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Equitable Access to the Outdoors in Texas

This is the first of two live episodes that were recorded at the Texas Chapter of The Wildlife Societyโ€™s 2023 annual meeting in Houston, Texas. The topic of this panel discussion was Equitable Access to the Outdoors, a subject that is timely and important in all areas of the West, but especially important in Texas, where 93% of the stateโ€™s land is privately owned. Whether your interest is outdoor recreation, public health, climate change, or public-private conservation partnerships, the ability for people to have access to parks, trails, open spaces, and wild places is becoming more and more important with each passing year.

For this conversation, I was joined on stage by five Texas conservation innovatorsโ€“ folks who are working hard to ensure that Texans of all stripes have ample opportunities to spend time outsideโ€“ whether in the cities or in the stateโ€™s more rural areas. In order of their appearance in this conversation, we had Jaime Gonzรกlez, Healthy Communities Director for the Nature Conservancy; Sarah Coles, Executive Director of the Texas Children in Nature Network; Immanuel Salas, Texas Parks and Wildlifeโ€™s R3 Coordinator for Hunting and Shooting Sports; Neal Wilkins, President and CEO of the East Foundation; and Joseph Fitzsimons, conservationist and owner of the San Pedro Ranch. You can check out the episode notes below for more information on each of the panelists and links to their respective bios and organizations.

I couldโ€™ve spent hours talking to each of the panelists individually, but as a group, we had a very informative and educational conversationโ€“ one that provided a different perspective from some of my past episodes that focused on equitable access. we covered a lot in this hour-long discussion, including: the importance of building thriving cities with ample parks, trails, and outdoor space; how these organizations are working to reverse some of the disheartening trends around childrenโ€™s health and their access to the outdoors; the importance of collaborative partnerships, the R3 program in Texasโ€“ what it is, why itโ€™s important, and how it is evolving; the role of private landowners in providing access opportunities; the importance of youth education; the role of government; public land in Texas; the need to engage with elected officials; favorite books; and much more.

I learned a lot from this conversation and was honored to share a stage with such an impressive group of people who are working so hard on this all-important issue. Click the link in your podcast player to access all of the notes and links from this episodeโ€“ weโ€™ve listed tons of excellent resources from this episode.

Thanks to John Kinsey and the Texas Chapter of The Wildlife Society for inviting me to host this event, and thank you for listening. Hope you enjoy!

Photos courtesy of The Texas Chapter of The Wildlife Society

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  • 3:04 – An introduction, and then Jaime discusses his work with TNC in Houston
  • 9:25 – The quantitative way that Jaime and TNC evaluate success in connecting youth with the outdoors
  • 11:25 – Sarah introduces Texas Children in Nature Network
  • 15:55 – Sarah explains TCINNโ€™s partnership model
  • 19:10 – Immanuel discusses the R3 program and its importance
  • 26:40 – Neil introduces the East Foundation
  • 30:55 – How the East Foundationโ€™s educational programs have shifted over time
  • 32:10 – How Joe became involved in public lands conservation work through the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission
  • 38:55 – The panelists’ experience in dealing with politics and elected officials
  • 46:40 – The panelists discuss the importance of storytelling
  • 58:40 – Panelistsโ€™ suggestions for books, podcasts, resources to access, etc

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Taylor Hawes – Innovative Conservation in the Colorado River Basin
Taylor Hawes
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Taylor Hawes is the Director of the Colorado River Program for the Nature Conservancy. As the leader of the program, she guides TNCโ€™s efforts to conserve the freshwater biodiversity of the Colorado River Basin while also meeting human demands for waterโ€“ challenging objectives given the wide-ranging stresses facing the river today. But despite the challenges brought about by climate change, overallocation, and increasing demand, Taylor and her team are making great strides toward finding long-term solutions to create a sustainable future for the Colorado River and the people, plants, and animals that depend on it.

Taylor grew up on the east coast, and, from a young age, she felt a deep connection to land, water, and natural resources. She fell in love with wide-open spaces while on a course with the National Outdoor Leadership School, and sheโ€™s devoted her career to protecting land and water in the West. Prior to joining the team at TNC, she served as Associate Counsel to the Colorado River Water Conservation District on Coloradoโ€™s Western Slope, working on water quality, water policy, environmental permitting, and water rights litigation.

If you pay attention to the news, then youโ€™ll know that the Colorado River has been receiving tons of media attention for the dire conditions and projections facing the entire region. Reservoirs are at historic lows, temperatures are rising, and the need for more water is increasing. In the first part of this conversation, I ask Taylor to decipher many of the surface-level sound bytes that Iโ€™ve heard in the news, and she provides some much-needed context and background regarding the river basinโ€™s current challenges. We then talk about how TNC is working to solve these problems, by building community support, working collaboratively with Tribal nations, and helping agricultural producers become more efficient. And we spend the last part of the conversation talking about Taylorโ€™s professional journeyโ€“ why she chooses to do this work, what gives her hope, and her goals for her work on the Colorado River.

This was a timely conversation, and I hope it sheds some light on the challenges facing the Colorado River todayโ€“ and provides some optimism about the riverโ€™s future. Thanks to Taylor for taking the time to chat, and thank you for listening.

Photos courtesy of Taylor Hawes and The Nature Conservancy

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On the fourth Tuesday of every month throughout 2023, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West. You can access all of the 2023 episodes here.

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Topics Discussed:

  • 3:15 – An overview of the situation regarding Colorado River water
  • 8:00 – Discussing the โ€œbandaidโ€ solutions for the overallocated Colorado River implemented over the years
  • 10:45 – Who is making the water allocation decisions for the Colorado River
  • 12:00 – The breakdown of water use in the West
  • 16:45 – Why has this situation has become an emergency right now, meriting the involvement of the federal government
  • 19:30 – The timeline of Colorado river use reduction mandates
  • 21:30 – The potential impacts of shrinking Colorado River on the Grand Canyon
  • 23:00 – What will happen if the Colorado River Basin states do not agree on a plan to reduce water use in accordance with federal mandates
  • 24:45 – How Taylor focuses on solutions regarding such a complex, difficult-to-model problem
  • 28:30 – Some strategies TNC is employing to support and work with producers in reducing their water use 
  • 35:00 – Discussing the difficulties and importance of relationship building in this work
  • 40:15 – TNCโ€™s work supporting Tribal water challenges
  • 44:45 – What drives Taylorโ€™s work and what are her goals
  • 47:00 – How Taylor ended up doing this work
  • 53:45 – How law school helped Taylor
  • 55:45 – What keeps Taylor energized about her work and TNC
  • 58:15 – How anybody can get involved in this work
  • 1:02:00 – Taylorโ€™s book recommendations

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 Posted on March 28, 2023 by

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Beau Alexander – Paying Homage to the Past, While Focusing on the Future
Beau Alexander

Beau Alexander is the owner and operator of Maxwell Alexander Gallery, a world-renowned art gallery that curates and celebrates โ€œa new breed of fine artโ€ here in the American West and beyond. Beau and his brother, the famed western artist Logan Maxwell Hagege, officially opened the gallery back in 2012, and their goals were simple: Represent one-of-a-kind artists, put the artistsโ€™ interests first, and serve as a trusted resource for a wide range of collectors around the globe. After many years of scrappy hard work and outside-the-box thinking, Maxwell Alexander Gallery has become a cornerstone of the Western art world.

Beau was born and raised in Los Angles and from an early age, he showed a talent for entrepreneurship and marketing. He and his brother Logan started a number of businesses together, combining their proclivity for creativity with the tireless work ethic they learned from their immigrant father. As Loganโ€™s art career exploded, they both saw an opportunity to create an art gallery that takes care of its artists and clientsโ€“ one that plays the long game and is deeply invested in the people behind the artโ€ฆ not solely focused on making a sale. So, in 2012 they opened Maxwell Alexander Gallery and have steadily risen to the top of the western contemporary art world. And just a few weeks ago, Beau was awarded the Autry Museumโ€™s John J. Geraghty Award, which recognizes an individual for his or her Advancement of Contemporary Western art.

Beau and I met last fall in L.A. at Maxwell Alexander Galleryโ€™s 10 Year Anniversary Exhibition, so I was thrilled to have him join me for a more in-depth conversation about his journey in western art. We started out by discussing his upbringing in LA and how entrepreneurship has always been a part of his life. We discuss some of the good and bad aspects of the old-school art gallery world that sparked the idea to start Maxwell Alexander Gallery. We discussed the early days of the business, and how he had to grind and be extremely creative in order to gain a foothold in the art world. We also discuss his irreverent, often times hilarious, approach to using social media as a marketing tool and the importance of introducing new collectors to western art. We discuss art valuation, the importance of treating people fairly, his other artistic influences, and his brother Loganโ€™s evolution as an artist.

We talk a lot about Logan and the 10 Year Anniversary exhibitionโ€“ you can listen to those podcasts by following these links: Logan Maxwell Hagege and Live from Maxwell Alexander Gallery. But for now, I hope you enjoy this inspiring conversation with Beau Alexander.

Photos courtesy of Beau Alexander

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  • 3:45 โ€“ Setting the scene in Beauโ€™s year leading up to starting the Maxwell Alexander Gallery
  • 10:00 โ€“ Discussing Beauโ€™s time studying business, before which he had actually started his own business
  • 14:00 โ€“ How Beau prioritizes relationships in his business
  • 17:30 โ€“ Beauโ€™s process of evaluating artwork
  • 21:30 โ€“ How the Maxwell Alexander Gallery is different from other art galleries
  • 24:00 โ€“ When Beau figured out that the Maxwell Alexander Gallery was a unique idea to run with in the art world, and the early process of establishing the gallery
  • 29:45 โ€“ Discussing Beauโ€™s unconventional ways of advertising the gallery
  • 31:15 โ€“ How long it took for the established art community to recognize and embrace the Maxwell Alexander Gallery model
  • 36:45 โ€“ Discussing the 10 Year Anniversary of the gallery
  • 39:30 โ€“ Talking about the finances and value of art
  • 49:30 โ€“ Advice for young art collectors
  • 52:30 โ€“ Beauโ€™s favorite art
  • 59:30 โ€“ Beauโ€™s other influences outside of painting and sculpture, as well as the impact Logan Maxwell has had on the art world

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Chandra Brown, Part 2 – Teaching & Learning in the West’s Wildest Landscapes
Chandra Brown

I first met Chandra Brown through the podcast more than four years ago, and with each passing year, Iโ€™ve been more and more inspired by her life and work. You may remember that sheโ€™s the founder of Freeflow Institute, a Montana-based organization that curates immersive outdoor learning experiences in Earthโ€™s wildest classrooms. What started with combining summer river trips with writing workshops taught by some of the Westโ€™s greatest authors has turned into a year-round, immersive curriculum that incorporates many forms of art and storytelling.

