions with groups like Backcountry Hunters and Anglers to advisory roles on issues such as the wolf reintroduction in Colorado. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Adam thinks deeply and independently on a wide range of land and wildlife issues, and he offers his ideas respectfully and thoughtfully– something we could all use a little more of these days.
I connected with Adam while he was on a family vacation in rural Montana, and we had a wide-ranging conversation that we probably could’ve continued for hours. We started out chatting about his upbringing in Michigan and how he fell in love with hunting despite coming from a family of non-hunters. We talked about Timber to Table– how the guide service came to be, the challenges of running his own business, and his commitment to ethical hunting practices. We talked a lot about wolves and the wolf reintroduction in Colorado, and Adam offered some new thoughts that differ from some of my past podcast guests. He also describes the skills needed to be a great hunter, recommends some of his favorite books, and offers some wise parting words.
This was a thought-provoking conversation that provided a new perspective for me on several important topics, so I hope you enjoy it.
Photo courtesy of Adam Gall
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:30 – Adam talks about where he grew up
- 9:45 – Adam explains how hunting became a part of his life
- 12:30 – Adam describes his guide service, Timber to Table Guided Service, which provides an educational and holistic hunting and butchering experience
- 19:30 – Adam talks about balancing his work and home life
- 23:30 – Adam talks about how he got into wolf biology prior to his guiding work and dives into the controversy that surrounds them
- 39:15 – Adam discusses his role in the Stakeholder Advisory Group as a part of Colorado Parks and Wildlife’s wolf reintroduction work
- 44:30 – Adam’s resources for learning more about wolves
- 47:00 – Adam gives advice on how to get started in hunting
- 52:45 – Adam discusses what makes an excellent hunter
- 57:15 – Adam’s book recommendations
- 1:02:30 – Adam’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Timber to Table Guide Service
- Chris Dombrowski
- Callan Wink
- Steven Rinella
- Sagebrush Rebellion
- Lolo Pass
- Nez Perce Tribe
- Mike Phillips
- Ted Turner
- Colorado wolf reintroduction legislation (CO Proposition 114)
- Carter Niemeyer
- Mike Jiminez
- Doug Smith
- Dan Flores
- Rick Bass
- Dave Meches
- Carter Niemeyer
- Randy Newberg
- Cory Jacobsen
- Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
- R3 Programs
- Barry Lopez
- Chris Dombrowski
- James Galvin
- Allan Eckert
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
- Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West
- Mike Phillips – Audacious Goals, Relentless Action
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Gabe Vasquez – Advocate for Equity in the Outdoors
- Mark Kenyon – A Passion for Public Lands
- Becca Aceto – Forging Her Own Path in the West
- Rachel VandeVoort – Harnessing the Power of Outdoor Recreation
John Branch – Seeking the Extraordinary in the Ordinary
John Branch is a Pulitzer-prize-winning journalist with the New York Times and the author of the brand new book Sidecountry: Tales of Death and Life from the Back Roads of Sports. He is also the author of The Last Cowboys: A Pioneer Family in the New West, which is one of my favorite books about the modern-day challenges facing ranching families in the American West. Whether he’s reporting on the historic ascent of the Dawn Wall on Yosemite’s El Capitan, reconstructing a deadly avalanche in the Washington backcountry, or describing the financial realities of the cattle ranching business, John’s has one of the most unique and engaging voices you’ll find anywhere in print.
Growing up in Colorado, John never had serious childhood dreams about a career in writing or journalism. He studied business at CU Boulder and graduated fully focused on pursuing jobs in the business world. But after several years of building a successful career with retail-focused companies, John found himself dreaming of a career as a writer. So, in the mid-1990s, with minimal writing experience under his belt, he applied to graduate school, was accepted, and officially began his journey as a journalist. Fast forward to 2013, and John won the Pulitzer Prize for his New York Times article titled Snow Fall: The Avalanche at Tunnel Creek.
In our modern-day, frenetic world that is overflowing with articles and information, I’ve found that John’s work rises above the fray and sticks with me for many years after my first reading. While he has reported on many well-known sports figures such as Tommy Caldwell or even Kobe Bryant, John says he enjoys finding meaning in less-flashy tales, telling the stories of “ordinary people tangled up in something extraordinary.” So in this conversation, we talk about his commitment to uncovering these little-known stories– from his on-the-ground reporting to his process of sitting down at the keyboard to write. We also dig into some of his favorite outdoor-related stories, his new book Sidecountry and his older book The Last Cowboys, and his unconventional path into journalism. We talk about reporting from the top of El Capitan, his process of writing Snow Fall, his heroes and mentors, and much more. Finally, John offers up some great book and music recommendations, and well as timely advice for aspiring creatives.
I’ve been a fan of John’s for many years, so I can’t thank him enough for taking the time to chat with me. I encourage you to find copies of Sidecountry and The Last Cowboys, and keep an eye out for everything he writes for the Times. Check the notes for links to everything we discuss. Hope you enjoy!
Photo courtesy of John Branch
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:30 – John discusses his childhood, education, and career shift from business to journalism
- 10:00 – John discusses his family’s reaction to his change in career
- 11:15 – John explains how he ended up in Colorado Springs
- 12:00 – John describes his climb through the journalism world
- 14:30 – John explains how he caught the attention of the New York Times
- 16:30 – John explains why he feels his career transition worked
- 19:00 – John describes the kind of stories he looks to tell in his writing and how he knows when there is a story in front of him worth digging into
- 25:00 – John explains how he builds trust with the subjects of his stories
- 27:00 – John describes his most recent book, Side County
- 32:15 – John describes his writing process
- 38:30 – John describes his editing process and explains how he still gets nervous about submitting his work
- 43:15 – John talks about the importance of journalism now more than ever
- 46:15 – John talks about how he manages the constant influx of information in his job
- 48:45 – John talks about his ideal writing environment
- 50:00 – John identifies several of his writing heroes/role models
- 53:00 – John talks about how he differentiates between which stories should be told in articles and which should be told in books
- 56:15 – John discusses his musical tastes
- 59:00 – John’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- John Branch
- John on Twitter and Instagram
- Sidecountry: Tales of Death and Life from the Back Roads of Sports
- The Last Cowboys: A Pioneer Family in the New West
- Zima
- Colorado Springs Gazette
- New York Times
- Snow Fall
- Stevens Pass
- ‘Battling’ Up a Sheer Yosemite Face, Seizing a Dream, Not a Rope
- Tommy Caldwell
- Jay Bilas
- John Prine
- Dan Barry
- Barry Lopez
- Paul Theroux
- Larry McMurtry
- Louis L’Amour
- The Avett Brothers
- Gin Blossoms
- Smashing Pumpkins
- Counting Crows
- The Kooks
- The Coral
- Tom Petty
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Monte Burke – Exploring Obsession
- Brendan Leonard, Part 2 – On Running, Creating, and Other Irrational Passions
- Steve Casimiro – Voice of Adventure
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Anna Brones – Committed to Creativity
- Emilene Ostlind – Storytelling for the New West
- Alexis Bonogofsky – Taking a Stand for the West
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West
Matt Barber & Joel Doub, Part 2 – Tales from an Entrepreneurial Adventure
Matt Barber and Joel Doub are the owners of Tom Morgan Rodsmiths, one of the West’s most renowned custom fly rod companies. I was introduced to Matt and Joel nearly three and half years ago and was quickly fascinated by their entrepreneurial journey and Tom Morgan Rodsmiths’ storied history in the fly fishing world. As longtime listeners may remember, I recorded a podcast with Matt and Joel in January of 2018, about a year after they had purchased the company from Tom and Gerri Morgan. In that conversation we talked in-depth about the history of the company, Matt and Joel’s unconventional backgrounds, and their plans for the future of TMR– it was a fun conversation that led to a great friendship between all of us.
But in the more than three years since I published that episode, Tom Morgan Rodsmiths has grown in size and scope, and Matt and Joel have continued to evolve as business owners. They’ve enjoyed highs that include being featured in the New York Times and steadily growing their sales year over year. But they’ve also faced unexpected challenges, most notably a global pandemic and its far-reaching supply chain and economic effects. But thanks to their creativity, planning, complementary skill sets, and unwavering commitment to the values of the founders Tom and Gerri Morgan, Matt and Joel have thrived as entrepreneurs and built wonderful lives for their families in Montana.
A quick, one-time snapshot of any entrepreneurial venture can never provide the full, vivid story of a company and its owners, so I wanted to bring Matt and Joel back on the podcast to give us an update and share some of their hard-earned wisdom and lessons learned. We talked a bit about the specifics of the fly fishing business, but most of the topics we discussed were around resilience, teamwork, marketing, managing complex work, and maintaining a positive attitude– actionable advice that almost anyone could put to use in business or creative endeavors. You don’t need to listen to our first episode to glean value from this one, but it’s worth a listen too, so there’s a link in the notes to access that episode if you’d like.
Be sure to check out the Tom Morgan Rodsmiths website and follow them on social media– links to everything are in the notes. They will be celebrating the company’s 25th anniversary in the coming weeks and offering some special, one-of-a-kind products that will be of interest to anglers and outdoor enthusiasts of all stripes. Thanks to Matt and Joel for the inspiring conversation, and I hope you enjoy.
Header photo by Paolo Marchesi
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:30 – Introduction to Matt and Joel
- 11:30 – Update on the progress of Tom Morgan Rodsmiths
- 16:15 – Matt and Joel discuss the benefits and challenges of co-owning a business
- 12:15 – Matt and Joel discuss how they navigate owning Tom Morgan Rodsmiths while respecting the legacy of its founders
- 27:45 – Matt and Joel talk about the coverage they received from the New York Times
- 31:45 – Matt and Joel explain their thoughts and practice of marketing their products
- 38:15 – How Matt and Joel stay organized to manage the many, many challenges of running a business
- 49:30 – Matt and Joel discuss generosity in their work and lives
- 53:15 – Matt and Joel talk about living in Montana, having recently moved there
- 56:15 – Matt and Joel’s book recommendations
- 58:45 – Matt and Joel’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Tom Morgan Rodsmiths
- Previous M&P episode
- Saint Lawrence University
- Suez Canal
- Techstars
- Cal Newport
- 10 Percent Happier
- Vipassana
- Waking Up
- Malcolm Brooks
- Callan Wink
- John Larison
- Mattew Crawford
- Joe Haldeman
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Max Wenerstrom – Timeless Craftsmanship
- Kelsey Johnson – Chasing Her Artistic Ambitions
- Chris Douglas – An Unexpected Artistic Journey
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Live in Bozeman – Cate Havstad, Jillian Lukiwski, Becca Skinner & Juanita Vero
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
- Mark Kenyon – A Passion for Public Lands
- Matt Skoglund – Adventures in Bison Ranching
Virtual Event! In Conversation with David Gessner
Virtual Event! In Conversation with David Gessner
The uber-prolific David Gessner is at it again, this time with his excellent new book Quiet Desperation, Savage Delight: Sheltering with Thoreau in the Age of Crisis, which will be released to the masses on June 1, 2021.
I had the pleasure of reading an advanced copy and, in my humble opinion, it’s the perfect book for making sense of this nutty moment in history. If like me, you often gaze backward into history to help understand the modern-day world, then you’ll love this book– it’s David’s timely exploration of how we can apply Thoreau’s evergreen wisdom to help comprehend the pandemic, political upheaval, looming environmental catastrophes, and the ups and downs of everyday life.
I’ll be joining David on June 7, 2021, at 5 PM MDT for a free virtual conversation about the new book and much more. As many of you know, David is an annual fixture on the podcast, and it’s always impossible to predict which irreverent and hilarious direction the conversation will go. But for this event, odds are favorable that we’ll discuss at least a few of the following topics: Thoreau, TR, Montaigne, Ultimate Frisbee, Abbey, Stegner, the death and rebirth of The Shack, the writing life, the strenuous life, cartooning, and environmental activism.
This conversation is being facilitated by the good folks at Denver’s Tattered Cover Bookstore, so you can register through their website by pressing the button below:
I’ll look forward to seeing you there!
Praise for “Quiet Desperation, Savage Delight“
In a dynamic and illuminating exploration of the strange wilderness that has been a year of pandemic-induced seclusion, David Gessner succeeds brilliantly in using Henry Thoreau to make sense of the quarantine, and vice versa. While the signature Gessnerian humor, irreverence, and lyricism are all here, Gessner also offers a profound meditation on how we might live, write, and parent in a bewildering age of global catastrophe. Quiet Desperation, Savage Delight is a powerful and timely book from one of the most provocative and engaging voices in contemporary environmental writing. —Michael P. Branch, author of Rants from the Hill and How to Cuss in Western
Gessner vividly recounts his rich daily experiences of wildness, including walking, biking, kayaking, and bird-watching in North Carolina, his adopted home for the past 17 years…He also admits to wondering if it is too late to save the planet and to raise consciousness about the perils of materialism and anthropocentrism. Yet despite evidence that sometimes overwhelms him, Gessner, like Thoreau, finds hope in every new morning and joy in the world that Thoreau so eloquently extolled. —Kirkus Reviews
The havoc caused by the pandemic is only a mild foretaste of what climate disruption will bring, not merely for a year or two but for the foreseeable future. To imagine how we might preserve our humanity as the world unravels, you could start by reading this lively, captivating book by David Gessner. Drawn in part from his journal of what he calls ‘this endless night of a year,’ it weaves together memoir, natural history, travelogue, and literary homage to reveal a mindfully awake to our dire situation, yet able to relish birds and books, family and friends, and the living Earth. —Scott Russell Sanders, author of The Way of Imagination
Max Wenerstrom – Timeless Craftsmanship
Max Wenerstrom is a blacksmith and craftsman best known for creating hand-forged knives that balance a beautiful aesthetic with practical durability. Max started blacksmithing at the age of 15, became obsessed with the craft, and quickly demonstrated an elite talent for creating one-of-a-kind knives. His passion led him to study under a 17th-generation Japanese bladesmith, who began teaching Max the art of forging knives in the Japanese tradition– a labor-intensive, time-honored method of creating some of the world’s sharpest and most durable knives.
I was introduced to Max by my friends at Ranchlands, one of the West’s most respected ranch management companies. Max was participating in a residency at Ranchlands’ 87,000-acre Chico Basin Ranch, where he was offering blacksmithing demonstrations and forging a specific model of knife developed in partnership with Ranchlands. It’s a knife created specifically for ranchers– designed to be used on horseback for everyday work and high-stakes situations. So when the folks at Ranchlands told me about Max, I drove out, and we sat down for an inspiring conversation.
Max is only 21 years old, and as you’ll hear in the interview, I was blown away by his maturity, work ethic, and commitment to quality. But aside from my endless amazement with his age, we covered a ton of interesting topics. We chatted about his beginnings in the craft, and what led him to study with world-famous Japanese bladesmith Murray Carter. We discussed his dedication to creating the highest quality products, how he pushes himself to constantly improve his craft, and the hard work involved in both. We discuss how he started building his business during high school and how it has grown and evolved in recent years. We talked about his partnership with Ranchlands, the process of making a knife, his deep love of the West, and advice for anyone seeking to begin a deliberate practice of craftsmanship.