If youโ€™ve listened to a lot of Mountain & Prairie episodes, then you will recognize many past and present Freeflow Instructorsโ€“ Hal Herring, Bill deBuys, Chris La Tray, Heather Hansman, Anna Brones, Brendan Leonard, Alexis Bonogofsky, and Elliott Woods. And youโ€™ll also recognize the Freeflow classrooms, which include the Salmon River, Green River, Big Blackfoot River, San Juan Islands, and the canyon country of Southwest Colorado. The overlap between what Chandra has built at Freeflow and what weโ€™re all doing here in Mountain & Prairie is significant, so I was excited to have Chandra join me for another conversation.

If you want to hear more about Chandraโ€™s upbringing in Alaska and her fascinating life trajectory, Iโ€™d encourage you to go back and listen to our first episode. But also feel free to dive right into this conversation, as we had a wonderful chat about everything from cold water plunges to Freeflowโ€™s growth and evolution to the challenges of running a small business during the pandemic years. We discuss some of the upcoming courses for this calendar year, Freeflowโ€™s scholarship program, the importance of pursuing oneโ€™s own creative endeavors, and how Chandra and grown as a person over the past four years.

Iโ€™d also be crazy not to mention that Iโ€™m leading a Freeflow course late this summer, down the Green River in Utah, through Gates of Ladore and Dinosaur National Monument. Weโ€™ll be focused on the power of optimistic storytelling, and how storytelling can be used to effect change here in the West and beyond. You can check out the link in the episode notes to learn more, but my course is limited to 12 people and itโ€™s already filling up. But even if youโ€™re not interested in spending a week with me, Iโ€™d encourage you to check out all the courses and the scholarship opportunities. I wish I could go on all the courses!

Thanks for listening. Hope you enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Chandra Brown

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Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – Chandraโ€™s most recent trip with Anna Brones
  • 6:15 – How cold water became a part of Chandraโ€™s life and practice
  • 9:44 – An overview of Freeflow Institute and how it came to be
  • 12:00 – How Freeflow has evolved
  • 14:45 – Whether Freeflowโ€™s evolution was more due to Chandraโ€™s planning or her flexibility
  • 16:30 – Chandraโ€™s advice for someone thinking of quitting their steady job to build something new
  • 19:45 – The business owners and creatives Chandra admires
  • 22:45 – How the Freeflow Foundation came to be
  • 25:15 – Some available scholarships through the Freeflow Foundation
  • 27:45 – Running through some of the currently available Freeflow courses, with a brief tangent into dishwashing habits
  • 30:45 – What makes a Freeflow Institute course successful for participants
  • 34:00 – Success stories from past courses
  • 41:30 – How Freeflow has changed Chandra
  • 46:45 – Freeflowโ€™s podcast and creative services
  • 50:00 – Chandraโ€™s book recommendations

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Cate Havstad-Casad, Part 2 – Building Businesses for the Greater Good
Cate Havstad-Casad and her family

If youโ€™ve listened to Mountain & Prairie since the early days, then Iโ€™m sure you remember Cate Havstad-Casad. She first joined me on the podcast in early 2018 for a conversation about her life and career as a hatmaker and farmer. In late 2019, she was one of the four amazing women who joined me on stage for a live podcast at the Bozemanโ€™s Ellen Theatre. And today more than 5 years after that first conversation, she joins me once again to talk about her continued personal and professional evolution.

Over the past few years, Cate has been working at a dizzying pace, focusing on creating and building several purpose-driven businesses. Sheโ€™s the founder and CEO of Range Revolution, the worldโ€™s first regenerative leather luggage company, as well as the co-founder of Agricultural Connections Co-Op, a regional food distribution business based in Bend, Oregon. Additionally, she and her husband Chris have continued to grow their organic farming business, and her hatmaking business, Havstad Hat Co., continues to grow and evolve in unexpected ways. And to top it all off, in 2021, Cate and Chris welcomed their first child into the world.

So, we had a lot to discuss! We started by talking about how Cate thinks about her work today versus five years ago, and why she feels it is important to continue to take business risks even after taking on the new responsibilities that come with parenthood. We talk a lot about Range Revolution and the Agricultural Connections Co-op, and Cate shares a ton of lessons learned from the process of founding these vastly different businesses. We discuss leadership and management, and Cate offers up some excellent books and resources that have helped her to become a better leader. We talk about fundraising, the importance of self-awareness, thinking versus doing, mentors, Wendell Berry, and our mutual love of hard work.

Cate obviously has a full schedule, so I appreciate her carving out time to chat with me. Check out the episode notes for links to her businesses and all of the resources we discuss. Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy.

Photos courtesy of Cate Havstad-Casad

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  • 4:00 – Comparing 2017 Cate Havstad to Cate Havstad now
  • 8:00 – Talking about starting businesses and incurring risk later in oneโ€™s career
  • 11:15 – Discussing Range Revolutionย 
  • 15:00 – Where the business of Range Revolution stands
  • 18:00 – Cateโ€™s work ethic and how she got potential business partners to take her seriouslyย 
  • 20:45 – Cateโ€™s relationships with hard work and rest
  • 23:45 – How Cate learned to build and manage teams in her work
  • 27:15 – Cateโ€™s business book recommendations
  • 30:30 – Cateโ€™s red flags in a teammateย 
  • 32:00 – Discussing Agricultural Connections Co-op
  • 34:30 – Defining a โ€œcooperative entityโ€ or โ€œco-opโ€
  • 36:15 – How Cate raised the money to start her co-op
  • 38:00 – Why Cate is so good at fundraising and how she networks to that end
  • 43:30 – Mistakes Cate made that taught valuable lessons
  • 49:15 – Where Cate finds balance between action and reflective self-awareness
  • 51:15 – Cateโ€™s mentors
  • 53:45 – Cateโ€™s suggestions for Wendell Berry reads
  • 58:00 – Other book and podcast recommendations from Cate

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Dr. Katharine Hayhoe – Effecting Change Through Authentic Conversation
Katharine Hayhoe
[Photo Credit: Ashley Rodgers]

Dr. Katharine Hayhoe is a world-renowned climate scientist, professor, and Chief Scientist for The Nature Conservancy, where she leads and coordinates the organization’s scientific efforts. She is also the author of Saving Us: A Climate Scientist’s Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World, an excellent book you’ve likely heard me reference on the podcast. Whether you are interested in learning more about the facts, data, or projections regarding climate change, or if you are seeking guidance on how best to approach challenging conversations about climate, I highly recommend Saving Us. It’s an optimistic, solutions-oriented guidebook for finding common ground and having productive conversations.

Katharine was born and raised in Canada and has been obsessed with science, the natural world, and the universe for as long as she can remember. Her undergraduate studies focused on physics and astronomy, but as she was finishing up her degree, she happened to take a climate science course, which captured her imagination and changed the focus of her education and career. Today, Katharine is a distinguished professor at Texas Tech, a highly respected researcher, and a sought-after speaker with a TED Talk that’s been viewed more than 4 million times. And to top it all off, in 2021, she joined The Nature Conservancy as its Chief Scientist.

Katharine and I met up in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, where she was the keynote speaker at a community event focused on climate and climate change in the Yampa Valley and beyond. Katharine and I chatted for an hour before her event, and we managed to cover a lot of ground. We discussed her book Saving Us, her TED talk, and a concept known as “The Six Americas of Global Warming.” We discuss how and why her Christian faith plays such an important role in her work to solve climate change, and she offers some common-sense, optimistic approaches to having challenging conversations with smart people who do not think that climate change is a threat. She also talks about her role at The Nature Conservancy, specific climate opportunities and challenges facing the American West, and she offers a ton of excellent book recommendations.

Thank you to Dr. Hayhoe for taking the time out of her busy schedule to chat with me, and thank you for listening. Hope you enjoy.

Header photo and headshot by Ashley Rodgers

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  • 3:30 – Why Dr. Hayhoe wrote Saving Us
  • 5:45 – Regarding Dr. Hayhoeโ€™s TED Talk
  • 8:15 – Discussing The Six Americas of Global Warming
  • 12:00 – The relationship between Dr. Hayhoeโ€™s faith and climate work
  • 17:45 – When religion and climate change dismissal historically became tied together
  • 21:30 – Discussing the balance between fear and guilt as motivating and stagnating forces
  • 28:00 – What surprised Dr. Hayhoe in writing the book
  • 33:45 – Role-playing how to interact with intelligent people who doubt climate science
  • 37:30 – Applying lessons learned from COVID-19 to climate change
  • 41:30 – Dr. Hayhoeโ€™s time as a 9-year-old abroad in Columbia and how it influenced her thinking and career
  • 46:15 – Why Dr. Hayhoe decided to work with The Nature Conservancy, and the impacts she hopes to make
  • 50:15 – The stats Dr. Hayhoe would want to see to feel she has had an impact in five years
  • 54:45 – The challenges and opportunities facing the arid West amidst climate change
  • 57:00 – Dr. Hayhoeโ€™s reading habits and some books she has loved

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Megan Torgerson – Storytelling from Rural America
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Megan Torgerson is a podcaster and the creator of Reframing Rural, a narrative podcast whose mission is to โ€œshare stories of people and places in rural America in an effort to celebrate culture, preserve history and cultivate curiosity and conversation across geographic, class and cultural divides.โ€ In just three seasons, Megan has grown Reframing Rural from a spark of an idea into a highly regarded podcast, one that has been recognized by institutions such as the Headwaters Foundation, Montana Farmers Union, Humanities Montana, and more. Personally, I have learned a ton from Meganโ€™s work, so it was an honor to have her join me on the podcast.

Megan was born and raised on the Great Plains of eastern Montana, primarily in the small town of Dagmar. She attended the University of Montana in Missoula and eventually made her way to graduate school in Seattle, where she earned her MFA.  As youโ€™ll hear in this conversation, during her time in grad school, Megan began exploring the idea of a podcast that focused on rural America. Rather than getting bogged down in endless planning and idea generation, she took action, produced Season 1, and put it out into the world in spring 2020. Fast forward to today, and Megan has a team that works with her, she continues to receive wide-ranging recognition, and the show is being broadcast on several Montana radio stations.

Iโ€™ve known Megan for a year or so, but this was the first time I had a chance to ask her detailed questions about her journey as a storyteller. We started out talking about her upbringing in Dagmar, as well as her educational background and early career. We discuss why she decided to create a narrative podcast, and she explains the very involved process of creating a single episode. We discuss some of the issues that she explores in Reframing Rural, including rural gentrification, which was the topic of one of her most recent episodes. We discuss her generosity in the podcast space, whether or not she considers herself a journalist, why she is optimistic about the future of rural America, some advice for aspiring podcasters, and she has lots of amazing book recommendations.

If you havenโ€™t already, Iโ€™d encourage you to subscribe to Reframing Rural on your favorite podcast app. Megan is committed and sheโ€™s a pro, and I know that Mountain & Prairie listeners will appreciate the amazing work sheโ€™s putting into the world. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Megan Torgerson and Reframing Rural

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  • 5:30 – Meganโ€™s childhood
  • 12:30 – What Megan hoped to do once she went to college in Missoula
  • 15:00 – How Meganโ€™s passions inspired hard work
  • 17:15 – Why Megan started Reframing Rural
  • 22:00 – Why Megan produces a narrative style podcast
  • 26:00 – When did Megan plan for podcasting to become a job
  • 28:30 – Meganโ€™s experience with why podcasts generate such compelling stories and interviews
  • 31:30 – Whether podcasting is a journalistic or creative endeavor for Megan, and whether she is concerned or not with โ€œtaking sidesโ€
  • 35:30 – An example of Meganโ€™s podcast topics
  • 39:30 – If Megan worries about negative feedback to her show, and how she handles it
  • 44:30 – Where Meganโ€™s generosity comes from
  • 47:30 – What Megan is optimistic about regarding rural America
  • 51:30 – How Megan measures success as a storyteller
  • 53:30 – Other storytellers that Megan admires
  • 55:15 – How to start a podcast, according to Megan
  • 57:30 – How long the Dover episode took Megan to makeย 
  • 59:15 – Meganโ€™s accolades
  • 1:02:30 – Meganโ€™s book recommendations
  • 1:06:15 – Meganโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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 Posted on February 20, 2023 by

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Bryce Andrews, Part 2 – “Holding Fire”

Bryce Andrews is a Montana-based rancher and writer, and he’s the author of the brand new book Holding Fire: A Reckoning with the American West. Longtime Mountain & Prairie listeners will remember my first conversation with Bryce back in 2019 when we discussed his writing, conservation work, ranching experience, and his first two books. I thoroughly enjoyed that first conversation and was so impressed with Bryceโ€™s thoughtfulness, curiosity, and humility, so I was thrilled to have him back on the podcast to discuss Holding Fire.

Holding Fire is a thought-provoking memoir that explores Bryceโ€™s complicated and evolving relationship with the landscape, culture, and history of the American West. Much of the story focuses on his grandfatherโ€™s Smith and Wesson revolverโ€“ a gun that he inherited and owned for many years while living and working in Montana. But despite being a committed big game hunter and owner of many guns, Bryceโ€™s feelings toward the revolver began to change. As youโ€™ll hear him explain, he eventually befriends a master blacksmith, learns to forge steel, and transforms the revolver from a gun into a tool that he now uses to plant trees on his property.

I loved the book, and it forced me to reexamine many of my baked-in notions about everything from the history of the West to my ideas about hunting for food, mental health, and the culture of the modern-day American West. We talked about why Bryce chose this particular topic for the subject of a book, his long-standing love of hunting, and why he decided to repurpose the revolver into a ranch tool. We discuss what he learned about craftsmanship from the blacksmith, the importance of converting guilt into action, and how fatherhood has changed his approach to life and work. We also talk about this summerโ€™s Old Salt Festival, he and his wifeโ€™s stewardship of their ranch, and he offers up lots of excellent book recommendations.

And if you want to read and discuss a chapter of Bryceโ€™s book for free, then download the new social reading app called Threadable. I have recently partnered with Threadable to highlight and discuss a number of readings about the history of the American West, including chapters from Sara Dantโ€™s Losing Eden, and Roxanne Dunbar-Ortizโ€™s An Indigenous Peoplesโ€™ History of the United States. Threadable allows users to read portions of great books, then discuss them in a fun and interactive way. As of this recording, Threadable is only for iOS, but if you want to read a sample of Holding Fire and discuss it with the Mountain & Prairie community, follow this link to download the app (on your mobile device). Iโ€™ve really been enjoying it.

Thanks to Bryce for another wonderful conversation, and thank you for listening. Hope you enjoy.

Photos courtesy of Bryce Andrews

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  • 3:00 – Bryceโ€™s process for choosing the topic of Holding Fire
  • 6:15 – Bryceโ€™s fatherโ€™s choices of nonviolence during the Vietnam War 
  • 11:30 – How guns became a part of Bryceโ€™s life
  • 13:45 – Bryceโ€™s background in hunting 
  • 18:45 – Bryceโ€™s scariest interaction with people and guns
  • 21:45 – The problem with โ€œtough guys with gunsโ€
  • 24:00 – A winterโ€™s impact on Bryceโ€™s thoughts regarding guns 
  • 29:45 – Exploring the concept of guilt
  • 30:30 – Exploring the cultural significance of fire and firearms with women of the Salish and Kootenai Tribes
  • 34:30 – What Bryce has done on his property since purchase
  • 38:00 – How writing fits into Bryceโ€™s busy life
  • 44:45 – How having a daughter has changed Bryceโ€™s work, writing, and life
  • 48:30 – How Bryce became involved in the Old Salt Festival
  • 51:30 – What Bryce learned about creativity from a metalsmith
  • 54:30 – Discussing action as the antidote to despair
  • 55:45 – Bryceโ€™s book recommendations

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Cole Mannix – Building Community through Land Stewardship and Local Food
Cole Mannix

Cole Mannix is the President and Founder of the Old Salt Co-op, a new, purpose-driven company that โ€œprovides meat raised with integrity from Montana landscapes its customers know and care about.โ€ Cole and his team partner with a growing number of Montana ranches, butchers, chefs, and businesses to connect customers and producers, while simultaneously encouraging and promoting a deeper understanding of land stewardship, community, and the interconnectedness of Montana landscapes.

Cole was born and raised in Montana, and he is a member of the fifth generation of the Mannix Family who has been stewarding their family ranch in Montanaโ€™s Blackfoot Valley since the late 1800s. Cole has followed a fascinating educational and career path, mixing his degrees in biology, philosophy, and theology with wide-ranging work in both entrepreneurial ventures and non-profit conservation work. And as youโ€™ll hear in this conversation, the common thread that connects all of Coleโ€™s experiences is a deep love and respect for the land and all that it can provide.

One of the most exciting projects that Cole is currently working on is the Old Salt Festival, a three-day festival taking place this June on the Mannix Ranch, just outside of Helmville, Montana. Itโ€™s much more than a music festivalโ€“ itโ€™s a celebration of land and land stewardship, and it will feature an eclectic mix of artists, authors, poets, storytellers, chefs and more. Iโ€™ll be at the event hosting some live podcast conversations, and there will be appearances by a number of past M&P guests, including singer-songwriter Riddy Arman, author-poet Chris Dombrowski, author-rancher Bryce Andrews, and more. Novelist David James Duncan will be reading, and chef Eduardo Garcia will be cooking. So we spend a lot of time discussing this event, its purpose, and how the whole idea came together.

This is a wonderful conversation about following your interests, working hard, and doing purpose-driven work that is connected to land and community. Check out the episode notes for a full list of all the topics we discussed, as well as links to the Co-op and this summerโ€™s Festival. Thanks so much to Cole for joining me, and thanks to you for listening.

Photos courtesy of Cole Mannix and the Old Salt Co-op

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  • 3:45 –  Cole explains the Mannix family tree
  • 5:45 – Cole discusses his family history  
  • 7:45 – Overview of the Old Salt Co-op 
  • 13:00 –  Cole explains what motivated him to begin the Old Salt Co-op, and describes what it was like to leave a steady job to start something uncertain
  • 17:45 – The value proposition that sets Old Salt Co-op apart
  • 20:45 – The biggest obstacle/most important factor is for the business model of Old Salt Co-op 
  • 27:00 – The biggest surprises in the building of Old Salt Co-op
  • 31:00 – How he stays focused and keeps track of real progress
  • 33:45- The Old Salt Festival in more detail, including the musical, culinary, and land stewardship talent that will be featured
  • 40:30 – Cole dives more into his career and backstory, including his interest and study in philosophy
  • 45:45 – His career shift from teaching to entrepreneurship 
  • 53:45 – Lessons he learned from past business difficulties and how they inform his current enterprises
  • 57:00 – Cole discusses what he does when he isnโ€™t working
  • 58:00 – Book recommendations
  • 1:01:00 – Parting words of wisdom

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Carlos Fernรกndez, Part 2 – Creating Conservation Opportunities During Uncertain Times
Carlos Fernรกndez

Carlos Fernandez is the Colorado State Director of The Nature Conservancy, one of the most effective conservation organizations in the American West and around the globe. You probably remember Carlos from our first conversation back in August of 2020, in which we discussed his inspiring career trajectory, the importance of collaborative conservation partnerships, and several of TNCโ€™s cutting-edge initiatives throughout the West.

When we recorded that first episode, we were in the very early stages of the pandemicโ€“ a time marked by unprecedented uncertainty in almost every aspect of life. When we recorded todayโ€™s episodeโ€“ nearly two-and-a-half years after that first conversationโ€“ the worst of the pandemic is now behind us. Carlos was able to look back on that trying period with some perspective, discussing the many challenges and opportunities that arose from such a difficult few years. This conversation is a case study of how critical work can be produced during challenging times, and how optimism, focus, and old-fashioned teamwork can lead to lasting outcomes.

Carlos and I met up at his office in Boulder and had an in-depth conversation about TNCโ€™s conservation initiatives and collaborations over the past few years. I asked Carlos about his leadership strategies and tactics during the most intense days of the pandemic and what he and TNC  learned from those challenges. We talk about Carlosโ€™s recent 2022 year-end letter and TNC Coloradoโ€™s 2022 Year In Review, and we dig into several inspiring conservation victories from the past 12 months. We also revisit the Southern High Plains Initiative and the Yampa River Fund, and we discuss TNCโ€™s future plans around climate change and diversity, equity, and inclusion. We also talk about this year-long partnership between TNC and Mountain & Prairie, which we are both very excited about.

A huge thank you to Carlos for taking the time to chat, and a huge thanks to all of you for listening. I hope you enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Carlos Fernรกndez

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On the fourth Tuesday of every month throughout 2023, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West. You can access all of the 2023 episodes here.