I really loved this conversation and appreciated Max taking the time to chat. Be sure to check out the episode notes for links to Max’s website and to the specific Ranchlands-inspired knife that we discussed. I hope you enjoy!
Photos by Claudia Landreville, courtesy of Ranchlands
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:15 – When Max started forging knives
- 11:35 – Why Max start smithing at such a young age
- 13:45 – When Max realized he had a talent for bladesmithing
- 16:30 – How Max ended up using his bladesmithing at Ranchlands
- 23:30 – Max discusses his mentality in bladesmithing, why he values quality in his knives, and how he pushes himself to improve his craft
- 26:00 – Max walks us through the process of making a knife
- 29:15 – Max talks about what you need if you are interested in starting bladesmithing
- 32:30 – Max discusses what made his teacher, Murray Carter, such a good teacher
- 34:15 – Max highlights other craft-makers he admires
- 37:30 – Max discusses his plans for the future of his craft
- 43:00 – Max discusses knife sharpening, care, and styles of knives
- 53:15 – Max identifies the West as a source of inspiration
- 1:00:45 – Max’s parting advice
Information Referenced:
- Wenerstrom Forge, LLC
- Murray Carter
- Carter Cutlery Journeyman Program
- Yoshimoto Bladesmithing
- Ranchlands
- Chico Basin Ranch
- Duke Phillips III
- Duke Phillips IV
- Neck Knives
- Field Knives
- Ranchlands-Inspired Remuda Knife
- Knife Anatomy
- Finger Choil
- Heel of the blade
- Alex Pole
- Seth Godin
- Whetstone
- Louis L’Amour
- Osaka
- Geoffrey Keating
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these too:
- Duke Phillips III – A Vision for the New West
- Duke Phillips IV – Living with the Land
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Chris Douglas – An Unexpected Artistic Journey
- Daniela Ibarra-Howell – Healing the Land Holistically
- Live in Bozeman – Cate Havstad, Jillian Lukiwski, Becca Skinner & Juanita Vero
- Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less
VIRTUAL EVENT! Cutting-Edge Land & Water Conservation with Russ Schnitzer
I hope some of you can join me this Thursday, May 20th at 7:00 PM MDT for an exclusive live video conversation with past podcast guest Russ Schnitzer, Senior Program Officer at the Gates Family Foundation, professional photographer, and former smokejumper. The Gates Family Foundation has been a longtime supporter and thought partner of my employer– Palmer Land Conservancy— as well as one of Colorado’s most committed funders across a wide range of state-wide conservation initiatives.
You can expect a wide-ranging conversation about the many challenges and opportunities facing the communities and natural resources of southern Colorado. Topics to be discussed include:
- The Gates Family Foundation’s long-term interest in southeastern Colorado
- Palmer’s innovative Bessemer Farmland Conservation Project, and Gates’s support of that project
- The ecological and agricultural components that make southeastern Colorado such a high-priority area for conservation
- Gates’ framework for evaluating conservation opportunities throughout the state
- How COVID has demonstrated the urgent need for more agricultural conservation
- The goals for Palmer’s new office in Pueblo
- And ample time for Q&A from the viewers
This chat will hopefully provide a behind-the-scenes look into one of Palmer’s most valued partnerships and the strategies and tactics that both organizations use to achieve ambitious conservation goals.
This is an exclusive event only for Mountain & Prairie Patreon supporters and/or Palmer Land Conservancy members. I’m thrilled to be able to use Mountain & Prairie’s platform to help spread the word about Palmer’s innovative work, so I’ll look forward to seeing some of you there.
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In Conversation with Dr. Drew Lanham
In late April, I had the wonderful opportunity to interview Dr. Drew Lanham— birder, naturalist, hunter-conservationist, professor, poet, writer, and all-around inspiring human. He’s also the author of two excellent books that I recommended in my March-April book recommendations email: The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man’s Love Affair with Nature and the brand new Sparrow Envy: Field Guide to Birds and Lesser Beasts.
This interview was a keynote for Colorado Parks and Wildlife’s 2021 Partners in the Outdoors conference, and Dr. Lanham and I had a great discussion about everything from birds to family, from current social issues to frameworks for evaluating the past.
And here’s a “visual map” of our conversation that I thought was super-cool and unique.
I hope you all enjoy the conversation as much as I did!
Dr. David Hewitt – The Science of Wildlife Conservation
Dr. David Hewitt is the Executive Director of the Caesar Kleberg Wildlife Research Institute, an organization widely recognized as the leading wildlife research organization in Texas. The Institute is located on the campus of Texas A&M – Kingsville, and its mission is to provide science-based information for enhancing the conservation and management of Texas wildlife. Dave and his team at the Institute are focused on applied science– research that is useful, actionable, and tightly focused on helping land managers meet their goals.
Dave was born and raised in Colorado and followed in his grandfather’s footsteps to become a wildlife biologist. After earning his undergraduate degree from Colorado State, his education and research took him to many different corners of the United States, and in 1996 he landed at the Caesar Kleberg Wildlife Research Institute. For the past 25 years, Dave has been fully focused on the flora and fauna of Texas, and many of his projects have positive ripple effects on land management throughout the American West and beyond. Whether discussing the management of ocelot, restoration of native grasslands, or the history of the Institute, Dave’s enthusiasm for the natural world is palpable and inspiring.
Dave and I had a fun discussion about the Institute’s past, present, and future, as well as his fascinating career path. We started out discussing the Institute’s namesake, Caesar Kleberg, and why Caesar is known as the father of Texas wildlife conservation. We then discussed why the huge proportion of private land in Texas makes the state so unique from a land and wildlife management perspective. We also dug into several of the Institute’s success stories, including its work with ocelots and native grasses throughout the state. Then we chatted about Dave’s personal background– his impressive educational journey, his love of teaching, and his vision for the future of the Institute.
If you enjoy learning about wildlife, native plants, and the people who have devoted their lives to protecting them, then you’ll love this episode with Dave. There’s a ton of fascinating information in this conversation, so be sure to check out the episode notes for links to everything we discuss. Enjoy!
Ocelot photo by Ben Masters. Headshot courtesy of David Hewitt.
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 5:00—Dave discusses the story of Caesar Kleberg.
- 14:00—Dave explains the differences between land management in Texas and states Colorado or Montana.
- 16:30—Dave explains the type of research that goes on at the Caesar Kleberg Wildlife Research Institute.
- 19:30—Dave discusses victories during his tenure with CKWRI.
- 22:30—Dave discusses building trust with private landowners in wildlife conservation.
- 24:45—Dave dives deeper into the CCWRI Ocelot Program.
- 32:00—Dave discusses the varied opinions regarding the Endangered Species Act.
- 37:45—Dave discusses the CKWRI Grasslands program.
- 47:00—Dave walks us through his career path.
- 53:30—Dave explains how he balances his research with his teaching.
- 57:00—Dave projects where he thinks the CKWRI is headed in the future.
- 1:00:30—Dave’s book recommendations.
- 1:03:00—Dave’s parting words of wisdom.
Information Referenced:
- Dr. David G. Hewitt
- Caesar Kleberg Wildlife Research Institute
- Caesar Kleberg
- Cuero, TX
- Corpus Christi, TX
- Robert Kleberg
- King Ranch
- Texas Fish and Oyster Commission
- Richard Kleberg
- Caesar Kleberg Foundation for Wildlife Conservation
- Jay Kleberg
- Ferruginous Pygmy Owl
- Chihuahuan Desert
- Ocelot
- Dr. Micheal E. Tewes
- Laguna Atascosa Wildlife Refuge
- Yturria Ranch
- Raymondville, TX
- East Foundation
- Dr. Neil Wilkins
- Endangered Species Act (ESA)
- Old world bluestems
- Permian Basin
- Panhandle of Texas
- Eagle Ford Oil Clay
- Forbs (botany)
- Crowley County, CO
- Greeley, CO
- Uvalde, TX
- Fallow Deer
- Ruffed Grouse
- Tio Kleberg
- Dr. Duane Leach
- Andrea Wulf
- Dan Flores
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NEW WEST DISPATCH – Marci McLean & Cora Neumann on COVID’s Impact on Native Communities
Marci McLean and Cora Neumann are joining me for another episode of my ongoing series called New West Dispatches. In each New West Dispatch, I break from the normal Mountain & Prairie format of discussing a guest’s personal experiences, influences, and life story, and instead we spend the hour diving deep into a specific, timely issue that is creating challenges in the American West. The goal of these episodes is to offer a clear-eyed examination of a pressing issue, then to highlight the people and ideas that are helping to solve these sometimes-overwhelming problems. These episodes are meant to educate and provide actionable information, while also offering hope and optimism in the face of challenges.
In today’s New West Dispatch, we’ll be discussing COVID’s impact on Native communities in Montana and throughout the American West. Marci and Cora are uniquely qualified to discuss this topic, as they have been on the front lines of Montana’s public health response to the devastating effects of COVID across tribal lands. Marci grew up on the Blackfeet Nation and currently serves as Executive Director of Montana Native Vote, an organization with the mission of building leaders in Montana’s Indian County. Cora Nuemann is a PhD-level public health expert and the founder of We Are Montana, an organization that supports public health leadership across rural and Native Montana. In early 2020, when it became clear that COVID was a true threat, Marci and Cora teamed up and took action, offering much-needed education, funding, and support to combat the virus in Native communities.
We had an enlightening and educational conversation, and I am so grateful to Marci and Cora for joining me to share their experiences and wisdom. We start out by discussing both Marci and Cora’s backgrounds, and how they decided to take action as the pandemic descended on Montana. We talk about the specific factors that made this pandemic so devastating to Native communities and why Native Americans suffered the highest death rates of any community in the United States. We discuss the Native response to the pandemic– what worked, what didn’t, and some specific success stories. And we also talk about vaccine rollout and how Marci and Cora see the next year playing out. Finally, they both offer up some excellent book recommendations on Native American history, culture, and current events.
The notes for this episode are even more robust than usual, so be sure to check them out for links to articles, resources, and further information on everything we cover. Thanks again to Marci and Cora for their hard work and focus on this important issue. I hope you enjoy and learn as much as I did!
Photos courtesy of Marci and Cora.
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:00 – Introductions
- 13: 15 – When did Cora and Marci know when COVID was going to be a big impact on their communities
- 20:45 – What worked in communicating public health in Cora and Marci’s community
- 24:00 – Reflections on how Indigenous communities responded to information coming from the Trump administration regarding COVID
- 27:15 – Why Indigenous communities are so vulnerable in pandemic scenarios like COVID
- 33:45 – Cora and Marci discuss the extensive work they have done in and around Indigenous communities in Montana regarding public health and COVID.
- 40:30 – The vaccine rollout progress in and around Indigenous Montana communities
- 42:00 – How do we get to the new normal
- 43:30 – How can people help in these efforts
- 47:45 – Book recommendations
- 51:15 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- COVID impacts on Indigenous Americans
- COVID impacts on Indigenous people in Montana
- Coverage of Cora and Marci’s work
- The 19th feature: As Montana’s tribal nations are threatened by COVID, women health leaders have stepped up
- Great Falls Tribune: Montana COVID-19 relief: Organizations help tribal communities
- Mansfield Center panel: Montana tribal leaders discuss fighting the pandemic | Local News | missoulian.com
- Intercept feature: Montana Tribes Hard-Hit by Covid-19 Brace for Republican Takeover Miranda Green
- Indian Country Today: Montana responds to local advocacy groups and adds American Indians in Phase 1B vaccine rollout
- Notes From The Field – COVID Local Blog – supporting Tribal leaders (this is work with the former White House pandemic team – who are now back in the White House!)
- New nonprofit aimed at tackling COVID-19 in Native, rural communities
- Social Media
- Vaccine rollout information:
- DPHHS report March 16th: Native Americans make up about 7% of Montana’s population, but represent 18% of reported COVID-19 related deaths in the state. COVID-19 was the 3rd leading cause of death in 2020.
- Blackfeet Nation is currently reporting 95% of eligible enrolled members are vaccinated—7,600 of 9,778
- More than 30% of the Crow Tribe’s eligible population had received at least one vaccine as of March 18.
- In Great Falls as of March 12, more than 75% of Indian Family Health Clinic (IFHC, an IHS-funded urban Indian organization) eligible patients had received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 60% were fully immunized.
- Each week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention allocates COVID-19 vaccines to IHS, which then distributes them across their areas. IHS’ Billings-area location, which includes eleven Montana facilities, receives, on average, 1,200 Moderna doses, 1,170 Pfizer doses and 100 Johnson & Johnson doses each week. In the first eight weeks of distribution, every IHS site in Montana had a 100% vaccination rate, meaning no shots were wasted. So far, the IHS facilities across Montana have administered at least one dose to 29% of the eligible population, and 21% of the eligible IHS population is fully immunized.
- Blackfeet (Niitsitapi or Siksikaitsitapi)
- Medicaid expansion
- Two-spirit
- Montana Native Vote
- We Are Montana
- Indigenous Movements Interchange
- Elizabeth Cameron
- Crow Nation (Apsáalooke)
- Ember Singer
- CSKT Tribal Health
- Incident Command Center
- Food Sovereignty
- Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz
- Percy Bullchild, Woody Kipp
- Sherman Alexie
- Joy Harjo
- Louise Erdrich
- David Treuer
- Chris La Tray
- One-Sentence Journal
- Becoming Little Shell (upcoming)
- Nick Estes
- Robin Wall Kimmerer
- Ruth Lister
- Jesmyn Ward
- Geoffrey Rose
- Paul Offit
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- Chris La Tray – Rediscovering His Past, Writing His Future
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Brendan Leonard, Part 2 – On Running, Creating, and Other Irrational Passions
Brendan Leonard is a prolific writer and artist who is best known as the creator of Semi-Rad.com. He’s also the author of a brand new book titled I Hate Running and You Can Too: How to Get Started, Keep Going, and Make Sense of an Irrational Passion. The book offers motivation and witty insights into the sometimes-crazy pastime of running. And Brendan knows a thing or two about running irrational distances– he’s completed multiple 100-mile ultramarathons, ran 52 marathons in 52 weeks, directed the film How to Run 100 Miles, and co-hosts the Off The Couch Podcast, which features interviews with runners of all stripes.
Through his books, filmmaking, and writing on Semi-Rad.com, Brendan offers a unique perspective into the world of outdoor recreation and adventure. Rather than focusing on the mind-blowing feats of super-elite athletes, Brendan’s work highlights the passion and determination of regular people who enjoy pushing themselves hard in the outdoors. Brendan has also perfected the ability to draw larger life lessons from these outdoor adventures– lessons that can be applied to creative endeavors of any kind. You don’t have to be a runner or mountain athlete to glean actionable wisdom from Brendan’s work, and I personally credit Brendan’s influence with helping me to grow and evolve Mountain & Prairie.
Brendan and I connected a few days before the release of his new book and had a fun and wide-ranging conversation about everything from running to reading, from Ted Lasso to Matthew McConaughey. We started out by discussing his new book I Hate Running and You Can Too— how the book came to be, the process of writing it, and how its lessons can be applied to writing or other creative pursuits. We then discussed some of his own running achievements, including running 52 marathons over the course of 52 weeks and the life lessons he learned from that year-long commitment. We talked about the fallacy of looking for hacks in running or life, some of Brendan’s creative heroes, the importance of vulnerability, the process of finding his creative voice, recent good books, and much more.
If you’re the type of person who likes to push yourself creatively or physically, this episode is full of wisdom and insight that you can put to use immediately. I’d also encourage you to check out Brendan’s new book, and really all of his work– check out the links in the episode notes or just head to Semi-Rad.com. Huge thanks to Brendan, and I hope you enjoy.
Header image by Mile90 Photography; photo of Brendan and Rowlf courtesy of Brendan.
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Topics Discussed:
- 6:00 – Brendan discusses his latest book, I Hate Running and You Can Too
- 10:00 – Brendan discusses his progression as a runner
- 18:15 – Brendan talks about his experience running 52 marathons in 52 weeks
- 27:00 – The lessons Brendan learned from 52 marathon challenge
- 33:00 – Brendan explains how becoming a runner influenced other areas of his life
- 36:30 – Brendan discusses his claim that “there are no hacks” in running (or life)
- 42:00 – Who Brendan looks up to
- 50:30 – Brendan explores the process of finding his voice
- 55:30 – Brendan discusses vulnerability and the process of sharing his own experiences in his writing
- 1:02:30 – Brendan’s book recommendations
- 1:07:30 – Brendan’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Brendan Leonard
- On Instagram
- I Hate Running and You Can Too
- Sixty Meters to Anywhere
- The Camping Life (co-authored by Forrest Woodward)
- How to Run 100 Miles
- Off the Couch Podcast (co-hosted by Johnathan Ellsworth)
- Thanks for 10 years OR Finding A Voice
- Brendan’s first M&P episode
- Austin Kleon
- Run Rabbit Run
- Colfax Marathon
- Missoula Marathon
- New York City Marathon
- Strava
- Amelia Boone
- Ronny Coleman
- James Lucas
- The Voice
- American Idol
- Tim Ferris
- Aaron Draplin
- Adam J. Kurtz
- Judy Blunt
- Melissa Maerz
- Jay Rubin, Haruki Murakami
- Craig Mod
- Kevin Barry
- Andrew Forbes
- Road House
- Ted Lasso
- Do the Right Thing
- Heat
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- Monte Burke – Exploring Obsession
- William deBuys – Sage of the Southwest
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Chris La Tray – Rediscovering His Past, Writing His Future
- Morgan Irons – Finding Her Muse
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Virtual Event: Rivers, Writing, & Creativity with Chandra Brown
I hope you can join me this Wednesday evening, March 24, 2021 at 7:00 PM MDT for a video chat with Chandra Brown of the Freeflow Institute. Since Chandra and I chatted on the podcast back in February of 2019, the Freeflow Institute has continued to grow and evolve in exciting ways– Chandra and her team launched the Freeflow Foundation, recently started the Freeflow Podcast, are offering a fantastic lineup of courses for Summer 2021, and much more!
For all of you new listeners, the Freeflow Institute is a Montana-based organization that builds opportunities for creativity, space, and access to wild places for writers, artists, and leaders of all backgrounds. Freeflow eliminates the barrier between you, your ideas, and your environment by bringing emerging and established writers, leaders, artists, and communicators together into wild landscapes. The line-up of Freeflow instructors includes many guests of Mountain & Prairie, including Alexis Bonogofsky, Hal Herring, Bill deBuys, Brendan Leonard, Chris La Tray, and Heather Hansman.
Here’s a great Freeflow video featuring Chandra and the great Hal Herring that offers an excellent overview of the organization:
I’m very excited to catch up with Chandra, as we’ve got lots to discuss. We’ll obviously chat about all the Freeflow-related news, including their scholarship program, and then delve into some of the lessons she’s learned from working and adventuring alongside so many wonderful creative minds. We’ll also chat about books, creative inspiration, COVID’s effects on Freeflow’s work, and hopefully take some questions from the y’all.
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Thanks to Chandra for taking the time to join us. I’ll look forward to seeing y’all on Wednesday evening.
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Mitsu Iwasaki – Adventure, Advocacy, & Alpinism
Mitsu Iwasaki is the CEO of the American Alpine Club (AAC), a historic and storied organization whose mission is to “share and support our passion for climbing and respect for the places we climb.” Founded in 1902, the AAC began as a social club for east coast elites who shared a passion for climbing, adventure, and conservation. But over the past 119 years, the AAC has evolved into an open and equitable organization, which provides “knowledge and inspiration, conservation and advocacy, and logistical support for the climbing community.” Mitsu took the helm of the AAC in the summer of 2020, ushering in a new phase for the Club’s growth and focus.
Mitsu was born in Japan but immigrated to Seattle with his family when he was six years old. In high school, at the urging of his father, Mitsu began spending his summers working on commercial fishing boats in Alaska, experiences that he credits as the genesis of his lifelong pursuit of adventure. He attended college in Washington State at the foot of the Cascade Mountains, then spent years as an Outward Bound instructor– successfully merging his love of climbing, skiing, and adventure with his career. A graduate degree in nonprofit management propelled Mitsu into leadership positions with several outdoor recreation organizations, which led him to his new role at the AAC.
For anyone interested in melding personal passions with lofty career aspirations, Mitsu’s life story will be both inspiring and instructional. We had a fascinating conservation covering everything from his days as a climber living out of his van to his current focus of creating more equitable access in the climbing community. We started by discussing the AAC– its history, goals, and evolution over nearly 120 years. We then talked about Mitsu’s personal background– moving to the US as a child, adjusting to life in the US while maintaining close connections to his Japanese heritage, lessons learned from working in commercial fishing, and experiences as an outdoor educator. We talk about his vision for the AAC, and he explains AAC’s exciting new equity initiative known as Climb United. We also discuss his mentors, favorite books, the best advice he’s ever received, and Mitsu offers some useful parting words of wisdom.
Be sure to check the episode note for a complete list of topics and links to everything we covered. Hope you enjoy.
Images courtesy of Mitsu Iwasaki
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Topics Discussed:
- 3:40 – Mitsu explains the history of American Alpine Club (AAC)
- 6:40 – Mitsu discusses programs and projects of AAC
- 9:25 – Mitsu discusses his role as CEO of AAC
- 12:10 – Mitsu explains some of his goals to adapt the AAC
- 14:10 – Mitsu discusses AAC’s work in the arena of climate change
- 19:10 –Mitsu discusses his early life and how he became interested in the outdoors, including his time spent on an Alaskan fishing boat
- 28:10 – Mitsu discusses his prior career with Outward Bound and his thoughts on experiential education
- 33:40 – Mitsu discusses his transition from outdoor enthusiast to executive
- 37:25 – Mitsu talks about his mentor, Brendan Leonard
- 41:25 – Mitsu talks about the AAC program, Climb United, and equity in the sport of climbing
- 48:55 – Mitsu’s book recommendations
- 52:25 – The best piece of advice Mitsu ever received
- 53:40 – Mitsu’s parting advice
Information Referenced:
- American Alpine Club
- International Climbing and Mountaineering Federation (UIAA)
- 10th Mountain Division
- 1939 attempt on K2
- 1963 first American expedition on Mt. Everest
- Glenn E. Porzak
- AAC Library
- Phil Powers
- Kamakura
- Shogun
- Bellevue, WA
- Anchorage, AK
- Naknek, AK
- Bristol Bay
- Chignik, AK
- Sebastian Junger
- Outward Bound
- National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS)
- Brady Robinson
- Big City Mountaineers
- Brendan Leonard
- Climb United
- Leave No Trace (LNT)
- Marc Reisner
- Wallace Stegner
- Nina McConigley
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- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Kyle Richardson – Mountains & Music
- Rachel VandeVoort – Harnessing the Power of Outdoor Recreation
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
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Jason Gardner – A Life of Purpose & Service
Jason Gardner is a father, homesteader, leadership instructor, and regenerative agriculture devotee who lives with his family on a remote property in the mountains of northeastern Washington State. Jason is also a retired Navy SEAL Master Chief who spent nearly thirty years in the SEAL teams and is a recipient of the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, a Purple Heart, and numerous other awards. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Jason applies the lessons learned from his years of service toward building a meaningful life for his family in the wilds of Washington– a life lived with purpose and intention, built on a deep respect for the land.
If Jason sounds familiar, it’s because he’s the husband to Iris Gardner, who was a guest on the podcast just a few weeks ago. Given all of the wisdom that Iris shared regarding parenting and intentional living, and how fondly she spoke of Jason as a father and husband, I thought it would be fun to have Jason join me for a conversation. It was fascinating to hear Jason discuss many of the same topics that Iris and I covered, as he provided a complementary perspective on subjects including parenting, marriage, and thriving as a family in such a remote, wild region of the West.
This was a fantastic conversation, and I can’t thank Jason enough for taking the time to share his wisdom with me. We talked a lot about his military service– from his decision as a high-schooler to join the SEALs to his long and diverse career as a SEAL leader. We also discuss his life-long love of wild, mountainous places, and why he and Iris have chosen to raise their family in northeastern Washington. We talked about how to find purpose in work, no matter what your chosen career. We discuss the idea of having a warrior’s mentality and how he applies that idea to parenting and his current career as a leadership consultant. Jason explains the dichotomy of being an elite special forces operator and gentle father and husband. And we also talk about regenerative agriculture, the many life lessons he’s learned from training horses, influential music, his favorite books, the best advice he’s ever received, and much more.
There are so many insights and resources packed into this episode, so don’t forget to reference the episode notes for a full list of topics and links to everything we discussed. And if you’d like more insights into Jason and Iris’s life in Washington, you can check out their Youtube channel, which I’ve linked to in the notes. Thanks again to Jason, and I hope you enjoy.
Images courtesy of Jason Gardner
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Topics Discussed:
- 3:50 – Where Jason grew up
- 5:50 – How Jason developed a love of wild places
- 6:10 – When Jason first started considering military service and the SEALS
- 10:05 – How music helped frame Jason’s mindset
- 12:50 – Jason explores the dichotomy of his military and personal life
- 17:50 – What makes Jason so good at his job
- 19:20 – How Jason knew it was time to retire
- 23:20 – Jason explores the intentionality that enabled he and Iris to live the life they do
- 24:35 – How Jason’s approach to parenting has changed since retiring from the SEALS
- 28:20 – How did Jason come up with the points of To My Daughter
- 32:20 – What being a warrior means to Jason
- 34:35 – Jason explores how marriage works between two strong-willed individuals
- 37:50 – Jason discusses his recent work with horses and its impact on himself
- 43:50 – Jason’s advice on finding purpose, told through the lens of sniper training and “the stalk”
- 52:05 – Jason discusses his current role as a leadership coach
- 56:35 – Jason discusses books that have been important to him
- 58:05 – Jason discusses regenerative agriculture
- 1:01:05 – What Jason does for fun
- 1:02:50 – The best piece of advice Jason ever received
- 1:06:20 – Jason’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Jason Gardner on Instagram
- Jason’s motivational battle speech
- Iris Gardner
- Echelon Front
- Marin Corps Air Station El Toro
- San Clemente
- Camp Pendleton
- Okinawa (Kadena Air Base)
- Navy SEALS
- Marine Corps
- Hardcore (punk)
- Punk Rock
- Metallica
- Dead Kennedys
- Cro-Mags
- Minor Threat
- Uniform Choice
- Ill Repute
- Stalag 13
- Speed Metal
- Danheim
- Faun
- Wardruna
- Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
- Slayer
- Chris LeDoux
- To My Daughter
- Jocko Willink (podcast)
- Jordan Peterson
- Marcus Aurelius
- Larry McMurtry
- Akiva Silver
- Gabe Brown
- Joel Salatin
- The Daily Stoic
- Stoicism
- Jim Howell
- Dungeons and Dragons
- Jocko, “Good”
- Sisyphus
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Kelsey Johnson – Chasing Her Artistic Ambitions
Kelsey Johnson is a Bozeman-based artist whose work highlights the epic wildlife, people, and landscapes of the American West. Using graphite pencils and oil paints, Kelsey creates stunning, life-like artwork– works that you would assume were created by a full-time artist with decades of experience. But in reality, Kelsey is new to professional art– she balances her artistic endeavors with a full-time job, and she actually started her art business only a few years ago, back in 2018. While Kelsey’s artistic career will undoubtedly continue to grow and flourish in the coming years, I am inspired by the commitment and work ethic she exhibits on a daily basis to turn her creative passions into a self-sustaining business.
Growing up in Pennsylvania, Kelsey was always artistic, but she put art aside and earned her undergraduate degree in agricultural business and agronomy. After graduation, she began a career with a large corporation where she sold corn and soybean seeds across the United States. While the job was safe and steady with plenty of upward mobility, she couldn’t shake the feeling that she was not completely fulfilled by her work. So, as you’ll hear her describe, a series of events came together that prompted her to pack up and move to Montana, where she rededicated herself to her artistic inclinations.
I greatly admire Kelsey and the way she has created a life and career here in the West. I also feel that she serves as a perfect example of how to balance professional, practical obligations with the pursuit of artistic goals. If you’ve got creative ambitions but struggle to fit them in between the other demands of life, you’ll find Kelsey’s story inspirational. We had a wide-ranging conversation, discussing everything from her childhood on the east coast to her eventual move to Montana. We talked about her evolution as an artist, some of her artistic breakthroughs, and her creative influences. She talks a lot about juggling professional and artistic commitments, and she also offers up some excellent book, music, and film recommendations.
And as you’ll hear in the episode, Kelsey and I will be doing a giveaway of a print of her newest painting, titled “Land of the Desert Poppy.” If you want to enter to win, follow me on Instagram and look for a post about the giveaway later this week, the week of February 22, 2021.
Thanks so much to Kelsey for taking the time to chat. Hope you enjoy this conversation.
Images courtesy of Kelsey Johnson
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:45 – Where Kelsey grew up
- 4:45 – How Kelsey initially got into agriculture
- 6:30 – When did Kelsey realize that agriculture was not the path for her
- 8:45 – How did Kelsey come to set her eyes on Montana
- 12:15 – What did Kelsey have to do to move to Bozeman
- 14:45 – Kelsey’s art
- 18:30 – How the art community in Southwest Montana influenced Kelsey’s art
- 20:45 – The first time Kelsey sold art
- 23:45 – Kelsey’s experience balancing her art with the rest of her life
- 25:45 – Kelsey’s biggest surprise in setting up her art business
- 26:45 – Kelsey discusses “big break” moments that helped get her work in front of more people
- 30:30 – Kelsey’s role models in the creative community of the American West
- 33:45 –Kelsey discusses how she knows she’s finished with a piece and explores those moments when a piece just “doesn’t work out”
- 37:15 – Kelsey’s advice for those getting started in creative pursuits
- 35:30 – Kelsey’s most recently finished piece (ft. information on a print giveaway!)