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  • 3:00 –  Carlos discusses the evolution of TNC Colorado during COVID
  • 10:00 – Why the eastern plains and grasslands of Colorado are important and such a focus area of TNC Coloradoโ€™s work
  • 12:00 – The power of partnerships in conservation work
  • 14:45 – Why TNC Colorado feels it is important to focus on underserved and underrepresented groups in any work concerning climate change and conservation
  • 19:30 – The importance of storytelling in conservation work
  • 23:00 – How he and TNC prioritizes the focal points of their work, including who he seeks council from
  • 30:45 – What he is excited about for TNC Colorado moving forward
  • 33:30 – How he evaluates difficult choices and newest trends in conservation to ensure action is intentional and not controlled by external trends (not chasing every shiny object)
  • 36:30 – What he thinks TNC Coloradoโ€™s role is in the stateโ€™s overall conservation sector, returning again to the importance of partnership and collaboration in this field 
  • 44:00 – The Yampa River Fund and updates us on its progress
  • 49:45 – TNCโ€™s relationships with businesses 
  • 53:00 – Advice for folks looking to work in conservation
  • 56:00 – Carlos and Ed talk about the upcoming podcast series that Mountain & Prairie will be conducting with TNC Colorado
  • 59:45 – Book recommendations
  • 1:01:45 – Parting words of wisdom

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Christian Beamish – West Coast Craftsman
Christian Beamish

Christian Beamish is a writer, craftsman, surfboard shaper, and all-around adventurer who lives and works between Ventura and Carpinteria, California. Heโ€™s the author of one of my favorite booksโ€“ The Voyage of the Cormorantโ€“ which tells his deeply personal story of building an open-hulled boat by hand and then sailing it down the Baja Peninsula alone, surfing and camping along the way. Heโ€™s also the owner of Surfboards California, where he hand-shapes a wide variety of custom boards for surfers of all skill levels.

Christian grew up in California, and for as long as he can remember, heโ€™s been connected to the ocean and committed to building things. Heโ€™s lived an adventurous life that included a stint in the military, surf trips to the far reaches of the globe, and sailing trips up and down the Pacific Coast. And in addition to his work shaping surfboards and writing, heโ€™s also a committed husband, father, and community member. I greatly admire how Christian manages to balance all of these sometimes-competing roles, and I gained a lot of valuable perspective from this conversation.

I met up with Christian in Carpinteria, just a few blocks from the Pacific Ocean, in a building that is home to several surfboard shapers and various creative folks. Iโ€™ve admired Christianโ€™s writing for over a decade, so it was a dream come true to have the opportunity to spend the morning with him. We covered a ton in this hour-long conversationโ€“ his lifelong connection to the ocean and craftsmanship, lessons learned from the military, how he developed his skill for writing, his amazing book The Voyage of the Cormorant, fatherhood, dealing with intense emotions, the craft of shaping surfboards, favorite books and authors, and much more. You can check out the episode notes for a list of all the topics we discussed and links to everything.

A huge thanks to Christian for welcoming me into his shop, and thanks to all of you for listening. Hope you enjoy.

Photos courtesy of Christian Beamish

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  • 4:00 – Christian talks about where he grew up
  • 9:15 – What influenced his desire to build things
  • 10:15 – Christian’s relationship with work
  • 12:30 – His writing practice and talks about when writing came into his life 
  • 16:00 – Christian tangles with how his literary interests and writing reconcile with his service in the US Navy
  • 17:15 – Overview of his book, The Voyage of the Cormorant
  • 24:45 – Christian reflects on the person he was when he started the voyage that inspired his book
  • 27:30 – The inner challenges he experienced during his voyage
  • 31:30 – His strategies for dealing with emotional challenges
  • 33:00 – How having kids has affected his life
  • 38:45 – Christian describes the surfboards he designs
  • 43:00 – His transition from more standard surfing to big wave surfing
  • 50:45 – Christian and Ed briefly discuss skiing
  • 54:30 – Book recommendations, and a discussion of his familyโ€™s history
  • 1:01:00 – Parting words of advice for budding crafters and creators

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Jess Mudgett – Humble & Grateful
Jess Mudgett
(photo credit: Dylan Schmitz)

Jess Mudgett is an artist, skater, surfer, and occasional ranch hand who specializes in one-of-a-kind designs that appear everywhere from murals in the rural West to the Yeti offices in downtown Austin. Fans of Jessโ€™s work can spot his art from a mile awayโ€“ heโ€™s known for bold, often-times big portrayals of western landscapes, horses, birds, people, and more, all presented in a style that is uniquely his own. If youโ€™re not familiar with Jessโ€™s art, Iโ€™d encourage you to visit his Instagram page while listeningโ€“ here’s a link.

Jess was raised in Fort Collins, Colorado, and grew up obsessed with and fully committed to skateboarding. While attending art school in Portland, he dropped out to go on a professionally funded skate trip, which ultimately led to getting his foot in the door with the art department of a skate company.ย  After a few years, Jess returned to school to earn his degree, and his path as a professional artist was set. Currently, Jess is based in Portland, but spends big portions of the year traveling the West in his truck, creating art for a wide variety of well-known companies and individuals.

Jess and I met up at my house in Colorado Springs and had a fun conversation about his life as an artist. We started out discussing his upbringing in Fort Collins and how skating and art became the focus of his life. We discuss his creative process, his partnerships with popular brands, and his relationship with the renowned photographer (and past podcast guest) Chris Burkard. Jess describes his time working on Mark Carterโ€™s Wyoming ranch, his lifestyle of living on the road, how he pushes through self-doubt, his love of tattoos, and some of the artists who have inspired him over the years. And what I loved most about this conversation was Jessโ€™s overall vibe of deep gratitude and true humilityโ€“ I think youโ€™ll be inspired by his approach to life and art.

And as a surprise, Jess created a special Mountain & Prairie design that I know youโ€™ll loveโ€“ I sure do. Iโ€™m going to be offering this design on special edition t-shirts, stickers, and coffee mugs in the Mountain & Prairie shop. Itโ€™s an awesome design, and Iโ€™m honored that Jess took the time to create such a unique piece just for Mountain & Prairie listeners.

Once again, thanks for taking the time to listen. I hope you enjoy this conversation with the great Jess Mudgett.

Header photo by Mark Welsh, photo of Jess by Dylan Schmitz

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  • 4:10 โ€“ Jess discusses growing up andย  the role his parents played in his childhood
  • 6:00 โ€“ Jess talks about how skateboarding became a part of his life and art
  • 7:15 โ€“ Jess discusses the next step in his life after high school: going to art school
  • 13:45 โ€“ Jess and Ed talk about surfing
  • 16:30 โ€“ Jess discusses his life after art school, including how he worked his way into NHS skate company
  • 23:30 โ€“ Jess talks about his current lifestyle, including living out of his truck
  • 26:45 โ€“ Jess discusses his stint working on a ranch at the beginning of COVID, as well as how it changed him
  • 31:15 โ€“ Jess talks about how he manages his creative time
  • 35:30 โ€“ Jess discusses his relationship with Chris Burkard, as well as why he thinks Chris has been so successful
  • 41:45 โ€“ Jess talks about tattoos becoming a part of his life
  • 43:45 โ€“ Jess describes his art as he sees it today
  • 44:30 โ€“ Jess talks about the artists who inspire him
  • 47:15 โ€“ Jess discusses self-criticism in his work
  • 47:45 โ€“ Jess talks about how his relationship with Yeti began
  • 51:00 โ€“ Jess talks about the times in his artistic career where he has felt like quitting
  • 53:45 โ€“ Jessโ€™s advice for your creatives
  • 58:45 โ€“ Jessโ€™s book recommendations
  • 1:00:30 โ€“ Jessโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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BONUS EPISODE: Kate Matheson & The Ranchlands Podcast

If youโ€™re a Mountain & Prairie Patreon supporter, then you probably already know that I recently began hosting another podcast for my friends at Ranchlands. Itโ€™s called the Ranchlands Podcast, and it features conversations with members of the Ranchlands community. As of today, weโ€™re about ten episodes in, and we feel very grateful that the podcast has been well-received and shared widely.

For those of you who have not listened to it, I wanted to share one episode here on Mountain & Prairie. This one features my conversation with Kate Matheson, who is the ranch manager of the Zapata Ranch located in Coloradoโ€™s San Luis Valley. Kate was born and raised in England and enjoyed a successful career in publishing and fashion before picking up and heading to the American West. Itโ€™s a cool story.

This was a fun, inspiring conversation that I know will resonate with Mountain & Prairie listeners. If you want to listen to more of the Ranchlands Podcast, you can subscribe to it using the link in the notes or wherever you get your podcasts. 

And if you want to hang out with Kate and me at the Zapata Ranch this upcoming summer, I encourage you to check out my second annual Strenuous Life Retreat, which takes place in August of 2023. It’s five full days of adventure, learning, conversation, and camaraderie, all in the spirit of Theodore Rooseveltโ€™s commitment to living the Strenuous Life.  

The 2022 retreat was a huge success: We hiked high into the Sangre de Cristo Range, rode horses in Great Sand Dunes National Park and alongside bison and elk on the Medano Ranch. We had discussions about conservation and regenerative agriculture with expert guests, we started each day with strenuous exercise and ended each day with top-notch dinners and a campfire.

The retreat is a one-of-a-kind opportunity to spend five days with a like-minded crew, immersed in one of the Westโ€™s most spectacular landscapes, pushing yourself hard both physically and intellectually.

But without further delay, hereโ€™s episode nine of the Ranchlands Podcast, featuring the amazing Kate Matheson.

Photos courtesy of Ranchlands

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  • 4:20 – Kateโ€™s history with horses
  • 10:00 – School and career post-high school
  • 14:40 – Breaking into the magazine business
  • 20:45 – Kateโ€™s impression of the US before moving here
  • 22:45 – Moving to Montana
  • 28:00 – How did Montana change Kate?
  • 32:40 – Quitting her job and moving back to Montana
  • 36:00 – Meeting the Phillips family
  • 41:54 – Beginning work at Ranchlands
  • 44:15 – How Kate combines her passions with her career
  • 50:00 – Life-changing experiences at Zapata
  • 54:20 – Why should city dwellers care about the land
  • 55:25 – Misconceptions about ranching
  • 56:45 – Resources
  • 57:40 – Sources of hope

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Live with the Cowboy Artists of America

This is a special episode that was recorded live in Fort Worth, Texas as part of the Cowboy Artists of Americaโ€™s 56th annual exhibition and sale. The show was called โ€œStories From Around the Campfire,โ€ and it was held at the world-renowned Amon Carter Musem of American Art. I was joined on stage by seven influential members CAA community, and we had a panel discussion about the rich history and bright future of the organization. As youโ€™ll hear, the event was partly an in-depth, educational discussion about the history of the CAA and western art markets, with the other part being hilarious stories from the organizationโ€™s past 56 years.

This event was the brainchild of CAA member and my good friend Teal Blake, who joined me on the podcast several years ago. Sitting on stage with me for the event were Fred Fellows, Jody Beeler, Bill Nebeker, Seth Hopkins, Tim Newton, Red Steagall, and Bruce Greene, all of whom are legends in the western art worldโ€“ you can read more about all of them using the links below. Each of these gentlemen brought a unique perspective and distinct experiences to the conversation. But across the board, they all share a deep love of the West, authentic artistic humility, and unwavering respect for the legacy of the CAA.