- 42:30 – Kelsey’s adventures in hunting
- 45:45 – What Kelsey does for fun
- 46:30 – Kelsey’s favorite books
- 50:00 – Kelsey’s favorite musicians
- 53:00 – Kelsey’s favorite movies
- 55:30 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Kelsey Johnson
- Kelsey on Instagram
- KRae Artworks
- Helena, MT
- Custer, SD
- Black Hills
- Bozeman, MT
- Modern Huntsman
- Tyler Sharp
- Seth Godin
- Meat Eater
- Steven Rinella
- Mark Maggiori
- Jill Soukup
- AD Maddox
- Morgan Irons
- Joe Rogan
- Sara Dant
- Frank Church
- Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness
- James Galvin
- Becca Aceto
- Jim Morrison
- The Doors
- Allman Brothers
- Neil Young
- Traffic
- Cream
- Led Zeppelin
- Jose Gonzales
- Avett Brothers
- Out of the Furnace
- Roadhouse
- Big Land
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Becca Aceto – Forging Her Own Path in the West
- Morgan Irons – Finding Her Muse
- Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less
- Anna Brones – Committed to Creativity
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Logan Maxwell Hagege – Artistic Evolution
- Melissa DiNino – Building a Unique Life in Big Sky Country
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West
- Daniel Vergés – The Pursuit of Simplicity in Art & Life
VIRTUAL EVENT – In Conversation with Stephen Smith
I hope you’ll join me on Thursday evening, February 18th at 7:00 PM MST for what is sure to be a fun video chat with my pal Stephen Smith, Founder and CEO of Onda. If you’re a longtime listener of the podcast, Stephen’s story will be familiar– he’s been on the podcast twice, discussing everything from professional photography to regenerative ag, entrepreneurship to international adventure.
In Thursday’s video chat, you can expect a wide-ranging conversation covering how Onda has evolved as a company during COVID times, Stephen’s commitment to partnering with regenerative agricultural producers, how Stephen has grown as a leader and business owner, how he has dealt with the influx of competition into the CBD market, and much more. We’d love for the conversation to be as interactive as possible, so please have your questions ready!
This video chat is exclusively for Mountain & Prairie Patreon supporters, so current supporters can access the Zoom registration link on the Patreon page.
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A sincere thank you to everyone who has so generously supported the podcast through Patreon over the years– its means the world and has allowed me to expand the podcast in ways that I never thought possible!
Stephen and I will look forward to seeing you on Thursday evening!
Iris Gardner – Living with Intention
Iris Gardner is a writer, horse wrangler, mother, and former organic farmer who lives with her family on a homestead in northeastern Washington State. After many years of living and farming in southern California, Iris, her husband Jason, and their two children moved to their current home– a rural property located close to the Canadian border and more than two hours from the nearest city. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Iris and Jason have chosen to live and raise their children deliberately, with intention, and close to nature– in a beautiful landscape far removed from many of the so-called conveniences of modern life.
Iris grew up off the grid in rural Washington, in an area so remote that her home did not have electricity. During her childhood, she developed a deep love of reading, horses, and wild landscapes– all passions that are still of great importance to her and her family today. Iris’s husband Jason is a retired, highly decorated Navy SEAL who shares her devotion to intentional living and parenthood. Working as a team, Iris and Jason are building a meaningful and unique life for their family in the wilds of eastern Washington– a life that I have found both inspiring and instructional.
Iris and I have been following each other online for years, so it was wonderful to finally get the opportunity to have a conversion. We spent a lot of time discussing parenting– how she is raising her children to be both tough and compassionate, and how she balances managing risk with letting her kids learn from their own mistakes. We discuss her marriage with Jason and how they have grown as a couple through the various phases of their lives and careers. Iris is an enormously talented writer, and she is currently finishing up her first book, so we discuss her writing process, and she offers some excellent advice for people interested in pursuing creative endeavors. We also discuss the power of positivity, our shared love of reading, Iris’s heroes and mentors, and Iris offers some valuable words of wisdom.
If you want to learn even more about Iris’s journey, I’d encourage you to watch or listen to her conversation with retired Navy SEAL Jocko Willink on the Jocko Podcast. You’ll hear us reference Jocko often in our conversation, and that podcast episode is one of the most powerful conversations I’ve ever heard in my life, no exaggeration.
Iris is an inspiring, strong, tough, talented, and thoughtful woman, and I know you’ll enjoy our conversation. Thanks for listening.
Photos courtesy of Iris Gardner
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Topics Discussed:
- 3:40 – Iris describes her homestead
- 7:10 – Iris discusses parenting
- 12:40 – Iris describes raising kids tough
- 20:40 – Iris shares whether she always planned on being a mother
- 21:55 – How Iris and her husband, Jason, met
- 24:10 – Iris discusses the transition in her husband’s work (from SEAL to leadership consultant) and building independence within a marriage
- 26:55 – Iris talks about learning from each other in a marriage
- 29:55 – Iris discusses her memoir
- 31:40 – Iris discusses the relationship between reading and writing in her life
- 34:10 – Iris discusses her relationship with social media
- 39:10 – Iris’s advice for people with creative impulses/aspirations
- 43:55 – who are Iris’s heroes/mentors
- 46:25 – Why Iris feels positivity is important in the face of challenges
- 51:40 – How Iris uses the outdoors for introspection
- 53:10 – How Iris sets examples and encourages introspection, communication, and connection with her kids
- 1:00:40 – How having kids has impacted Ed and Iris
- 1:02:00 – Iris’s book recommendations
- 1:10:25 – Words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Iris on Instagram
- Watch Iris on Jocko Podcast
- Listen to Iris on Jocko Podcast
- Jason Gardner on Instagram
- J.R.R. Tolkein
- San Diego, CA
- Tecate, Mexico
- Navy SEALS
- Jocko Willink
- Echelon Front Leadership Consulting
- John Steinbeck
- Ken Kesey
- Edward Abbey
- High Country News
- Enneagram Personality Test
- David James Duncan
- Mike Foote
- Harry Potter series
- Jim Dale
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- George Hodgin – Mission-Driven Entrepreneur
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Alexis Bonogofsky – Taking a Stand for the West
- Ivan McClellan – A New Look at the Old West
- Mark Kenyon – A Passion for Public Lands
- Duke Phillips IV – Living with the Land
- Juanita Vero – A Deep Love of Place
- Russ Schnitzer – A Life Devoted to Western Landscapes
My 12 Favorite Books of 2020
My 12 Favorite Books of 2020 (plus some rambling thoughts on gratitude)
2020. What a ride. Thankfully, my family and I were lucky enough to emerge from the year’s insanity unscathed– we’re healthy, employed, and more grateful than ever for our home and community. For better or worse, I discovered that I am not cut out to be a preschool teacher, and, out of necessity, my time management skills improved by leaps and bounds.
Books were even more important to me in 2020 than ever before, but, for the first time, making the space to read them proved to be a challenge. As usual, reading brought me contentment and stability, as well as the numerous benefits I’ve mentioned in the past. But there was one new and unexpected product of reading during 2020: Gratitude.
The fact that I could sit back and take the time to enjoy a book– knowing damn well that millions of people were suffering physically, mentally, economically– once again reinforced just how lucky I am. (And I’m convinced that it all boils down to luck, not my work ethic or any other self-congratulatory character traits. Read Sam Harris’s Free Will to understand my thinking on this subject.) During any time period, reading for pleasure has been pretty near the top of the hierarchy of needs, but during a global pandemic, its opulence is even more pronounced.
Lucky and grateful. I’m lucky that my life has worked out so that incessant reading for pleasure is even an option. Grateful that I have the resources to devote my time and attention to something as luxurious as reading, during this pandemic or ever. Lucky that I live in a country where I’m free to explore any ideas I want. Grateful that I’ve somehow managed to retain my ability to concentrate, despite Zuckerberg’s best efforts. Lucky that books give me a sense of nuance in an increasingly binary world. Grateful that you are spending your valuable time reading this. And the list goes on, and on, and on.
During good times and bad, a focused, deliberate, daily practice of gratitude has always made me happier and a more productive member of society. And during 2020, these repeated micro-doses of gratitude delivered via books provide a much-needed mental boost during an overall gloomy year.
But despite the unexpected upsides of reading in 2020, there was a downside: Between the time commitments of my job, family, podcast, and trying to stay in shape, I didn’t muster the energy to challenge myself with my book choices. I read exclusively for enjoyment and rarely left my comfort zone with authors and topics. While I loved every book that I read in 2020, reviewing the list reminds me (once again) that I need to push myself harder to explore new subjects and authors. For me, the point of reading is to expand my perspective and broaden my horizons– neither of which will happen if I don’t force myself out of my comfort zone.
So in 2021, you can expect my lists to include a much more diverse array of subjects, genres, themes, and authors. If I can push myself to run silly-ass laps around my neighborhood for 24 hours straight, I sure as hell can push myself to increase my empathy, compassion, and understanding of the world through books.
Here’s to maintaining that sense of gratitude every time I pick up a book in 2021 and beyond. And to a renewed commitment to seeking out new ideas, diverse perspectives, and uncomfortable realities that will challenge my thinking and fuel my personal evolution.
Onward!
I had a tough time narrowing them down, but below, in the order that I read them, are my favorite books of 2020.
The Last Cowboys: A Pioneer Family in the New West by John Branch – One of the best books I’ve read on the challenges facing modern-day ranching families in the West, layered on top of an insider’s look into the bone-breaking sport of rodeo. I recommend this book often to friends and colleagues who want to understand the economic and social realities of ranching in the contemporary West. [IndieBound]
Acid for the Children: A Memoir by Flea – I’m not a die-hard Chili Peppers fan and knew next to nothing about Flea before reading this book. So I’m surprised to say that this is one of the top three memoirs I’ve ever read– Flea is a fascinating, complex character, and the book is written in a unique and engaging style unlike any I’ve ever read. [IndieBound]
Perennial Seller: The Art of Making and Marketing Work that Lasts by Ryan Holiday – I highly recommend this book to anyone with aspirations of doing creative work that will stand the test of time. I underlined passages on almost every page, immediately implemented some of his tactical advice, and have revisited the book many times since first reading it. [IndieBound]
August: A Novel by Callan Wink – For some weird reason, I mostly shy away from fiction, but I cranked through this entire book in a day and a half. If you love beautiful prose, thoughtful character development, and stunning descriptions of Montana landscapes, August deserves your full attention. [IndieBound]
Ghost Soldiers: The Epic Account of World War II’s Greatest Rescue Mission by Hampton Sides – I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Hampton Sides is a damn genius. Ghost Soldiers was the only Sides book that I had not yet read, and I’m glad I waited until 2020 to do so. A great reminder of how tough humans can be when driven by purpose, and another timely reminder of how lucky I am to be sitting around reading books instead of being held in a POW camp. [IndieBound]
Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt’s American Wilderness by David Gessner – One of my all-time favorite authors writing about one of my all-time favorite historical figures– it doesn’t get much better. Like all Gessner books, this one is fun, funny, educational, and perspective-expanding. I especially appreciated Gessener’s willingness to clearly examine TR’s legacy– the good, the bad, and the ugly. [IndieBound]
Conscious: A Brief Guide to the Fundamental Mystery of the Mind by Annaka Harris – A very short book, but hands down the densest one on this list. If you are intrigued by all matters related to consciousness– from the basic definition of the word to the intricacies of non-dual awareness– this book is well worth several readings. [IndieBound]
Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear – I generally try to avoid getting bogged down in the self-help genre, and I had passed on this book several times. But I’m so thankful I finally read it– Clear hammers home the critical importance of good habits and offers up tactics that have added significant value to my life. [IndieBound]
One Sentence Journal: Short Poems and Essays From the World at Large by Chris La Tray – Chris La Tray is obviously an insanely gifted writer, thinker, and poet, which makes his down-to-earth style and demeanor all the more impressive. He has a unique ability to write poetry that’s meaningful and deep, without all the high-brow haughtiness that is all-to-often associated with poetry.
Lords of the Fly: Madness, Obsession, and the Hunt for the World-Record Tarpon by Monte Burke – I love reading books about people who are maniacally obsessed with their craft, and this tale of maniacs chasing tarpon with fly rods is one of the best I’ve ever read. Rich character sketches combined with beautiful descriptions of Florida’s one-of-a-kind ecosystem make for an excellent read. [IndieBound]
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck – An American classic that I somehow avoided reading in high school and college. It’s a timeless masterpiece– unfortunately, many of the disturbing societal and economic themes presented in the book are just as relevant today as they were during the Great Depression / Dust Bowl era. [IndieBound]
Painted Horses by Malcolm Brooks – A wildly ambitious, sweeping epic of the American West that absolutely nails it on every level. Quite an accomplishment for an author of any age, much less for a first-time novelist like Brooks. If you’re a fan of Lonesome Dove as I am, this novel should be at the top of your reading list. [IndieBound]
2020 Reads
A comprehensive list of every book I recommended in 2020, taken directly from my bimonthly book recommendations email.
The Last Cowboys: A Pioneer Family in the New West by John Branch – This book had been on my need-to-read list for quite a while, so I snagged it while browsing at Bookbinders Basalt. I started reading it on a Friday and was finished by Sunday morning– an excellent book! Having worked closely with the ranching community for almost a decade, I was well aware of how many ranching families paired a love of rodeo with the business of ranching, using winnings from the former to keep the later afloat. This book perfectly captures the lifestyles and hard realities of both rodeo and ranching– the long hours, physical and financial dangers, and the seemingly endless treadmill of debt, tight cash flows, and uncertainty. I particularly appreciated Branch’s ability to highlight the economic pressure caused by escalating land prices, a real and often understated challenge facing food producers in the West. With the skill of a seasoned sportswriter and the eye of a top-notch storyteller, Branch conveys important, timely information in a fun-to-read narrative. [For another valued perspective on the ever-changing West, I highly recommend Sara Dant’s Losing Eden: An Environmental History of the American West.]
Acid for the Children: A Memoir by Flea – I’m nothing more than a casual fan of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but after listening to Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast conversation with Chili Peppers’ bassist Flea, I immediately bought the book. Wow, what an insane childhood this guy had. It’s truly unbelievable and about as far from my life as I could ever imagine. I honestly think I would feel more out of place running the streets with Flea and his crew of delinquent friends than I would feel if I somehow found myself instantly and inexplicably deposited into an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. That being said, I thoroughly enjoyed the book, which covers Flea’s life from birth through just before the formation of the Chili Peppers. While Flea was definitely a “bad kid” on the outside– stealing, vandalizing, abusing every substance he could get his hands on– internally he was (and seems to still be) a kind, sensitive, shy, truly sweet person. Even after marinating on the book for a few weeks, I still can’t get my mind around Flea’s complex and intriguing personality. But the fact that I’m still thinking about him proves that the book was worth reading. [For another surprisingly good autobiography, check out Open by Andre Agassi.]
Animal, Vegetable, Miracle: A Year of Food Life by Barbara Kingsolver – My wife has been raving about this book for years, as do many of my podcast guests. And as my professional path as veered deep into the world of farming, I have become more and more curious about the ins and outs of food production. The book is structured around Kingsolver’s family’s attempt only to consume food that they grew on their family farm– a 100-acre plot of land in rural Virginia. For me, the book highlighted fundamental truths about food that I often overlook (or ignore), such as how ridiculous it is to expect fresh tomatoes in Colorado in mid-February or mangoes in the United States at any time of year. It also provided some new-to-me perspectives into the downsides of industrialized agriculture, sans the holier-than-thou attitude sometimes found in food books. Given my work with farmers in the arid West, the book also reinforced my thoughts on the “water richness” of the east coast, and how a local food experiment like this would be next to impossible in the water-starved plains of Colorado. [Michael Pollan’s The Omnivore’s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals covers similar ground and is fun to read.]