This conversation winds in and out of many fascinating (and sometimes hilarious) topics. We had great discussions about the creative process, the idea of fully committing to the life of an artist, and how mentorship plays a huge role in the artistโ€™s journey. We discussed the CAAโ€™s unprecedented longevity in the art world, and how the groupโ€™s annual trail ride plays an important role in building friendships and strong bonds between the artists. We talk about how the CAA selects new members, and how the organization has evolved artistically over the decades. There is no lack of sense of humor among these guys, so they share plenty of crazy stories about the pranks and practical jokes that theyโ€™ve played on each other over the past 56 years. You can hear from the audienceโ€™s laughter that everyone in the auditorium was having a great time.

I was honored to share a stage with these seven men, and I greatly appreciate Teal inviting me to be a part of such a special few days. Hope you enjoy!

Photos courtesy of the Cowboy Artists of America

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  • 2:40 – Intro
  • 4:55 – Fred Fellowsโ€™ journey from Northrop Aircraft to professional artist
  • 13:20 – Jody talks about Joe Beelorโ€™s focus and work ethic
  • 15:40 Bill Nebeker tells one of his world-famous jokes
  • 18:40 – Bill discusses mentorship and art education for the next generation
  • 25:40 – Seth Hopkins discusses the CAAโ€™s longevity in the art world
  • 28:10 – Tim Newton discusses how the CA began his journey in the art world
  • 33:10 – Red Stegall talks about his deep respect for the CAA
  • 38:40 – Bruce Greene discusses the balance of being an individual with being a member of a brotherhood of artistsย ย 
  • 46:25 – Fred discusses the CA trail ride
  • 49:40 – Crazy pranks and funny stories from the trail ride
  • 1:00:40 – What are the criteria for joining the CAA?
  • 1:05:55 – What does the future of the CAA look like?
  • 1:07:40 – Early days of selling western art, before there was a robust western art market
  • 1:10:40 – How does CA pick trail ride locations
  • 1:12:55 – How the CA built the western art market
  • 1:16:10 – How the CA thinks about finding new artists in the future

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Chris Dombrowski, Part 2 – “The River You Touch”

Chris Dombrowski is a Missoula-based writer, poet, teacher, and fishing guide, and heโ€™s also the author of the excellent new book The River You Touch: Making a Life on Moving Water. If youโ€™re a longtime Mountain & Prairie listener, you probably remember Chrisโ€™s first appearance on the podcast in which we discussed his first book Body of Water and his poetry collection, Ragged Anthem. Since that first conversation, Chris has become a great friend, sounding board, and supporter, and his generous spirit and creative commitment continue to be a huge source of inspiration for everything Iโ€™m trying to do here at Mountain & Prairie.

Like me, Chris is not originally from the West, but since moving here, he has built a meaningful, purpose-driven life that is deeply connected to the regionโ€™s rugged land and powerful rivers. Whether guiding fishing clients on the Big Hole, foraging food with his family, or hunting birds with his dog Zeke, the Westโ€™s wild places are a cornerstone of Chrisโ€™s lifeโ€“ professionally, personally, and spiritually. His new book The River You Touch offers rich insights into his journey from his home state of Michigan to his now-home of Montana, as well as his personal evolution as a husband, father, friend, and community member. Beautifully written, surprisingly vulnerable, and extremely inspiring, The River You Touch is one of the best books Iโ€™ve read this year.

Chris and I connected virtually and had a fun conversation about the book, fatherhood, adventure, writing, and much more. We started by discussing how The River You Touch came to be, which has an interesting connection to our first podcast conversation. We talk about his process of combining poetic prose with non-fiction narrative, as well as his desire to explore ideas around masculinity and vulnerability. We talk a lot about Jim Harrisonโ€“ their friendship, Harrisonโ€™s genius, and his other-worldly work ethic. We discuss family, the blessing of having strong and tough wives, advice for aspiring writers, and more good book recommendations. Enjoy!

Photos by (past podcast guest) Erik Petersen

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  • 3:15 – Chris talks about how he came upon the idea that became his most recent book, The River You Touch
  • 8:30 – Chris discusses his motivations for writing
  • 14:30 – Chris talks about his writing process for The River Your Touch
  • 20:30 – Chris discusses being vulnerable in his writing
  • 30:30 – Chris talks about the need for more writing that discusses masculinity and vulnerability
  • 34:45 – Chris discusses his relationship with Jim Harrison and how he operated with such a work hard, play hard mentality
  • 42:15 – Chris explains the advice he received from Jim Harrison: โ€œDonโ€™t let your life become the sloppy leftovers of your work.โ€
  • 45:45 – Chris reads a section from The River You Touch
  • 48:30ย  – Chris discusses his thinking regarding having children and their environmental impact
  • 51:45 – Chris talks about his wife and continuing his writing career after having children
  • 54:15 – Chris discusses how he advises students who may not want to write as much as they think they do
  • 1:00:15 – Chris talks about his audiobook narrator for The River You Touch
  • 1:04:00 – Chrisโ€™s book recommendations

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Douglas Brinkley – Exploring the Past to Find Inspiration for the Future
Ed and Douglas Brinkley in Austin, TX

Douglas Brinkley is a world-renowned historian, author, and professor who may be best known to Mountain & Prairie listeners as the author of The Wilderness Warrior: Theodore Roosevelt and the Crusade for America and Rightful Heritage: Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Land of America, which detailed the first two waves of the United Statesโ€™ conservation movement. His most recent book is Silent Spring Revolution: John F. Kennedy, Rachel Carson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and the Great Environmental Awakening, which delves into the third wave of conservation and the rise of the modern environmental movement. I was lucky enough to read an advanced copy of Silent Spring Revolution, and I highly recommend it.

Doug was raised in Ohio and from an early age, his parents instilled in him and deep love and respect for wild places, national parks, and the rich history of conservation in the United States. After earning his M.A. and Ph.D. from Georgetown University, Doug began his career as a professor and historian, and he went on to teach at numerous prestigious institutions, including the US Naval Academy, Princeton, Hofstra, Tulane, and, most recently, Rice University. The prolific nature of Dougโ€™s writing life is hard to comprehendโ€“ heโ€™s written extensively about everyone from TR to FDR, JFK to Rosa Parks, and about places ranging from the Alaskan Wilderness to the moon. Heโ€™s the literary executor of Hunter S. Thompsonโ€™s estate and has edited the diaries of Jack Kerouac for two separate books. Heโ€™s also served on the boards of numerous conservation organizations and has won awards for his contributions to the conservation movement. And those accomplishments just scratch the surface of his careerโ€ฆ

Doug has been a long-time literary hero of mine, and I credit The Wilderness Warrior with fueling my obsession with TR and inspiring me to move out of the real estate business and into land and water conservation work. So when I had the opportunity to join Doug at his home in Austin for a conversation about Silent Spring Revolution, I didnโ€™t hesitate to jump on a plane to Texas. We had a wonderful, wide-ranging conversation about the book, exploring everything from the life and work of Rachel Carson to the TR-like qualities of Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas to the environmental legacies of JFK, LBJ, and Nixon. We also talk about Dougโ€™s longstanding personal connection to conservation and how a deep love of teaching is at the core of all of his work. Doug also talks about the roles that art and music play in his life, what gives him hope for the future, and much more. The episode notes are jam-packed with everything we discussed, so be sure to visit the episode webpage for copious resources and links.

Again, I highly recommend Silent Spring Revolution, but really, I highly recommend all of Dougโ€™s work. I greatly appreciate Doug welcoming me into his home and taking the time to chat, I hope you enjoy both this conversation and Silent Spring Revolution as much as I did.

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  • 5:30 – Doug walks us through a brief history of American conservation, as well as his love for Thoreau
  • 9:00 – JFKโ€™s connection to the ocean and how it influenced his conservation ethic
  • 15:30 – Wiliam Oโ€™Douglasโ€™s impact on American conservation
  • 20:00 – How Rachel Carsonโ€™s work ended up connecting her to JFK
  • 31:30 – The bond that developed between Rachel Carson and JFK
  • 34:30 – The Nixon legacy in American Conservation
  • 41:45 – Sewage treatment and its unexpected contribution to the environmental movement
  • 45:00 – The formation of the Endangered Species Act
  • 46:00 – Doug talks about how he writes, his relationship with teaching, and his National Park travels
  • 52:00 – Doug discusses the more art-focused parts of his life
  • 56:20 – Doug talks about what gives him hope despite climate change

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Live from Maxwell Alexander Gallery

This is a special podcast episode that was recorded live in Los Angeles at Maxwell Alexander Galleryโ€™s 10 Year Anniversary Exhibition. Maxwell Alexander Gallery was founded back in 2012, when brothers Beau Alexander and Logan Maxwell Hagege decided to start an artist-focused gallery that spotlighted the Westโ€™s most cutting-edge art. What started with a crazy idea, a small space, and a few artists has evolved into one of the most well-known galleries in the Westโ€“ a gallery that celebrates the many complex facets of the American West through paintings and sculpture.

This is a recording of an artist panel discussion that was held on Saturday evening, just before the public exhibition began. The panel includes both Beau and Logan, as well as renowned western artists Kim Wiggins, Eric Bowman, and T. Allen Lawson, who goes by Tim. We recorded this conversation in a space next door to the gallery, and we quickly filled all of the chairs and it became a standing-room-only event. The six of us sat on stools in front of Loganโ€™s 8’x12′ painting titled โ€œThe Song at Sunset,โ€ which Logan discusses during the panel. If youโ€™d like to see an image of this massive work of art, thereโ€™s a link in the episode notes.

Over the course of an hour, the six of us had a wonderful conversation that covered a wide range of topics, everything from the founding of the Maxwell Alexander Gallery all the way to expectations about the future of the Western art markets. Tim speaks about how he used to go out looking for scenes to paint, but now he patiently waits for the โ€œpaintings to come to [him].โ€ Kim talks about his unique upbringing in New Mexico and how professional art captured him from an early age. Eric discussed how he treats each of his paintings as an โ€œopen-ended storyโ€ so as to draw the viewer deeper into the work. And those are just a few of the many topics we discussed. Check out the notes below for a full list of topics.

And if you leave this episode wanting to hear more from these artists, donโ€™t worryโ€“ Iโ€™ve convinced them all to join me for their own episodes in the coming months. And you can always go back and listen to my first episode with Logan.

A huge thank you to Beau and Logan for inviting me to this one-of-a-kind event, and a thank you to all of the artists for being such fun, welcoming, and fascinating people who contribute so much to the culture of the American West. I was honored to be included, and I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

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  • 3:15 – Introductions
  • 4:40 – Ed starts the questions
  • 5:30 – Logan talks about starting up the Maxwell Alexander Gallery and why they were interested in doing so
  • 7:45 – Beau talks about the biggest surprises he experienced in starting the gallery
  • 10:30 – Beau and Logan discuss how they evaluate which artists are a good fit for their gallery 
  • 13:30 – Tim discusses his process of letting โ€œpaintings come to meโ€
  • 16:00 – Tim talks about balancing (or not balancing) making art that he knows will sell with trying new forms of art
  • 17:30 – Kim talks about becoming an artist
  • 22:30 – Eric discusses how he makes his paintings โ€œopen-ended [stories]โ€
  • 25:30 – Eric talks about how the American West captured his imagination
  • 27:45 – Beau discusses his process of encouraging artists that he works with without over-influencing them
  • 29:45 – Logan discusses his large work of art positioned behind the panel (name?)
  • 32:15 – Beau discusses Loganโ€™s painting
  • 34:00 – The panel talks about the responsibility they feel to understand the history of the places they represent in their art
  • 40:15 – Eric discusses why he believes that making art should never be easy
  • 42:15 – Beau talks about the business of art, how it was impacted by COVID-19, and what he is thinking about as predictions of a recession circulate
  • 47:00 – Audience question: How does the panel compose their color harmonies, especially Logan on such large paintings?
  • 52:30 – Audience question: Discuss the effect of the 2021 Maxwell Alexander artistโ€™s retreat 
  • 55:30 – Audience question: Does anyone on the panel intend to make a big shift in their style, or do they feel locked in? 
  • 59:45 – Tim celebrates Logan and Beauโ€™s work at the gallery
  • 1:01:00 – Logan and Beau express their appreciation for the artists

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Monica Tranel – Fighting for the Future of Montana

Francesca Claverie – A Borderlands Conservation Success Story
Francesca Clavarie

Francesca Claverie is the Native Plant Program Manager at the Borderlands Restoration Network. Based in the southern Arizona town of Patagonia, the Borderlands Restoration Networkโ€™s mission is โ€œto grow a restorative economy by rebuilding healthy ecosystems, restoring habitat for plants and wildlife, and reconnecting our border communities to the land through shared learning.โ€ Through binational partnerships and community-led innovation, Francesca and her team are making progress toward solving many border-specific conservation challengesโ€“ challenges that are often not very well known to those of us living far from the border.

We could easily spend five or six hours discussing Francescaโ€™s various conservation projects, but for this hour-long conversation, we zoned in one particularly innovative project that spans the US-Mexico border called Bacanora for Bats: Binational Conservation and Sustainable Agave Spirits. The project is focused on conserving agave plantsโ€“ plants that are a critical food source for specific migrating bat populations and are simultaneously under a great deal of pressure because of the booming tequila and Bacanora industries. As youโ€™ll hear her explain, Francesca and her team have implemented a one-of-a-kind system that allows for continued economic prosperity from agave production, but not at the expense of the bat populations. Itโ€™s a perfect example of a community-driven, win-win conservation solution.

A little more than two years ago, the project was awarded the Salazar Centerโ€™s Connectivity Challenge prizeโ€“ a $100,000 award that Francesca and her binational team have used to implement this innovative conservation solution. So we obviously talk about how those funds have been put to use and some of the successes that have resulted from the prize. We also discuss some of the unexpected opportunities and challenges that have arisen during the project, and how changing political administrations on both sides of the border have affected her work. We go into great detail about bats, the ecology of agave plants, and specific challenges that come with working across borders. Francesca also has a fascinating personal and professional trajectory, so we talk about her childhood spent on the California-Mexico border and how she decided to pursue conservation as a career. She also offers up some excellent book recommendations and some wise parting words.

I was so inspired by Francesca and her work along the border, and I believe there are lessons in this conversation that can be applied by anyone working in the conservation sector. Thanks to Francesca for taking the time to chat, and thank you for listening.

Header photo by Kayla Lewis, headshot courtesy of Francesca Claverie

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This episode is brought to you in partnership with Colorado State Universityโ€™s Salazar Center for North American Conservation.  

This conversation scratches the surface of some of the topics that will be covered in greater depth at the Salazar Centerโ€™s fourth annual International Symposium on Conservation Impact, which will be held next week – the week of October 3, 2022 – in Denver and online. The symposium will explore how conservation efforts that span boundaries like the US-Mexico border can drive binational cooperation as well as better outcomes for people and nature. An all-star lineup of conservation researchers, practitioners, policymakers, and funders will highlight opportunities for and barriers to conservation in the border region, climate change impacts, the role of Indigenous leadership, and learnings from the regionโ€™s distinct history and biogeography.

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  • 4:30 – Overview of the Borderlands Restoration Network
  • 9:30 – Application to the Connectivity Challenge
  • 11:40 – Agave, Bats, and Pollination
  • 20:40 – How the bat pollination issue came to Borderlands Restoration Network’s attention
  • 27:00 – Certification program for Bacanora
  • 36:20 – How the Connectivity Challenge funds have been invested
  • 38:55 – Unexpected challenges and opportunities
  • 41:20 – How different US administrations affect these border projects
  • 47:20 – Francesca’s personal and professional background
  • 53:45 – Other borderland projects that are showing great promise
  • 57:30 – Favorite books
  • 1:02:25 – Parting words
  • 1:04:30 – Connect with the Borderlands Restoration Network

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Amber Smith – Creating Connection & Community
Amber Smith

Amber Smith is a Montana-based rancher and the Executive Director of Women in Ranching, a nonprofit organization whose mission is to hold brave space, support courageous action, and champion rural womenโ€™s leadership on the land. Offering a blend of in-person and virtual events, Women in Ranching has filled a unique niche across a wide range of rural communities in the West and beyond. From skill-building workshops to virtual kitchen table chats to multi-day on-the-ground experiences, Women in Ranching offers a much-needed, supportive network for women whose families and livelihoods are closely tied to agriculture and the land.

Amber was born and raised in Illinois, and she met her now-husband Trevor while working at a ranch in Colorado. They fell in love, got married, and today Amber and Trevor have two young children and a successful ranching business in eastern Montana. As youโ€™ll hear in our conversation, when Amber was first introduced to Women in Ranching several years ago, she felt an immediate connection to the organizationโ€™s workโ€“ the connection was so strong that she eventually took the helm as the organizationโ€™s leader. And earlier this year, after several years under the umbrella of Western Landowners Alliance, Women in Ranching became its own freestanding nonprofit organization- an exciting next step for the organizationโ€™s continued growth and evolution.

Amber and I met more than five years ago on the Antelope Springs Ranch, the ranch that she and Trevor continue to steward to this day. I was immediately impressed with her energy, dedication to her community, and ability to juggle many competing priorities with grace and humor. Iโ€™ve been following her leadership with Women in Ranching for many years now, and it was a real pleasure to have the opportunity to reconnect and have such an inspiring conversation. We talked about the purpose and mission of Women in Ranching and how the organization has evolved in unexpected ways. We discuss some of the specific challenges facing women ranchers and how Women in Ranching works to address those needs. We discussed the pandemicโ€™s effect on ranching communities, how Amber tries to find balance in her life, how she has been positively impacted by the organization, some specific success stories, her favorite books, and much more. Be sure to check out the episode notes for a complete list of everything we discussed.

To learn more about Women in Ranching and to support its work, head over to www.womeninranching.co. Huge thanks to Amber for all of her hard work, and thanks to you for listening. Hope you enjoy.

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Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – Amber describes Women in Ranching
  • 17:30 – Amber talks about how her work with elders impacted how she approaches her work and life
  • 22:30 – Amber discusses Women in Ranching and how its work was influenced by the pandemic
  • 29:00 – Amber talks about who comes to the Confluence
  • 30:30 – Amber discusses the current form of Women in Ranching
  • 35:00 – Amber talks about the early stages of Women in Ranching becoming their own organization
  • 40:00 – Amber explains her outlook on life balance and managing overwhelm
  • 45:30 – Amber discusses how she learned to deal with a new kind of challenge in her work with Women in Ranching
  • 56:00 – Amber talks about how the shift in Women in Ranching from WLA program to its own organization impacted her as a person
  • 1:05:45 – How folks can get involved and support Women in Ranching
  • 1:10:15 – Amber talks about books that have influenced her
  • 1:14:30 – Amberโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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Mike McTee & Vince Slabe – Win-Win Solutions in the Fight to Save Eagles
Mike McTee
Photo Credit: Jordan Hoffmaster

Mike McTee and Vince Slabe are Montana-based researchers who use cutting-edge science, writing, and educational programs to protect eagles in the American West and beyond. Both Mike and Vince are laser-focused on the surprisingly little-known issue of lead poisoning in bald and golden eagles, a problem caused mainly by eagles scavenging the remains of big game animals that have been hunted with lead-based ammunition. For example, a study conducted near Jackson Hole captured migrating golden eagles, tested them for lead, and found that 98% had elevated lead levels in their blood. Committed hunters themselves, Mike and Vince are devoting their professional energies toward finding sustainable, reasonable, and mutually beneficial solutions to this large-scale challenge.

Vince Slabe

Mike lives in Missoula and works as a researcher at the MPG Ranch, a large, privately owned ranch in the Bitterroot Valley that promotes conservation through restoration, research, education, and information sharing. He is also the author of the excellent new book Wilted Wings: A Hunter’s Fight for Eagles, which was recently published by Riverfeet Press. In it, Mike lays out the issue of lead poisoning in eagles in a compelling and easy-to-understand style, and he offers some clear and relatively simple paths to solving the problem. Mike has also written for The FlyFish Journal, Backcountry Journal, and Bugle, and he is a sought-after speaker on various hunting-related topics.

Vince is a Bozeman-based Research Wildlife Biologist with Conservation Science Global. He holds a Ph.D. from West Virginia University and recently published a wildly cited paper that details the implications of lead poisoning in eagles across North America. The paper, which was published in Science, describes how almost half of the bald and golden eagles sampled for the study had elevated levels of lead in their blood. More importantly, it explains exactly how increasing or decreasing levels of lead exposure will affect golden and bald eagle populations. We discussed the paper in our conversation, and I’ve also linked it to the episode notes.

This is a fascinating discussion that digs deep into a very specific issueโ€“ an issue that is largely under the radar here in the West. But if you zoom out from the details related to lead and eagles, and focus on the big picture, I think you’ll agree that Mike and Vince are shining examples of the many smart, driven, level-headed people here in the West who are working hard to find win-win solutions to conservation-related challenges. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation, Mike’s new book, and Vince’s paper, and I hope you will too.

Be sure to check out the episode notes for a list of all the topics we discussed and links to everything. Thanks for listening!