Iacocca: An Autobiography by Lee Iacocca – This book has been sitting on my shelf for years, likely a remnant from my time in business school. Similar to the Flea book above, I don’t have any deep connection to the specifics of Iacocca’s story– I have little interest in cars, car companies, and definitely not minivans. But there is something about Iacocca’s story that is uniquely American and perfectly captures the flavor of the post-WWII corporate business world. Iacocca was the son of Italian immigrants who joined the big, bad Ford Motor Company immediately after college. Through charisma, a nose-to-the-grindstone work ethic, brashness, ego, and a deep commitment to his “company man” persona, he became one of the most revered business leaders of the late 20th century– a precursor to Jack Welch and other big-company business gurus. I enjoyed the book, not for its management lessons or leadership insights, but more as a historical document that highlights just how much “big business” in America has changed in my lifetime. A fascinating look back in time that provides context for where American business is today. [A similarly interesting book is Sam Walton: Made in America by Sam Walton of Walmart fame. For some time period contrast, read The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone.]
The Art of Taking Action: Lessons from Japanese Psychology by Gregg Krech – I originally read this book in 2015, which was, in many ways, a lifetime ago– no kids, no podcast, a vastly different job, living in a different city, with less than three years of focused meditation practice under my belt. Rereading this book in 2020, with a much fuller schedule and a seemingly less discursive mind, I enjoyed the book even more. It is loosely based around the principles espoused by Japanese psychologist Shoma Morita and focuses on the importance of taking action over self-analysis, rumination, endless planning, and the like. Krech discusses the psychological harm that can result from procrastination, the downsides of choosing inaction, and the deep relief and contentment that can result from taking action consistently. There are no “hacks,” no secret formula, no way to make taking the initial step of action more pleasant– the trick is to simply begin, build momentum, repeat. Simple, yes. Easy, no. [My second reading of this book was made richer by my daily use of Sam Harris’s Waking Up meditation app. Use this link to try it out free for a month, no strings attached.]
Stillness is the Key by Ryan Holiday – I finished this book just before COVID-Mania took over all forms of media, and I credit it with preemptively reminding me of the importance of calmness, quiet, and mindfulness during what has become an anything-but-calm situation. Following his time-tested formula for weaving together history, biography, and self-help, Holiday makes the case for the value of stillness of mind, even in the most chaotic of circumstances. Citing historical examples ranging from Confucius to Marcus Arelius, JFK to MLK, and even Mr. Rogers, Holiday demonstrates how a cool head in the midst of chaos has made all the difference in high-stakes, stressful situations. And for some possibly odd reason, I really enjoyed his examples of those whose lack of stillness and mindfulness led to their downfalls, with Tiger Woods’ public collapse being Example #1. A timely, useful, and actionable book. [For more assistance calming your mind, Sakyong Mipham’s Turning the Mind Into an Ally is worth a read.
Perennial Seller: The Art of Making and Marketing Work that Lasts by Ryan Holiday – Same author as above, but a completely different subject: Marketing. This book was recommended by a writer/filmmaker/creator that I greatly admire—a person who has managed to build a large, loyal following while maintaining his own unique, authentic voice… all while avoiding the trap of being an annoying salesman or self-promoter. The book lays out simple, practical strategies for creating work that is “evergreen”—that will remain relevant and useful for years or decades after it is published. I underlined passages on almost every page and have revisited the book several times since finishing it in mid-March. I also recommended that everyone at my office read it, as I believe many of its principals could easily be applied to marketing land conservation. Highly recommended. [For another useful book about marketing for those who may not really enjoy selling or self-promotion, check out Seth Godin’s This is Marketing: You Can’t Be Seen Until You Learn to See. Or really anything by Seth.]
Dog Run Moon: Stories by Callan Wink – I heard about Callan Wink from a buddy of mine who insisted that I check out his work. Wink’s resume seemed too good to be true—he’s a summertime Montana fishing guide and a wintertime California surfer, who also happens to write so well that he’s been compared to a Hemingway, Harrison, McGuane, and McCarthy. And even though I’m far from a fiction or literature expert, I’d have to agree that Wink is a damn extraordinary writer. This book is a collection of short stories, many of which are set in southwestern Montana or northern Wyoming—places near and dear to my heart. I loved his vivid descriptions of the region’s landscapes and was blown away by his ability to create such vivid characters with a relatively small number of words. I actually had several dreams about the stories and characters, which is always the sign of an impactful book worth reading. [For a book of powerful non-fiction stories, check out McGuane’s The Longest Silence: A Life in Fishing.]
August: A Novel by Callan Wink — I started this book immediately after finishing the one above, and devoured it at a similar breakneck pace. August is Wink’s first novel, and it’s an expansion of one of his stories from Dog Run Moon. It follows a young man’s life from age 12 through 19, through a series of formative, sometimes tragic, life events, including moving from his home in Michigan to Montana. Wink’s descriptions of Livingston and the surrounding Montana landscapes made me really miss that part of the world, but what really made the book so damn engaging were the characters. I don’t know how Wink did it, but by the end of the book, I felt that I really knew the main character, as well as many of the supporting characters. Wink is a master of dialogue and seems to have an uncanny ability to describe tiny, yet very telling, personality quirks that can clearly define a personality. [Callan will be coming on the podcast soon, so I’m excited to interrogate him about how in the hell he can write like this!]
Ghost Soldiers: The Epic Account of World War II’s Greatest Rescue Mission by Hampton Sides – This was the only Hampton Sides book that I had not yet read, and it was a good one for me to read during this COVID crisis. One of the benefits of reading history is that it reminds me that we humans have had it tough before, sometimes so damn tough that it’s impossible to understand. I picked this book up during a moment of feeling sorry for myself, and it quickly cured me of that unacceptable silliness. The book is the story of the rescue of American prisoners from a Japanese POW camp—a place so brutal that only an author of Sides’ caliber could accurately describe it. The rescue mission plot is combined with details of the Bataan Death March, a horrific chapter of history that was new to me. And as an added personal layer, my maternal grandfather fought in the WWII Pacific Theater, so I grew up hearing stories of his experiences there (along with the Great Depression, another historical rough patch). So if the idea that “things could always be worse” helps you persevere tough times, this book might be for you. [If you’re tired of my writing about books and would rather watch me talk about books, check this video of Hampton and me at the Aspen Institute discussing Blood and Thunder.]
And as is the case with many of us with small children, I’ve started a side career as a preschool teacher. My specialties are reading and recess, with a little math, Magnatiles, gymnastics, and wrestling mixed in. But in all seriousness, it’s been a real joy to read My Side of the Mountain by Jean Craighead George aloud to my oldest daughter, as it was one of my favorite and most formative books from my childhood. We’ve also been thoroughly enjoying Where the Sidewalk Ends and Every Thing On It by Shel Silverstein—fun, clever, hilarious, and impressive. With all three of these books, it seems that my daughter and I are enjoying them equally, which is rare (no offense intended toward Little Blue Truck).
Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt’s American Wilderness by David Gessner – I’ve been eagerly anticipating this book’s publication for nearly three years, and I’m thrilled to report that it surpassed my lofty expectations. One of my all-time heroes (TR) gets the full literary treatment from one of my all-time favorite authors (Gessner), and the result is a unique and useful examination of TR’s influence on conservation, public lands, and the modern-day environmental movement. Gessner’s goal is to examine TR’s legacy clearly, warts and all. There’s no TR sugar-coating in this book—Gessner thoroughly acknowledges and investigates TR’s personal flaws and political failings, just as freely as he praises TR’s positive, seemingly superhuman traits. I’ve plowed through way too many books about TR over the years, and this is hands-down the most balanced, clear-eyed examination of the man I’ve read to date. But it’s not a biography or a straight-up history book, although there’s plenty of both within the pages. It’s a search to capture the best of TR’s conservation ethos, to discard the worst, and to use the balance to build a new, holistic model for conservation and environmental justice—one that melds together a new confluence of ideals that acknowledges the wrongs of the past and sets an equitable, sustainable course for the future. [This book will be released on August 11, 2020. You can pre-order it now, or get warmed up with Edmund Morris’s The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt,the best straight-up biography of TR on the shelf.]
Conscious: A Brief Guide to the Fundamental Mystery of the Mind by Annaka Harris – I picked up this relatively short book thinking I could breeze through it, write a summary, then move on to the next title on my list. But there was no breezing. In fact, I probably spent more time on this book’s 110 pages than any of the other books mentioned in this email, and I consider that a good thing. As the title suggests, it’s a high-level overview of consciousness—basic definitions, descriptions of sometimes-competing theories, and an honest explanation of just how little we truly understand about the concept. The book expands on some of the ideas mentioned in her husband Sam Harris’s books Free Will and Waking Up, and I found Annaka’s explanations more digestible for my not-so-smart brain. Even though this book is dense and presented some challenging concepts, it was a very enjoyable read and kept my often-scattered attention locked in. [For a slightly different exploration of consciousness, check out Michael Pollan’s How to Change Your Mind.]
Atomic Habits: Tiny Changes, Remarkable Results by James Clear – I generally try to steer clear of “self-help” books, and I purposefully avoided this one for nearly two years because I unfairly deemed the title to be gimmicky. But after listening to a super-engaging, long-form interview with the author, I ordered the book, read it, and thoroughly enjoyed it. For me, the most valuable aspect of the book was Clear’s framing of the importance of long-term good habits for living a fulfilling, enjoyable, successful life. He also offers some new-to-me insights on why good habits can be so difficult to create and why bad habits can so quickly spiral out of control. Yes, the book does suggest some specific tips and tactics for building good habits, but those “hacks” are much less interesting to me than this new way of thinking about the need for consistent, deliberate action, day after day. [If you’re looking for a no-nonsense “self-help” book, check out former Navy SEAL Jocko Willink’s Discipline Equals Freedom: Field Manual. Here’s a taste: “People constantly ask me for the secret of getting up early. I tell them it is simple: Set your alarm clock and get out of bed when it goes off.”]
One Sentence Journal: Short Poems and Essays From the World at Large by Chris La Tray – In 2015, following the death of his father, Chris La Tray quit his well-paying job as a manufacturing consultant to pursue a career as a full-time writer. A few years later, he published this book, which has gone on to win both the Montana Book Award and High Plains Book Award. Almost all of the essays and poems are deeply connected to La Tray’s home state of Montana, specifically the area in and around Missoula. La Tray is an enrolled member of the Little Shell Tribe of the Chippewa Indians and provides an incredibly important Indigenous perspective on life in the West. And I greatly appreciated La Tray’s down-to-earth writing style—both his poetry and his essays were welcoming and engaging, allowing me to expand my literary horizons without feeling stupid or self-conscious. [Hate reading? Then listen to my recent podcast conversation with Chris.]
Braided Creek: A Conversation in Poetry by Jim Harrison and Ted Kooser – In the preface of One Sentence Journal, La Tray mentions that reading this book of poetry was a foundational aspect of his journey as a poet. And many of my western writer friends cite Harrison as one of their greatest heroes and influences. The book is a catalog of a long-term, back-and-forth correspondence between Harrison and Kooser, in which they only communicate in poems. Neither man is specifically attributed to any one poem, so I naturally tried to figure out who was writing what (and, sometimes also tried to figure out what the hell they were talking about!). I approached reading this book as I do listening to music—no agenda, not anxiously trying to absorb all the details, not stressed out—just reading it, enjoying it, and letting it rattle around in my brain. Given the stress and anxiety of our current moment in history, this book was a welcome treat. [Another poetry book I love is Ragged Anthem by Chris Dombrowski.]
Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World by Cal Newport – I first read and recommended this book back in 2016, and it has held a spot in my brain as one of the most influential books I’ve read in the past ten years. Newport recently started a very simple yet valuable podcast, which prompted me to revisit this book. The basic premise is that the most valuable skill we can have in today’s society is the ability to focus intensely for long periods of time. Unfortunately, phones, social media, email, etc. erode our ability to hone these important concentration skills. While re-reading, I was struck by 1) how well Newport’s arguments hold up four years later, and 2) how much worse all the electronic distractions have become in a relatively short time period. It also led me to delete my personal Facebook account, which is a bonus. [If you like Deep Work, check out Newport’s most recent book Digital Minimalism.]
Not officially books, but just as important: Adventure Journal, Modern Huntsman, and The Surfer’s Journal. I obviously love books, but I’m also a huge fan of any long-form, thoughtful journalism that goes deep into the topics I love. These three are my all-time favorite publications—independent, scrappy, beautifully crafted, substantive magazines that offer unique perspectives into topics that are very close to my heart. The business of niche publications is not for the faint of heart, even in a booming economy. And during an economic downturn, things can get real dicey, real quick. I’m supporting these three with my dollars, and I’d encourage you to do the same for whatever publications are important to you.
Legends of the Fall by Jim Harrison – I’ve seen the movie multiple times, had numerous podcast guests rave about it, and the book has been sitting on my shelf for years– it’s about time I read Legends of the Fall. I know I’m inexcusably late to the party here, but now I finally understand what all of the Jim Harrison hoopla is about. It only took three pages to become completely engrossed, and I’d finished the entire book by the following afternoon. The book is three separate novellas, all unrelated in their storylines, but each showcasing different aspects of Harrison’s literary wizardry. The final novella was the basis for the Brad Pitt movie that you’ve probably seen, but the first two novellas are just as engrossing, if not more. There’s no point in my attempting to describe this masterpiece– I just encourage you to read it as soon as you can. [Callan Wink is being hailed as the new Jim Harrison, and I loved his book Dog Run Moon.]
Compton Cowboys: The New Generation of Cowboys in America’s Urban Heartland by Walter Thompson-Hernández – Through my reading, podcast interviews, and real life, I’m always encountering people who’ve had their lives changed for the better by horses. Whether we’re talking about injured combat veterans or multi-generational ranchers or city-dwelling artists, horses seem to have a magical ability to form deep connections with humans. This book examines another example of horse-human relationships, specifically in Southern California’s urban landscape. Before reading this book, the only thing I knew about Compton was what I’d heard from Snoop– so every page of this book exposed me to ideas, lifestyles, and culture that were entirely new for me and my experience as a southern white guy living in the Rockies. But as is the case so much of the time, when we scratch through the surface, we find that we share more in common than not. A wonderful book that is perfectly suited for the current moment in history. [For another human-animal connection book, check out The Wolf in the Parlor: How the Dog Came to Share Your Brain by Jon Franklin.]