Header photograph by Estelle Shuttleworth, Mike’s headshot by Jordan Hoffmaster

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Topics Discussed:

  • 3:45 – Mikeโ€™s introduction
  • 5:30 – Vinceโ€™s introduction
  • 8:45 – Mike and Vince discuss the history of raptor-human interaction in the US over the last 200 years
  • 15:15 Mike and Vince discuss the threat of lead poisoning as it pertains to raptors, noting the historical use of lead shot in waterfowl hunting
  • 26:30 – Mike and Vince discuss their current work addressing the threat still posed to raptors by lead bullets for big game hunting
  • 33:00 – Vince discusses ammunition demonstrations and the Arthur M. Blank Foundationโ€™s advocacy for adopting non-lead ammunition through their private, guided hunting trips. 
  • 40:15 – Mike and Vince talk about why there has been resistance to widespread adoption of non-lead ammunition.
  • 49:15 – Mike discusses managing the few situations where there is anger directed towards his work as he encourages hunters to switch ammunition
  • 55:15 – Mike and Vinceโ€™s book recommendations
  • 1:04:30 – Mike and Vinceโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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Peter Stark – Tales of Adventure, Exploration, & Epic Battles
Peter Stark
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If youโ€™re a long-time Mountain & Prairie listener, then Iโ€™m sure youโ€™ve heard me reference the author and historian Peter Stark. Heโ€™s written some of the most memorable books Iโ€™ve ever read, including one of my all-time favorites about the early history of the western United Statesโ€“ a thrilling tale of adventure and exploration called Astoria: John Jacob Astor and Thomas Jefferson’s Lost Pacific Empire: A Story of Wealth, Ambition, and Survival. Peter has also spent years working as a correspondent for Outside and has written extensively for magazines including Smithsonian, Menโ€™s Journal, The New Yorker, and more.

Iโ€™ve been a fan of Peterโ€™s for more than twenty years, so when I was offered the chance to chat with him, I jumped at the opportunity. The focus of this conversation is Peterโ€™s newest project, an e-and audiobook titled Sins of the Founding Father: George Washington, the Indigenous Tribes, and the Decisions that Shaped Americaโ€™s Future.ย  Itโ€™s an in-depth exploration of an often-overlooked battle in 1791 between American troops and Indigenous tribesโ€“ a violent fight that was decisively won by the Native Americans, and resulted in three times more American deaths than the Battle of Little Big Horn. The e-book also covers the life and personality of George Washington, Americaโ€™s insatiable hunger for land, and the United Statesโ€™ uncertain future in the years just after the Revolutionary War.ย ย 

You might be wondering, what does George Washington have to do with the present-day American West? Back then, the term โ€œAmerican Westโ€ described a region now known as Ohio. Well, as youโ€™ll hear in this conversation, this specific battle set the course of action for the next hundred+ years regarding the United Statesโ€™ policies toward Indigenous tribes. The Americanโ€™s crippling defeat led Washington and other leaders to ramp up their violent tactics against Native tribes and hold nothing back in their quest to claim as much western land as possible, as quickly as possible. Itโ€™s an eye-opening story that gave me a much better understanding of the ambition, egos, and economic realities that laid the foundation for the modern-day West.

Sins of the Founding Father is available exclusively at Scribd, and thereโ€™s a link in the episode notes that will give you a free 30-day trial. Scribd is a really cool app that Iโ€™ve enjoyed using for e and audiobooks, so go to Scribd.com to check it all out.ย  Sins of the Founding Father is aย  great read and at only 70 pages, you can enjoy it in one sitting. I hope youโ€™ll check it out, and I hope you enjoy this conversation.

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  • 4:00 โ€“ Peter describes young George Washington
  • 7:15 โ€“ Peter discusses Washingtonโ€™s lust for land acquisitionย 
  • 19:30 โ€“ Peter talks about how Washingtonโ€™s land speculation set the playbook for greedy land acquisition seen throughout US history
  • 23:00 โ€“ Peter jumps ahead to Washingtonโ€™s life in 1791
  • 40:00 โ€“ Peter talks about writing history in an engaging wayย 
  • 46:00 โ€“ Peter discusses his own writing process
  • 51:15 โ€“ Peter discusses the historical parallels between our recent sociopolitical turmoil and that of the late 1700s following the Battle with No Name โ€“ or -discusses the fallout of the Battle with No Name
  • 1:01:15 โ€“ Peterโ€™s book recommendations

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Frances Ashforth – Art, Water, and Wide-Open Spaces

Frances B. Ashforth is an artist who specializes in drawing, printmaking, and painting. While much of her work is tied to the landscapes and rivers of the American West, she is also well known for her depictions of salt flats and coastal weather in more tropical locales. If there are two threads that bind all of Francieโ€™s work, they are her deep reverence for natural landscapes and her desire to protect them. Over the years, she has collaborated with many highly regarded conservationists to combine writing and artโ€“ first, in her Water + Words project, and most recently, when she created all of the art for Dylan Tomineโ€™s excellent new book Headwaters: The Adventures, Obsession and Evolution of a Fly Fisherman.

Francie was born and raised on the east coast, into a family of artists and athletes who cultivated her obsessions with art and perpetual physical activity. Even though a childhood accident confined her to a body brace for nearly six years, Francie always pursued her passions with full enthusiasm and vigor, working hard to keep a positive attitude in the face of such a serious physical setback. But her commitment to creativity never waiveredโ€“ after studying art and architecture in college, she worked professionally as both an architectural illustrator and art director for more than a decade. Eventually, Francie left her day job to focus on her own artistic endeavors, as well as her all-important role as a mother to young children. Today, Francieโ€™s work has been shown in venues from New York City to San Francisco, and she has a loyal following among galleries and collectors across the country.

Francie and I met through past podcast guest Dylan Tomine, when I had the pleasure of interviewing both of them at a live event in Brooklyn earlier this year. I was immediately impressed with Franciesโ€™ art, her obsession with fly fishing and books, and her long-term commitment to melding art and conservation. So I was so thrilled when she agreed to join me on the podcast, and we managed to cover a lot. We discussed her childhood and her familyโ€™s influence, and her early career that combined art and architecture. We talked about the specifics of her art, including her influences and her preferred mediums, and we talked in detail about her Water + Words project. We talk a lot about the book Headwaters, as well as her own love of books and reading. Francie offers a long list of excellent book recommendations, so be sure to check the episode notes for links to all of those and everything else we discuss.

Huge thanks to Francie for all she does for conservation and for taking the time to chat with me. Hope you enjoy!

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Frances B. Ashforth

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  • 3:40 โ€“ Francie discusses her childhood
  • 5:30 โ€“ Francie talks about her familyโ€™s creative streak
  • 8:30 โ€“ Francie discusses an accident that impacted her childhood
  • 19:00 โ€“ Francie talks about her college education and early career in architecture
  • 26:15 โ€“ Francie explains her transition from professional drafting to focusing on her own art
  • 28:55 โ€“ Francie describes her art
  • 32:30 โ€“ Francie talks about her Water and Word Project
  • 37:15 โ€“ Francie explains her process of adapting existing words into new, complementary art
  • 42:45 โ€“ Francie talks about how she became involved with Dylan Tomine, Headwaters, and Patagonia Books
  • 49:15 โ€“ Francie discusses reading and the books that make up her personal โ€œbibliographyโ€
  • 1:00:30 โ€“ Francie talks about what is giving her hope these days

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10 Must-Read Books about the American West, with Mark Kenyon
Mark Kenyon

Mark Kenyon is an author, podcaster, conservationist, and member of the MeatEater crew. You probably know him from his excellent book That Wild Country: An Epic Journey Through the Past, Present, and Future of America’s Public Lands, the Wired to Hunt podcast, or his contributions to MeatEater’s Netflix show and other video productions. To learn more about Mark and his impressive personal and professional journey, I’d encourage you to go back to our first Mountain & Prairie conversation from a few years ago, which is linked in the episode notes.

In this episode, Mark and I are doing something a little different: We’re focusing exclusively on books. Earlier this year, Mark had me on his podcast to discuss our favorite books about conservation, and we both received excellent feedback on that episode. You can find a link to that discussion in the notes. So we decided to have another book conversation, this time focusing on some of our favorite books about the American West. Both Mark and I are voracious readers who love share a love of history, conservation, and adventure, so I’m always excited to hear Mark’s recommendations and thoughts on a wide range of titles.

The episode starts out with a brief catch-up on Mark’s summer adventures and his current work with MeatEater, and then we dive into the books. We each picked five of our all-time favorites, and, as you’d expect, we veer off into other tangentially related titles and subjects. This is an episode where you’ll definitely want to check out the episode notes, because there are links to dozens of books, authors, films, and other resources. Mark and I could’ve easily talked for three or four hours, but we had to keep the conversation relatively short because of tight schedules. However, we’re going to try and make these book conversations a regular occurrence on both of our podcastsโ€“ so if you like this format, stay tuned for more!

If you haven’t already, I’d encourage you to check out Mark’s podcast or follow him on social mediaโ€“ he’s a smart, thoughtful, hard-working guy that brings tons of value to the world of conservation and outdoor recreation. Please enjoy the episode, and if you do, please share it with a few friends.

Markโ€™s Five Recommendations

Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey

Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy

The Course of Empire by Bernard DeVoto

Dreams of Eldorado by H.W. Brands

The Oregon Trail by Rinker Buck

Great Plains by Ian Frasier

Edโ€™s Five Recommendations

Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides

The Emerald Mile by Kevin Fedarko

Leave It As It Is by David Gessner

Bad Land by Jonathan Rabin

American Zion by Betsy Gaines Quammen

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Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – Mark talks about his summer with his familyย 
  • 11:30 – Mark discusses his plans for Meat Eater in the fall
  • 13:15 – Mark talks about the incredible experiences that constitute his job
  • 14:30 – Mark and Ed discuss their five favorite American West conservation books (see their lists below) starting with Desert Solitaireย 
  • 27:30 – Blood and Thunder
  • 33:15 – Empire of the Summer Moon
  • 34:45 – Blood Meridianย 
  • 36:15 – The Course of Empire andย 
  • 39:15 – Dreams of Eldorado
  • 45:15 – The Emerald Mileย 
  • 51:00 – The Oregon Trail
  • 54:45 – Leave It As It Is
  • 59:00 – Great Plains
  • 1:03:15 – Badlands
  • 1:05:45 – American Zion

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Nate Schweber – A Forgotten Chapter of American Conservation
Nate Schweber
Photo credit: Dave Sanders

Nate Schweber is an award-winning journalist whose work has been featured in the New York Times, ProPublica, Anthony Bourdainโ€™s Parts Unknown, and more. Heโ€™s also the author of the new book This America of Ours: Bernard and Avis DeVoto and the Forgotten Fight to Save the Wild, which was published in early July 2022. If youโ€™re looking for an engaging and entertaining history book that highlights an often-overlooked era of conservation in the American West, then This America of Ours is your bookโ€“ as youโ€™ll hear in this conversation, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Nate is a native Montanan who grew up in Missoula and headed east to New York City as a young man to pursue a career in journalism. Despite building a successful life and career in the big city, Nate never lost his love for Montanaโ€“ so he made an effort to pursue more stories linked to the people and landscapes of the American West. As he studied and explored the West with his journalistโ€™s eye, he discovered the writings of Bernard DeVoto and was quickly captivated. Fast forward to today, and he has written an amazing book about Bernard and his wife Avis, and how together they were one of the most important and effective forces for conservation in the early 20th century.