Raising Good Humans: A Mindful Guide to Breaking the Cycle of Reactive Parenting and Raising Kind, Confident Kids by Hunter Clarke-Fields – In just over five years of being a dad, I had only read two parenting books– I couldn’t find any good titles that seemed to align with my thoughts on raising kiddos. But my wife thankfully stumbled upon this book, and I found it to be enlightening, practical, and actionable. It applies lessons from mindfulness practices to the frequently chaotic process of raising kids, laying out a framework for communication with kids that does not involve threats, bribes, or drill-sergeant-like orders. And much to my surprise, the techniques work, at least with my five-year-old. To be clear, I’m an eastern NC native who firmly believes that Dale “The Intimidator” Earnhardt is the best athlete of all time. I’m not some hippy-dippy yuppy who would likely be associated with a book with this sort of title. [The other two parenting books I’ve read are Bringing Up Bébé by Pamela Druckerman and The Happiest Baby on the Block by Harvey Karp
Kettlebell: Simple and Sinister by Pavel Tsatsouline – Pavel makes the rounds on the “podcasts for middle-aged-dudes” circuit, so I’ve heard him interviewed numerous times. Thanks to his tough-guy demeanor and thick Russian accent, I wrongly assumed that his workouts would be over-the-top brutal (e.g., Rocky IV training montage). Despite his incessant use of the word “manly,” this book lays out one of the most reasonable and effective workout routines that I’ve encountered. It’s simple: kettlebell swings and Turkish get-ups, broken up into small sets, with ample rest and explicit instructions to never red-line your cardio. You perform the workout every day, no exceptions, and it should recharge your body rather than deplete it. In just over two months of following the routine, I’m absolutely amazed by my strength gains (gainzz?) and flexibility improvements. And as a bonus, my running has improved, and my knees don’t hurt. If you’re feeling at a loss for home exercise options during these strange times, this is your book. [If sore knees are what you desire, read Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen by Christopher McDougall, then run nonstop for 30+ hours.]
Mop Rides the Waves of Life by Jaimal Yogis & Matt Allen – I’ve read hundreds of children’s books to my daughters, many of them hundreds of times each. God bless Margaret Wise Brown, but the 287th time reading Goodnight Moon can break the strongest of men, possibly even Paval Tastsouline. Mop Rides the Waves of Life is the first kids’ book that seems to get better with each reading. Written by one of my favorite (adult) authors, it’s a kids’ introduction to mindfulness, told through the story of a pint-sized surfer dude with great hair. Both of my girls love it and, no joke, my oldest snapped out of a mini-tantrum when I reminded her to “be like Mop.” This is one of those rare kids’ books that is just as useful for parents as it is for kiddos. [Jaimal wrote one of my all-time faves: Saltwater Buddha: A Surfer’s Quest to Find Zen on the Sea.]
The Fish That Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America’s Banana King by Rich Cohen – I didn’t finish as many books as normal during July-August, so I’m throwing in a bonus recommendation. I read this book a few years before starting this email list, and I think about it often. It’s the story of Samuel Zemurray, an immigrant who began his career in the United States peddling bananas out of a broken-down cart. Fast-forward a few decades, Zemurray has dominated the United Fruit Company for control of the global banana trade, incited a revolution in Central America, and established himself and one of the richest and most powerful men in the United States. He’s the walking, talking example of “only in America,” and Cohen does an excellent job highlighting both the impressive and despicable aspects of this one-of-a-kind businessman. A fun, memorable, and easy-to-read book. [Another memorable titan-of-industry profile is The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life by Alice Schroeder.]
Chasing the Light: Writing, Directing, and Surviving Platoon, Midnight Express, Scarface, Salvador, and the Movie Game by Oliver Stone – Every time I’ve seen Oliver Stone interviewed, I’ve made a mental note along the lines of “That guy seems like quite a character. I wonder what his story is?” Well, after plowing through 300+ pages of his memoir, I can say with certainty that he is quite a character, and a super-intense one at that. This book covers his life up through the production of Platoon– from his service and bravery in Vietnam to his dark days of rampant drug use in Hollywood, from hanging out with international organized crime bosses to scraping together funding for his films. Stone offers up the full blow-by-blow of his wild and intense life, and doesn’t seem to hold anything back. Reading the book gave me a little taste of what it must be like to be inside the head of someone genuinely, perhaps unhealthily, obsessed with their art. Exhausting at the times, but memorable, instructive, and entertaining as hell. [Surprisingly, one of my all-time favorite memoirs is Flea’s Acid for the Children.]
Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown – The pandemic and its associated insanity forced me to take a hard look at how I spend my time, evaluating what is truly important for my family and me. This book popped into my life at just the right moment and confirmed some ideas that I’d been considering, but did not have the confidence to act on fully. Namely, that saying yes to all opportunities is a bad idea, and that it is impossible to do meaningful, effective work if stretched too thin. Seems like common sense, huh? Most conscientious people seem to understand the downsides of too many commitments, but (like me) have trouble figuring out what to keep and what to eliminate. Essentialism offers some specific techniques for saying no and reducing commitment clutter– not cute little “life hacks” but concrete, useful, simple-but-not-easy frameworks for cutting out life’s nonsense. I’d recommend this book at any time, but it’s especially important now, during these nutty, hectic days. [For more on focus and eliminating distraction, I once again recommend Cal Newport’s Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World.]
White Working Class: Overcoming Class Cluelessness in America by Joan C. Williams – If you’re like me, you’ve probably spent much of the past few years trying to understand what the hell is going on with politics in the United States. As many of you know from this email list, I obsessively consume history. Still, I’ve been at a loss to find any historical framework to clarify this current political, economic, and social moment. One of the smartest, rational, most measured humans I know recommended this book, and I’m very glad I read it. It’s short and easy to crank through, but it offers some very valuable context around the socio-economic shifts that have slowly transformed many long-standing norms in the U.S. I have to admit that I was previously “clueless” to many of the ideas presented in this book– thankfully, it provided a much-needed broader perspective, helping me be more compassionate and open minded when encountering political beliefs different than my own. [For more on cultivating compassion, look no further than my guru Pema Chodron. Start With Where You Are: A Guide to Compassionate Living is a good entry point.]
Greenlights by Matthew McConaughey – I have a severe aversion to anything associated with celebrities, with two glaring exceptions: The Rock and McConaughey. So obviously, when I heard that McConaughey was releasing a memoir, I bought it the day it was published (and I’ll do the same when/if The Rock publishes one). If the Stone memoir above is on one side of the intensity spectrum, Greenlights is its polar opposite. And spending time in McConaughey’s head is a much more fun place to be than Stone’s. But this book is not cotton candy silliness– there are valuable life lessons throughout the book, useful ideas around focus, risk, hard work, preparation, intention, and optimism. For years, I have admired McConaughey’s transformation from rom-com pretty boy to super-committed, risk-taking Oscar winner, and this book provides the backstory on that evolution. It’s also important for me to see that someone can be an focused, self-reflective, fully committed creator, without the over-the-top self-loathing that plagues so many world-class artists. If you are at all intrigued by McConaughey and his one-of-a-kind style, you’ll love this book. [Another all-time favorite memoir is Shoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of Nike by Phil Knight.]
Lords of the Fly: Madness, Obsession, and the Hunt for the World-Record Tarpon by Monte Burke – This book was awesome. I loved it. I’m by no means an obsessed fisherman– if I’m taking a trip to the beach, it’s to surf, not cast a fly rod. But if you love to learn about people who are maniacally obsessed with their craft, you’ll be consumed by this story. As the subtitle states, it’s the history of fly fishing for tarpon in Florida, from the earliest known instances of the sport to the big-money, high-tech, ultra-competitive pursuit of world records. Burke is obviously a master when it comes to writing about fly fishing, the coastal ecosystem, and epic man vs. tarpon battles. But what really drew me in were his vivid descriptions of the eccentric wildmen who’ve devoted their lives to chasing these prehistoric fish. From the 70s in Key West with legends like Tom McGuane and Jim Harrison, to modern-day obsessives like David Mangum, (who physically fights people encroaching on his secret spots), I could not get enough of Burke’s mini-biographies of crazed and committed anglers. [Monte also wrote one of my favorite biographies of another obsessed record-chaser: Saban: The Making of a Coach.]
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck – This book has been recommended time and again, year after year, and my recent podcast conversation with Mike Foote convinced me to move it to the top of the bedside table stack. Wow, what an amazing work of art. While I was quickly drawn into the novel’s plot and enjoyed almost every page, the book’s real power comes from its examination and subtle critique of American society. The book caused me to think long and hard about many of the incentives that drive the US economy—both back in the days of the Dust Bowl and Depression, all the way up to our current pandemic-influenced economic and employment crises. Portions of the book absolutely infuriated me, not because of the make-believe tragedies happening to Steinbeck’s make-believe characters, but because versions of these tragedies are still happening to real people today, nearly a century later. As a person who reads far too little fiction, I can say that this book has led to more self-examination and analysis of critical societal issues than any non-fiction book I’ve read recently. [For a memorable/terrifying portrait of the brave souls who chose to stay in Oklahoma rather than strike out to California, check out Timothy Egan’s The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl.]
The Practice: Shipping Creative Work by Seth Godin – If Seth Godin writes it, I’m going to buy it and read it—so know that this recommendation is heavily biased. This book was written for anyone who does (or dreams of doing) creative work, yet struggles with the surprisingly tough challenge of consistently putting their creation out into the world. Even though it is broken up into more than 200 short, quick chapters, this may be Seth’s most dense book to date. I underlined passages on almost every page, and, at times, felt overwhelmed by the amount of actionable wisdom that Seth was cramming into my brain. I’ve been reading Seth closely for years, and this book presented many new ideas and reinforced many of his time-tested thoughts on the creative process. This is one of those books I will revisit regularly, and I’m thankful to have it as a resource for years to come. [You can’t go wrong with any of Seth’s books, but my favorites are Purple Cow, Tribes, What To Do When It’s Your Turn, Linchpin, and This is Marketing.]
Ninety-Two in the Shade by Thomas McGuane – After reading Monte Burke’s amazing Lords of the Fly, I became obsessed with trying to imagine Key West in the 1970s. Monte’s stories of Tom McGuane, Jim Harrison, Richard Brautigan, Russell Chatham, Jimmy Buffett, and Hunter S. Thompson’s exploits related to fishing and art captured my imagination to the point that I had a few dreams about it. Several trusted voracious readers recommended Ninety-Two in the Shade as the best representation of the wild times and nutty characters that created the community of 1970s Key West. Even though it’s a novel, the book delivered—although I’ve never been to Key West, I felt like I’d spent a few days there. The book is hilarious, insane, and beautifully written in a style that only McGuane can offer. I’d love to know the backstories of this book’s main characters, as I suspect they are based on real people and real events from 40+ years ago—events that very well could have been even wilder and stranger than fiction. [Check out my recent podcast with Monte Burke to hear a discussion of Key West in the 70s and its foundational influence on today’s art and literature here in the American West. And for another wonderful book about fishing, check out Chris Dombrowski’s Body of Water: A Sage, a Seeker, and the World’s Most Alluring Fish.]
Zero to One: Notes of Startups, or How to Build the Future by Peter Thiel – I love books written by uber-successful people that confidently contradict conventual wisdom—particularly wisdom related to economic and business, my fields of study back in the day. In this book, Thiel—founder of PayPal and first investor in Facebook—turns many well-worn theories on their heads, including ideas related to monopolies, competition, and goal-driven societies. Many of the ideas were 100% new to me. Despite the heavy subject matter, the book is relatively short, easy to read, and entertaining– much more fun to read than most books from my formal education. I’ll be interested to see how Thiel’s ideas age as they marinate in my brain over the coming months. But as of today, I’d say that this book shifted my thinking ever so slightly– the mark of a great book. [One of the most memorable and useful books from graduate school was The Art of Strategy: A Game Theorist’s Guide to Success in Business and Life. I reference it often, even after reading it more than a decade ago.]
Painted Horses by Malcolm Brooks – I think the personal and societal shifts brought about by the pandemic may have altered my brain chemistry because I’m reading (and loving) novels more than ever before. If you enjoyed McMurty’s Lonesome Dove, then I can just about guarantee you will love Painted Horses. It’s a large-scale epic of the American West that marries rich characters, stunning landscapes, real-life history, and beautiful lyrical prose into a one-of-a-kind novel you won’t be able to put down. The novel is set in 1950s Montana, a time period I haven’t read much about (or if I did, it must not have made much of an impression). Like Grapes of Wrath above, Painted Horses illuminated many real-world historical issues and timeless truths, but in an entertaining manner that is much richer than plain-old history. Amazingly, Painted Horses was Brooks’s first published novel, so I’m anxiously awaiting his next one, set to be published this spring. [Malcolm was kind enough to join me on the podcast to discuss this book and his writing process, as well as to answer my question about how in the hell a human can write so epically. Also, if you haven’t already, read Lonesome Dove.]
The Ramblings of a “Conquistador of the Useless”
This episode is a little different than normal– it’s me being interviewed on the Off the Couch podcast by my friends Jonathan Ellsworth and Brendan Leonard. Brendan is likely familiar to many of you long-time listeners– he joined me on the podcast a few years ago to discuss his writing career, his film “How to Run 100 Miles” and his blog Semi-Rad. Jonathan is the creator of Blister, an amazing online resource that includes outdoor gear reviews, a podcast network, and much more. Jonathan will be joining me on this podcast in the coming months.
Jonathan and Brendan were nice enough to invite me on Off the Couch to discuss a somewhat silly challenge that I imposed on myself on my 43rd birthday. Every hour on the hour for 24 hours, I ran a 1.3-mile loop around my neighborhood. In between laps, I did a long list of tasks that I had been putting off, including stacking firewood, cleaning and rearranging my basement, sending a ridiculous number of emails, and other mindless tasks. The whole thing was based on a film by a guy named Beau Miles who did a similar challenge in Australia. I stumbled across the film on Youtube and decided to give it a shot a few days later. I’ve linked to that film in the episode notes.
That birthday challenge was just one part of what turned out to be a wide-ranging conversation about a ton of fun and funny topics. We discussed the backstory on the Mountain & Prairie, my experiences running 50 and 100-mile races, some scary moments I’ve had running ultras, why I’m so obsessed with reading books, and some of my favorite books from 2020. There were enough interesting topics that overlap with what we discuss here on Mountain & Prairie, so I thought some of y’all might enjoy it and get a few laughs at my expense.
If you’re interested in running and some of the fascinating characters that the sport attracts, I encourage you to check out Off the Couch. You’ll recognize a few past Mountain & Prairie guests, including Mike Foote and Joe Grant, but all of the episodes are fun and inspiring. There’s a link in the episode notes, so check it out. Enjoy!
Top photo by Ed, from the top of Gothic Mountain outside Crested Butte
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- Ed’s podcast, Mountain & Prairie (3:32)
- The Procrastinator’s Punishment 50k (11:49)
- Ed’s Scary DNF (33:02)
- Ed’s Gross DNF (39:21)
- Triathlon community vs the Ultra community (42:11)
- Ed’s bi-monthly book recommendations (47:20)
Information Referenced:
- Off the Couch
- Blister
- Semi-Rad
- Beau Miles – A Mile An Hour
- Blister Podcast Network
- All of Brendan’s Books
- How to Run 100 Miles film
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Brendan Leonard – Grinding It Out
- Mike Foote – Perfection Is In the Process
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Kyle Richardson – Mountains & Music
- Joe Grant – Self-Powered Alpine Adventurer
- Steve Casimiro – Voice of Adventure
Chris Douglas – An Unexpected Artistic Journey
Chris Douglas is a Montana-based photographer and creative director who is one of the most sought-after visual storytellers in the American West. Chris is a go-to photographer for iconic brands such as Filson, Stetson, and Mossy Oak, and his editorial work appears regularly in publications including Modern Huntsman and Men’s Journal. In a world flooded with iPhone photography and armchair creatives, Chris’s work stands out as being artistically stunning and of the highest professional caliber.
When viewing Chris’s work, most people would assume that he’s been laser focused on photography for his entire career. But even though his interest in photography began at age ten, the first half of his career was spent in front of the lens– first as an international model for brands such as Versace, and then as a successful television actor. But life moving between LA, New York, and Milan was not a fit with his love of the outdoors, so Chris eventually moved to Montana, where he continued his life-long passion for hunting and adventure. Then, as you’ll hear him describe, Chris was severely injured in a horse accident, which became the catalyst that led him to leave acting behind and devote his full energies to photography.
Those of you who are long-time listeners know that I spend a lot of time preparing for each of these interviews, but, as you’ll hear, I was completely surprised by much of Chris’s story. Chris is unbelievably humble and keeps a low profile, so I was honored that he was open to sharing his full journey with me on the podcast. We started out chatting about his upbringing in east Tennessee and his tight-knit, supportive family that he credits with being the foundation for all of his success. Then we discussed his fascinating career trajectory– from international model to soap opera star to television host to photographer. We had a great conversation about his Native American ancestry and how Native culture has influenced his work and family’s life in Montana.
Chris’s story is both entertaining and instructive– he is a wonderful example of how life’s unexpected twists and turns can lead people on the most interesting journeys. And how hard work, humility, creativity, and professionalism can result in a one-of-a-kind life and career. Check out the extensive episode notes for links to everything we discuss. Enjoy!
Photos courtesy of Chris Douglas, top photos of Chris by Paul King
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Topics Discussed:
- 5:00 – Where Chris grew up
- 6:45 – How did Chris become interested in photography?
- 10:00 – Chris’s other artistic talents
- 11: 15 – Chris beginning to work with Bruce Weber
- 16:00 – Chris learning more about photography through observation
- 18:00 – Social media’s impact on photography from Chris’s perspective
- 19:00 – Chris pursuing his passion for hunting while modeling
- 22:45 – Chris reflects on the best and worst parts of his career in front of the camera
- 24:30 – What pushed Chris to spend time in the outdoors in the middle of a successful modeling/acting career
- 26:00 – Why Chris decided to move to Montana
- 28:30 –Chris’s gradual transition to professional photography behind the lens
- 30:30 – Chris’s horse accident
- 39:30 – Chris reflects on all the jobs that got him to where he is now
- 42:00 – Chris’s keys to success in business and photography
- 47:00 – Chris’s Native heritage
- 50:00 – Chris reflects on learning about his heritage
- 55:43 – Where Chris thinks his career will go from here
- 58:15 – Book recommendations
- 1:01:45 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Chris Douglas Photography
- Clinton, Tennessee
- Clinch River
- Melton Hill Dam (lake)
- Cannon AE-1
- Dale Hollow Lake
- Bruce Weber
- Versace
- Steven Meisel
- Arthur Elgort
- Soft Box light
- Bob Frame
- Norman Seeff
- KISS
- Calvin Klein
- Ralph Lauren
- One Life to Live
- North Salem, NY
- Broadhead arrows
- Great Smoky Mountains National Park
- Yellowstone National Park
- McAllister, MT
- Ennis, MT
- Bozeman, MT
- Trail Creek trail
- The Young and the Restless
- Passions
- Scott Gurney/Gurney Productions
- NFR (National Finals Rodeo)
- Leo Burnet
- Marlboro ad campaigns (Marlboro Man)
- Yeti
- Cherokee
- Pocahontas
- Ellijay, GA
- Panthertown, NC
- Lame Deer, MT
- Powwow
- Crow
- Charles Frazier
- Mari Sandoz
- Charles Eastman
- Lakota
- Filson
- Rick Bass
- E. Donnall Thomas
- Cormac McCarthy
- Michael Fox
- Robert M. Pirsig
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Ivan McClellan – A New Look at the Old West
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Pete McBride – A Passion for Water & Wild Places
- Alexis Bonogofsky – Taking a Stand for the West
- Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
- Duke Phillips III – A Vision for the New West
- Duke Phillips IV – Living with the Land
Monte Burke – Exploring Obsession
Monte Burke is a journalist, New York Times bestselling author, and contributing editor at Forbes, Garden & Gun, and The Drake. His most recent book is Lords of the Fly: Madness, Obsession, and the Hunt for the World-Record Tarpon, which was one of the best books I read in 2020. He’s also the author of Saban: The Making of a Coach, which also happens to be one of my all-time favorite books. Whether he’s writing about fly fishing, Colorado conservationists, elk hunting, or football, Monte’s work is always impeccably researched and fun to read.
I loved every page of Lords of the Fly, and both anglers and non-anglers alike will be drawn into the book’s engaging story and wild characters. One of my favorite aspects of the book was how it opened my eyes to the connections between the 1970s Florida fishing scene and modern-day art, poetry, and literature of the American West. Western luminaries who are frequently mentioned on this podcast– Tom McGuane, Jim Harrison, Richard Brautigan, Russell Chatham, and more– all created art and chased tarpon together in Florida in the 1970s. They all eventually moved West and became some of the most respected western artists of their time, but were it not for the creative foundation they built in Florida, today’s western literary and art scene would look quite different.
Monte and I had a fun and wide-ranging conversation discussing everything from fly fishing to fatherhood. We started out talking about Lords of the Fly— we obviously talked about the crew of anglers that included McGuane and Harrison, but we also discussed the full cast of obsessed characters who make up the history of fly fishing for tarpon. Monte explains why this story was so compelling to him, and he discusses some of the headwinds he encountered while trying to get the book published. We discuss Monte’s attraction to writing about intense, obsessed people, whether they happen to be world champion coaches or anglers. We chatted about Monte’s writing and journalism career, as well as some of the routines that allow him to be such a prolific writer. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, authors, films, and he offers up some wise parting words.
If you love fishing and literature, or if you’re an aspiring writer or artist, this episode is chock-full of useful information. Be sure to check out the show notes for links to everything we discuss– this episode may very well hold the record for most books and authors recommended! Hope you enjoy!
Photos courtesy of Monte Burke
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:50 – Why Monte was drawn into the story of fly fishing for tarpon
- 8:30 – Early stages of writing the book
- 14:30 – Jim Harrison, Tom McGuane, and tarpon fishing
- 20:45 – What McGuane such a unique writer?
- 23:15 – Monte’s decision to include himself in the story
- 26:45 – His obsession with obsessed people
- 31:15 – Monte’s personal obsessions
- 35:45 – How having children affected his outlook and career
- 40:15 – When writing and reading became his focus
- 42:45 – Getting started in journalism + writing at night
- 45:45 – The coolest part of writing
- 48:45 – Writing routine
- 53:15 – Techniques for convincing people to share their stories
- 56:15 – Writers that Monte admires
- 59:45 – Favorite books
- 1:00:30 – Favorite movie
- 1:02:15 – Favorite place in the West
- 1:03:45 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Monte Burke
- Lords of the Fly by Monte Burke
- Pegasus Books
- Saban by Monte Burke
- All books by Monte Burke
- Garden & Gun magazine
- Forbes magazine
- Steve Huff profile by Monte
- Carl Hiaasen profile by Monte
- Thomas McGuane
- Jim Harrison
- Russell Chatham
- Richard Brautigan
- Hunter S Thompson
- Rinella – McGuane podcast
- Ninety-Two in the Shade by Thomas McGuane
- Richard Ford
- Pappyland by Wright Thompson
- The Orchid Thief by Susan Orlean
- Valley Uprising
- The Last Dance
- John McPhee
- Michael Lewis
- Ian Frazier
- Emily St John Mandel
- James Salter
- Wallace Stegner
- The Sisters Brothers by Patrick DeWitt
- The Great Gatsby by F Scott Fitzgerald
- Light Years by James Salter
- Trading Places
- Ketchum, ID
- Henry’s Fork
- Howler Brothers
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story
- Callan Wink – A New Voice for the New West
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West
- Malcolm Brooks – Epic Tales from the American West
- Peter Heller – Chasing the Flow
- Chris La Tray – Rediscovering His Past, Writing His Future
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West
Malcolm Brooks – Epic Tales from the American West
Malcolm Brooks is a Montana-based author best known for his epic novel Painted Horses, a sweeping, large-scale tale of life in the American West in the 1950s. Published in 2015, Painted Horses has quickly become a classic among those who love Western literary fiction. Even more impressive, Painted Horses was Malcolm’s first published novel– a truly remarkable feat when you consider the story’s breadth and depth and its characters.
Malcolm’s obsession with writing began at age fourteen when a teacher gave him a copy of Larry McMurtry’s Lonesome Dove during an incredibly formative period of his life. From that point on, Malcolm was laser-focused on becoming an author– so much so that he completed his first full-length novel when he was only 18 years old. Malcolm continued to consistently write throughout his twenties, experiencing moderate success in journalism, but never publishing a novel. When he was in his early thirties, Malcolm decided to go all-in on writing his dream novel– “to go big or go home” as he says– and he began the five-year process of writing Painted Horses. It’s safe to say that his efforts paid off– Painted Horses has been compared to the works of Cormac McCarthy, Wallace Stegner, and more.
Malcolm and I were introduced by another gifted author and past podcast guest, Chris Dombrowski, and we had a wonderful conversation. If you’re interested in the creative process or the ins-and-outs of craftsmanship, you will love this episode. We started out by talking about our mutual love of Lonesome Dove, and Malcolm shares how that book changed the trajectory of his life. We discuss Malcolm’s upbringing, formal education, commitment to carpentry, and artistic and literary influences. We obviously discuss Painted Horses, and he offers a sneak preview of his upcoming novel, Cloudmaker. Malcolm tells a great story about finding an ancient buffalo skull and offers tons of great book recommendations. And finally, he has some wise parting words that I think you’ll find useful and timely.
Thanks to Malcolm for taking the time to chat. Be sure to check out the episode notes for links to everything we discuss. Hope you enjoy!
Photo courtesy of Malcolm Brooks
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:30 – Influence of Lonesome Dove
- 9:30 – When did Malcolm discover he wanted to be a writer?
- 10:30 – Malcolm’s foray into carpentry and its overlaps with his writing
- 11:30 – Malcolm’s first manuscript
- 14:00 – When did Malcolm first get published?
- 15:45 – How Malcolm first became interested in Montana
- 17:45 – Malcolm’s formal education experience
- 20:30 – Painted Horses
- 22:30 – Malcolm’s self-critique and artistic influences
- 25:30 – Malcolm’s writing process
- 27:30 – Is writing fun for Malcolm?
- 28:15 – Legends of the Fall
- 30:30 – The importance of reading to Malcolm
- 32:00 – The importance of supplementary income for creatives and authors
- 37:00 – Malcolm’s advice for finishing a project and notes on new projects he is working on
- 40:30 – Yellowstone and its impact on American Western-focused television
- 41:30 – What authors does Malcolm admire?
- 48:00 – Slight teaser for Malcolm’s upcoming book, Cloudmaker
- 51:45 – What other art has shaped Malcolm’s world view?
- 53:30 – Malcolm’s most powerful experience in the outdoors
- 1:00:00 – Words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Malcolm Brooks
- Larry McMurtry
- Placerville, CA
- Ken Kesey
- Frances Kuffel
- The Flathead, Flathead Valley
- MFA, University of Montana
- William Kittredge
- Thomas McGuane
- Jim Harrison
- Rich Little
- Stephen King
- Larry Brown
- Donald Ray Pollock
- Hal Hearing
- Yellowstone
- Taylor Sheridan
- Steven Bodio
- Tony Hillerman
- Edward Abbey
- Granville Stewart
- Mary MacLane
- Friedrich Nietzsche
- Mark Twain
- Charles Lindbergh
- John Wayne
- Humphrey Bogart
- Orson Wells
- Fancis Ford Coppola
- Martin Scorsese
- Cybill Shepherd
- Jeff Bridges
- Steven Rinella
- Smith River
- Juanita Vero, Missoula County Commissioner
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Peter Heller – Chasing the Flow
- Hampton Sides, Part 2 – How to Tell a Damn Good Story
- Chris Dombrowski – Words, Water & the West
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Chris La Tray – Rediscovering His Past, Writing His Future
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West
- David Gessner, Part 3 – A Confluence of Conservation Ideals
VIRTUAL EVENT – In Conversation with Jim Howell
Please join me Tuesday, December 1 at 7:30 PM MST for what is sure to be a fascinating and wide-ranging video conversation with Jim Howell, CEO of Grasslands, LLC. Jim is also a past two-time podcast guest, a co-founder of the Savory Institute, author of For the Love of Land (one of my favorite books), endurance aficionado, committed family man, and all-around-great guy.
I expect a fun conversation about regenerative agriculture, Grasslands’ newest Colorado ranches, challenges and opportunities of ranching in the alpine, COVID’s effects on the cattle business, books, and hopefully lots of Q&A from the audience.
REGISTER VIA ZOOM
These Mountain & Prairie video chats are usually reserved exclusively for Patreon supporters, but I’m excited to open this one up to everyone. If you enjoy it and glean value from the conversation, I hope you’ll sign up to support the podcast via Patreon. Starting in January 2021, I’ll be hosting monthly video chats with a variety of innovators of the American West, conversations that will allow plenty of interaction from the viewers.
For the uninitiated, here are a few resources that will give you some background on Jim and his work:
Jim’s First and Second M&P episodes
For the Love of Land: Global Case Studies of Grazing in Nature’s Image by Jim Howell
See you on Tuesday night!
Mike Foote – Perfection is in the Process
Mike Foote is a Montana-based professional ultrarunner and ski mountaineer who is best known for his inspiring performances in 100-mile ultramarathons and multiday endurance expeditions through wild landscapes. In 2018, he set the world record for the most vertical feet climbed and skied in 24 hours– a mind-blowing 61,200 feet. And in addition to his impressive athletic career, Mike is also a committed conservationist, serving on the board of directors of the Five Valleys Land Trust, an innovative conservation organization that serves the five valleys surrounding Missoula.
Mike grew up in Ohio and had never visited the American West until a life-changing college road trip took him to Moab, Utah. He instantly fell in love with the wide-open landscapes of the American West– so much so that he left college in Ohio and moved to Steamboat Springs, Colorado. During that first year in Steamboat, Mike became obsessed with the mountains– skiing, running, and enjoying all aspects of life in a Rocky Mountain ski town. Although the learning curve was steep, Mike loved every minute of his new life in the mountains, and he gradually became more and more obsessed with endurance sports. Fast forward to today, and Mike’s list of endurance accomplishments is astonishing– he’s earned podium finishes at some of the world’s most notable races, including the Hardrock, UTMB, Big Horn 100, and more.
Despite all of his world-class athletic accomplishments, Mike is an amazingly down-to-earth and humble guy. We had a wonderful conversation and managed to cover a lot in a little over an hour– topics that will be impactful to runners and nonrunners alike. We started by discussing his early years in Ohio and that fateful, life-changing trip out West. We talked about his progression in endurance sports, and his transformation from complete beginner to North Face sponsored athlete to race director of The Rut Mountain Runs. We spend a lot of time talking about mental health, and Mike graciously shares some of the techniques, books, and resources that have helped him manage the inevitable ups and downs in life and sport. We also talk about his hands-on work with the Five Valleys Land Trust, and why he has chosen to be so deeply involved in conservation. And Mike is a voracious reader, so he offers up quite a few excellent recommendations throughout the conversation.
This is an excellent episode, and I can’t thank Mike enough for being so open and thoughtful throughout the entire conversation. I hope you enjoy!
Header photo by Steven Gnam, headshot by Clayton Boyd
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:00 – Where Mike grew up
- 5:45 – What drew Mike out West
- 11:50 – What was Mike’s first year out West like
- 14:25 – When Mike first started running
- 15:45 When did Mike realize he had a talent for distance running
- 19:10 – How did Mike end up in Missoula?
- 21:20 – Mentality shift from ”just going running” (paraphrased) to professional, goal-oriented training?
- 27:35 – What drives Mike on his runs?
- 32:00 – Community of ultra-endurance events
- 35:47 – Mike getting into the race directing business
- 39:57 – How does Mike deal with the mental struggles when running.
- 46:20 – Mike’s book recommendations for setting his mind right
- 49:00 – The importance of having deep conversations about mental health
- 50:30 – Mike’s commitment to land conservation
- 59:00 – General book recommendations
- 1:02:42 – Film recommendations
- 1:06:00 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Mike Foote Instagram
- Catalina Marathon
- The North Face
- Wasatch 100
- Hardrock 100
- UTMB
- VIDEO: Mike Foote breaks world record for most vertical feet skied in 24 hours
- Ben Parsons
- The Rut Mountain Runs
- Mountain & Prairie: Live in Bozeman
- Essentialism by Greg McKeown
- Tim Ferriss
- Daring Greatly, Brene Brown
- Wendell Berry
- Mary Oliver
- Hafiz
- Wherever You Go, There You Are, Jon Kabat-Zinn, PhD
- Pema Chodron
- Land Trust Alliance
- Outdoor Retailer (“OR”)
- Five Valleys Land Trust
- Collapse by Jared Diamond
- Ed’s book recommendations
- Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck
- East of Eden, John Steinbeck
- The Brothers K, David James Duncan
- Hamilton
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- Steve Casimiro – Voice of Adventure
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Kyle Richardson – Mountains & Music
- Juanita Vero, Part 2 – A Deep Desire to Serve
- Pete McBride – A Passion for Water & Wild Places
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Chandra Brown – Fostering Creativity Through River Adventures
- Hampton Sides – Live at the Aspen Institute
NEW WEST DISPATCH: Matt Skoglund – Ranching in the Age of COVID
If you’ve listened to the podcast for a while, then you’re probably familiar with each episode’s general format: I have a long-form conversation with an interesting person who is doing important work in the American West. We usually spend about half of the time discussing their work and the other half discussing their personal backstory—a format that I thoroughly enjoy and seems to have struck a chord with a surprisingly large audience of listeners. The episodes are designed to be evergreen—whether you listen to them now or ten years from now, guests offer up timeless lessons you can apply to your own life.
But given our current moment in history and the public health, economic, social, and environmental challenges that have been accelerated by COVID, I’ve decided to periodically experiment with a new episode format, one that I’m calling New West Dispatches. In each New West Dispatch, I’ll speak with an expert about a very specific, current issue that is creating challenges for a specific sector of the American West. We’ll dig deep into the nitty gritty of the topic, going into more detail than usual, with the goal of gaining a better understanding of time-sensitive issues facing the West. We’ll hear firsthand stories from people on the front lines of their sectors, and discuss solutions to the problems at hand. The vast majority of Mountain & Prairie episodes will continue to follow the tried-and-true interview format, but every so often, as opportunities present themselves, I’ll look forward to getting a little more technical with Dispatches.
My guest for the first New West Dispatch is Matt Skoglund. Matt is an attorney-turned-bison rancher who joined me on the podcast last year for a fun and wide-ranging conversation about his path to founding his business North Bridger Bison. Matt came back to discuss some of the specific COVID-related challenges facing his bison business, specifically the astounding shortage of meat processing facilities throughout the American West. As you may remember, when COVID hit in March, there were endless news stories about meat shortages and breakdowns in supply chains linking producers and consumers. Although it’s not on the front page of the paper anymore, large-scale challenges persist, and Matt is in the middle of it all on a daily basis. So he was kind enough to return to the podcast to share his extensive knowledge on the subject, and to offer some potential solutions toward bolstering the food production system here in the West.
Matt covers a lot of ground in less than an hour, so be sure to check out the episode notes for a list of all the topics we discuss and links to resources. Hope you enjoy!
All photos by Chris Douglas for Boot Barn
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:00 – Overview of North Bridger Bison
- 8:30 – COVID’s effects on meatpacking
- 11:45 – Big outbreaks in packing plants
- 15:30 – Challenges to regenerative ag because of COVID
- 17:30 – Cause of the processing backlog
- 21:00 – Fragility of the US food system
- 23:30 – What prevents entrepreneurs from opening more processing plants?
- 26:00 – Appreciation for good meat
- 29:30 – Grazing as healing for the ecosystem
- 33:00 – Will more meat processing businesses open?
- 35:15 – Will meat processing go back to “normal” after post-COVID?
- 39:00 – Gov. Steve Bullock’s COVID relief
- 40:30 – Labor shortages
- 42:00 – The art of butchery
- 44:00 – Be intentional with impact
- 49:00 – Externalities of cheap meat
- 53:00 – Books to read about meat
- 54:30 – Productive actions to take
Information Referenced:
- North Bridger Bison
- Matt’s first Mountain & Prairie episode
- Wild Idea Buffalo
- Dan O’Brien
- Gallatin Valley Land Trust
- Natural Resources Defense Council
- COVID outbreaks at meat processing plants
- NBB Bees and Butterflies shirt
- Niche Meat Processor Assistance Network
- PRIME Act
- Governor Steve Bullock
- Miles City Community College
- The Jungle by Upton Sinclair
- Buffalo for the Broken Heart by Dan O’Brien
- Nourishment by Fred Provenza
- Kate Kavanaugh episode
- Kate Kavanaugh in the NY Times
- Ed’s “Good News” email
Enjoy this episode? Then you might like these as well:
- Duke Phillips IV – Living with the Land
- Duke Phillips III – A Vision for the New West
- Kate Kavanaugh – Regeneration & Restoration
- Daniela Ibarra-Howell – Healing the Land Holistically
- Jim Howell – Conserving and Restoring the World’s Grasslands
- Carlos Fernandez – The Power of Partnerships
VIRTUAL EVENT – In Conversation with Kate Kavanaugh
VIRTUAL EVENT – In Conversation with Kate Kavanaugh
I hope you’ll join me on Tuesday, October 27th at 7PM mountain for a wide-ranging, live video chat with my good friend Kate Kavanaugh. Kate is a farmer, entrepreneur, and regenerative agriculture advocate who co-owns and operates Western Daughters Butcher Shoppe in Denver. Since our podcast episode, she and her partner Josh purchased a farm in the northeast, where they have been living and working since early this year. Kate’s episode was one of the most popular in recent memory, so if you haven’t listened already, I’d encourage you to do so here.
Kate and I have a lot to discuss—the new farm, adjusting to life in the east, challenges around starting a farm, and how these past crazy eight months have affected everything from Kate’s outlook to the business of Western Daughters. Kate is always ready to offer up excellent book recommendations, as well as interesting ideas around nutrition and mental health. We will be devoting lots of time to Q&A, so bring your questions.
Every single time I have the pleasure of chatting with Kate, I leave the conversation inspired and educated, so I know you will too!
This event is exclusively for Mountain & Prairie Patreon supporters at the “Intense TR” ($5) level and above. To learn more about Patreon, become a patron, and access the Google Meet link for the event, click the button below:
A sincere thanks to everyone who has so generously supported the podcast through Patreon over the years– its means the world and has allowed me to expand the podcast in ways that I never thought possible!
Hope to see you on Tuesday!
Photos courtesy of Kate Kavanaugh
Juanita Vero, Part 2 – A Deep Desire to Serve
If you’re a long-time listener, then surely you remember Juanita Vero. Juanita is a fourth-generation Montana rancher, conservationist, community leader, and all-around inspiring woman. She’s also a devoted public servant, serving as a Missoula County Commissioner, where she gets her hands dirty with the critical and often not-so-glamorous work of county government. Juanita’s name will be on the ballot in Missoula County this November, where she is hoping to win a six-year term to continue her service as a Commissioner.
Juanita joined me on the podcast back in 2018, then again on stage at last year’s live podcast in Bozeman, so her personal story is probably familiar. I wanted to have her back on the show as we approach the election because her story serves as an inspiring example of how citizens can push outside of their comfort zones to lead the communities they love. As you’ll hear, Juanita had never considered assuming a public office—but when the opportunity presented itself, and she was encouraged to pursue it by fellow community leaders, she jumped at the chance. Since then, she has gone all-in and has thrived in her role as County Commissioner.
If you’re like me, you are probably overwhelmed with the negative, inflammatory news regarding politics and the upcoming election. But Juanita’s campaign and her desire to serve stands in stark contrast to much of our national discourse—she’s driven by a love of place, humility, a sense of duty, genuine curiosity, and a desire to find common ground. I think it’s important to remember that there are committed public servants in every county and city—good people who are driven not by the desire to accumulate power but by a desire to leave their communities better than they found them. Wherever you live, I hope that Juanita’s example will encourage you to engage with your local elected leaders, truly understand the candidates running for local offices, or maybe even run for office yourself. But at the least, I know you’ll enjoy listening to Juanita’s story, which will hopefully make you feel better about the world during these crazy times!
Photos courtesy of Juanita Vero
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:30 – Why and how Juanita decided to enter politics
- 9:30 – Specific experiences that let Juanita know she was ready to be a commissioner
- 13:30 – Importance of talking to her Grandfather
- 19:15 – What exactly is a county commissioner?
- 22:15 – Example of how commissioners can influence development
- 25:30 – Why she’s running for office
- 28:30 – Commissioners as true public servants
- 32:30 – COVID’s impact on Missoula County
- 34:30 – Positive effects of the “new normal” of COVID
- 36:00 – Transition from working on the land to an office job
- 39:20 – Advice for citizens who want to work productively with local government
- 42:30 – Greatest challenges and opportunities in Missoula County
- 46:15 – Smaller issues worth considering
- 48:00 – Climate change & Missoula County solutions
- 52:00 – Importance of community leadership
- 53:30 – Favorite books
- 57:15 – Favorite films
- 58:30 – Funny and surprising activities
- 59:30 – Parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Juanita Vero for Missoula County Commissioner
- Juanita Vero episodes – Part 1 and Live in Bozeman
- Missoula County
- Missoula County Commissioners
- Jim Howell episodes 1 and 2
- Will Laverack
- The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell
- The Heart of Everything That Is by Bob Drury
- One Sentence Journal by Chris La Tray
- Chris La Tray episode
- Woman: An Intimate Geography by Natalie Angier
- Public Trust documentary
- Hal Herring episode
- Victor Frankl
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- Gabe Vasquez – Advocate for Equity in the Outdoors
- Daniela Ibarra-Howell – Healing the Land Holistically
- James Decker – Inspired Leadership in the New West
- Becca Aceto – Forging Her Own Path in the West
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
- Mary Rondepierre – Melding Work, Play, and Purpose
- Jessica Lewis – Doing More With Less
Jessica Wahl Turner – Outdoor Recreation & Rural Economies
Jessica Wahl Turner is the Executive Director of the Outdoor Recreation Roundtable (ORR), America’s leading coalition of outdoor recreation trade associations and organizations. Currently, ORR is comprised of 31 national association members that serve more than 100,000 outdoor-related businesses, which is an amazing feat considering that the organization is less than three years old. Jessica and her team bring together all sectors of the outdoor economy to harness the industry’s collective power and advance issues related to conservation, outdoor access, public lands infrastructure, and much more. Whether she’s in the halls of Congress or the wide-open spaces of the American West, Jessica is a devoted, effective advocate for the outdoor industry.
This conversation is part of the Montana Governor’s Office of Outdoor Recreation’s “Business of Outdoor Recreation Summit“—a gathering of some of the most notable names in the outdoor recreation sector. Because of COVID, this year’s summit has gone virtual, but the need for collaboration and idea-sharing among industry experts has never been greater. The Outdoor Recreation Roundtable is a case study in focusing on common goals, putting aside petty differences, and overcoming challenges with new and innovative approaches. So I was thrilled to get a chance to learn exactly how Jessica has gone about leading her organization during these changing times.
Jessica and I connected on Zoom and had a fun, educational, and wide-ranging conversation about all aspects of the outdoor economy. We started by chatting about the history of ORR and precisely what the organization does. We also discussed the Great American Outdoors Act and how this landmark legislation will positively affect the outdoor industry. We talked about COVID’s effect on the outdoor economy and how ORR is working to support outdoor businesses during these unprecedented times. We also talked about how the outdoor economy contributes to rural and urban areas and how all aspects of the outdoor economy are interconnected. We also spend some time talking about Jessica’s educational and professional backgrounds, and what makes her so uniquely qualified for her current role. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, favorite outdoor adventures, and she offers some wise parting words.
This was a wonderful conversation, and I hope you enjoy. Be sure to check out the “Business of Outdoor Recreation Summit” webpage, as there are many resources, films, and other podcasts that you will find enjoyable and educational. Links to everything are in the episode notes.
Photos courtesy of Jessica Wahl Turner
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 3:30 – Outdoor Recreation Roundtable explained
- 8:00 – Focusing on the commonalities in the outdoor industry
- 12:00 – Impact of the Great American Outdoors Act
- 17:30 – How the upcoming election could affect the recreation economy
- 22:00 – The national interconnectedness of the outdoor economy
- 26:45 – How COVID has affected the outdoor recreation economy
- 32:00 – Balancing conservation and increased outdoor activities
- 36:30 – Future goals and measures of success for the roundtable
- 40:30 – Jessica’s education and early career
- 44:15 – Lessoned learned from the Outdoor Industry Association
- 48:45 – Advice to aspiring industry advocates/lobbyists
- 53:15 – Heroes and mentors
- 58:00 – Favorite books
- 1:01:30 – Favorite place in the outdoors
- 1:03:00 – Jessica’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- Montana Governor’s Office of Outdoor Recreation
- Business of Outdoor Recreation Summit
- Jessica Wahl Turner on LinkedIn
- Outdoor Recreation Roundtable (ORR)
- Outdoor Industry Association (OIA)
- Patagonia
- Harley Davidson
- Great American Outdoors Act
- Land and Water Conservation Fund
- Leave No Trace
- US Department of Interior (DOI)
- US Forest Service (USFS)
- Ken Salazar
- Sally Jewell
- Anne Krcik
- The North Face
- Camber Outdoors
- New York Times
- Young Men and Fire by Norman Maclean
- Bowling Alone by Robert B Putnam
- Tribe by Sebastian Junger
- Adirondacks Park
- Adirondack 46er
- Colorado’s 14ers
- Dare to Prepare by Ronald Shapiro
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- Rachel VandeVoort – Harnessing the Power of Outdoor Recreation
- Gabe Vasquez – Advocate for Equity in the Outdoors
- Hal Herring – A Man of Words & Wild Places
- Chris Burkard – The Art of Suffering
- Heather Hansman – Demystifying Water in the West
- Sara Dant – A Deep Dive Into the History of the West