I knew I was going to enjoy This America of Ours, but it surpassed all of my lofty expectations. While I had definitely heard of the DeVotos, I had no idea of their influence and fearlessness, especially as they faced off against powerful forces that were attempting to sell off vast tracts of our public lands. Nate and I dig into all aspects of the DeVotosโ€™ lives and historical importance, both individually and as a power couple. We talk about why Nate became so obsessed with the DeVotos, and how the DeVotos bridged the gap between Theodore and Franklin Rooseveltโ€™s conservation legacies and the modern-day environmental movement. We discuss the parallels between the public lands battles of today and those of the early 20th century, and how reading history helps us to better understand and process todayโ€™s current events. Nate also offers up tons of excellent book recommendations, so be sure to check out the notes for a list of all the topics we discuss and links to everything.

A huge thanks to Nate for writing such an enlightening book and for taking the time to join me for a conversation. I hope you enjoy!

Header photo courtesy of Nate Schweber, headshot by Dave Sanders

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Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 – How the DeVotos captured Nateโ€™s attention
  • 8:45 – Nate describes the DeVotos’ personalities
  • 13:30 – Nate explains how a flood galvanized Bernard DeVotoโ€™s passionate conservation ethic
  • 20:00 – The role road trips played in the DeVotos’ lives and work
  • 27:00 – Nate discusses how learning the historical and legal backdrop for conservation colors his understanding of the challenges surrounding conservation and public lands now
  • 32:00 – Nate introduces some of the tangles the DeVotos had with the FBI following accusations that the couple were communists 
  • 38:00 – Nate discusses an important friendship for the DeVotos: Julia Child
  • 44:00 – Nate dives into his process of researching the DeVotos
  • 49:45 – Nate talks about his career and how he ended up moving from Missoula, MT to New York City, and why he stays there now
  • 55:07 – Ed and Nate discuss contradictions in each personality and how they make people more interesting
  • 58:00 – Nate recommends some books
  • 1:03:30 – Nateโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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Pete McBride, Part 2: In Search of Silence
Pete McBride

Pete McBride is an award-winning photographer and filmmaker whose work is regularly featured by National Geographic, Smithsonian, The Nature Conservancy, and other renowned institutions. His most recent book is titled Seeing Silence: The Beauty of the Worldโ€™s Most Quiet Places, and it features photographs and stories from more than two decades of his adventures on all seven continents. Seeing Silence uses stunning imagery and engaging storytelling to highlight the importance of places free of man-made noise, and it educates the reader on just how quickly silence is disappearing from the world.

For more than twenty years, Pete has been using his skills as a storyteller to inspire action on a wide variety of conservation issues. He has highlighted the multitude of threats facing the Grand Canyon in both his documentary Into the Grand Canyon and his book Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim. Heโ€™s also documented the Westโ€™s ongoing water crisis by focusing on the myriad of challenges affecting the Colorado River basinโ€“making the important but sometimes confusing topic of water in the West accessible to a broader audience. And now, with Seeing Silence, heโ€™s turned his focus to noise pollution and natural sounds, and I personally learned a lot from the book and this conversation.

This is Peteโ€™s second appearance on the podcast, so if youโ€™d like to learn more about his personal backstory and adventures in the Grand Canyon, you can find a link to that conversation in the episode notes. In this conversation, we go deep into Peteโ€™s new obsession with silence and natural sounds, and why noise pollution is such a critical conservation issue. We started out talking about Peteโ€™s expedition to South Georgia Island back in March of 2020 and how he had to make a hasty escape from the island when Covid descended on the world. We talk about his experience during Covid, and how the pandemic shifted his interests from the visual to the auditory. We discuss how artificial noise affects wildlife, why Pete feels a responsibility not to share specific wilderness locations on social media, how Peteโ€™s family keeps him grounded, the larger purpose that drives his professional work, his recent trips to Lake Powell, and we also included some sounds that Pete recorded during his South Georgia Island expedition.

It was great to chat with Pete again, and Iโ€™d encourage you to check out Seeing Silenceโ€“ itโ€™s an excellent book. And be sure the check out the episode notes for a complete list of all the topics we discussed and links to everything. Thanks to Pete for taking the time, and thanks to you for listening. I hope you enjoy!

Header photo and headshot courtesy of Pete McBride, book photo by Ed

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Topics Discussed:

  • 3:30 – Where Pete was during the start of the pandemic
  • 5:30 – Thousands of King Penguins
  • 10:15 – How Pete, as an outgoing person, adjusted from a career of traveling for films to pandemic isolation
  • 13:30 – An example that Pete observed of how pandemic silence affected wildlife
  • 23:30 – Pete reflects on shifting his focus from more visual media to auditory
  • 26:45 – Pete discusses a search for quiet and how human-made sound and industry impacts wildlife
  • 32:30 – Pete and Ed discuss the impact of human-caused light pollution along with the impacts sound has on humans
  • 36:45 – Pete describes why he became interested in sound
  • 40:00 – Pete discusses the responsibility he feels as a photographer to not inspire destructive over-visitation of beautiful natural places 
  • 44:45 – Pete discusses how he and his family keep him humble and grounded despite widespread attention
  • 49:45 – Pete talks about weaving adventure into work for conservation, and follows up on our first conversation regarding the state of water in the western US
  • 59:30 – Pete gives us some conservation optimism

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Rick Ridgeway – Purpose-Driven Adventurer
Rick Ridgeway
Photo by Jimmy Chin

Rick Ridgeway is a world-renowned mountaineer and adventurer who has devoted his life to exploring some of the wildest regions of Planet Earthโ€“ from the summit of K2 to the jungles of Borneo to the mountain ranges of the American West and almost everywhere in between. Rick is also a highly regarded author, director, and producer who has written seven books and created numerous films and television shows. His newest book is titled Life Lived Wild: Adventures at the Edge of the Map, an excellent memoir that dives deep into his adventures, friendships, environmental advocacy, and pursuit of purpose-driven work.

Rick was born and raised in California, and when he was a teenager, his mother gave him a subscription to National Geographic, which ignited his passion for climbing and adventure. Early in his climbing career, Rick ticked off some unbelievably difficult climbs around the world, most notably being the first American to summit K2. But as he grew older and more experienced in the mountains, he shifted his focus away from pursuing adventure for adventure’s sake. Over time, he began to use his skills as an athlete and explorer to advance more purpose-driven causes such as wildlife conservation and environmental advocacy. Rick’s commitment to living a purpose-driven life is beautifully detailed in his new book Life Lived Wild, a book that I loved and highly recommend.

I had the pleasure of recording this conversation with Rick in person, just before a book signing at the Patagonia store in Denver. I have long admired Rick, and one of his earlier books played a huge role in my personal development, so it was an honor to have the opportunity to sit and talk with him for an hour. We started out discussing how and when he first began climbing and how he grew from an amateur climber into a world-class mountaineer. We talk a lot about mentorshipโ€“ how he was mentored by climbing and environmental luminaries Yvon Chouinard and Doug Tompkins, and how he mentored many up-and-coming climbers, including Jimmy Chin. We talk about his commitment to taking action and being a doer, his success as an entrepreneur, and his 15-year tenure leading Patagonia’s sustainability initiatives. We talk about what brings Rick hope in the face of the climate crisis, how the pandemic affected him, and, as you’d expect from such a skilled writer, Rick offers tons of excellent book recommendations.

Huge thanks to Rick for taking the time to chat and to Patagonia Books for setting it all up. Meeting Rich was really a dream come true for me. I hope you enjoy.

Photos courtesy of Patagonia Books. Header by John Roskelley, portrait by Jimmy Chin.

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Topics Discussed:

  • 6:00 – A thank you to Rick
  • 7:30 – Rick describes the moment he knew what he wanted to do when he grew up
  • 13:30 – Rick talks us through his transition from climbing just for fun to using climbing to inform larger causes
  • 21:30 – Rick talks about mentorship and what inspires him to be that kind of friend to people
  • 29:15 – Rick talks about his experiences on the second American expedition on Everest and the first American expedition on K2 with his mentor, Jim Whittaker
  • 32:00 – Rick explains the โ€œdoโ€ mentality of Yvon Chouinard and Doug Thompkins
  • 36:45 – Rick talks about his career shift from owning his own business to a job at an established company (Patagonia)
  • 44:45 – Rick discusses how he finds balance between a businessโ€™s larger purpose and the details in its operation
  • 48:30 – Rick talks about hope and climate change
  • 56:00 – Rick talks about his lessons in exploration during the pandemic
  • 1:00:15 – Rickโ€™s book recommendations

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Dr. Eric Arzubi – A New Approach to Solving the West’s Mental Health Crisis
Eric Arzubi, co-founder and CEO of Frontier Psychiatry.

Dr. Eric Arzubi is the co-founder of Frontier Psychiatry, a Montana-based medical practice that is accelerating and expanding access to high-quality psychiatric care for rural communities.

By many metrics, Montana can be described as the epicenter of the United Statesโ€™ mental health crisis. The large, mostly rural state is home to many vulnerable populations who are disproportionately affected by mental health concerns. And given Montanaโ€™s sprawling, lightly populated landscape, easy access to specialized and high-quality mental health care has been a significant challenge. But thanks to technological advancements and increased internet access, Eric and his team have successfully used telepsychiatry to reach underserved communities throughout Montana.

Ericโ€™s path to becoming an innovator in rural medicine is an amazing, unexpected, and inspiring story. After graduating from college, he spent most of his twenties working as a Wall Street bond trader for Morgan Stanley, traveling the world and earning a great living. But despite his material success, he was unfulfilled with his career and felt a deep longing to do purpose-driven work that made the world a better place. So, at age 29, he decided to walk away from Wall Street and begin the long process of becoming a doctorโ€“ prerequisite courses, medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry. At age 44, he landed his first job as a psychiatrist in Billings, Montana, where he fell in love with the people and place, and he began his quest to find solutions to the mental health crisis that plagues the rural West.

Mental health is a topic that is near and dear to my heart, so it was a real honor to have the opportunity to chat with Eric and learn about his innovative approach to solving such a complex societal challenge. We started out discussing his path to medicineโ€“ everything from why he decided to walk away from Wall Street to why he chose psychiatry as his specialty. We discuss the factors that have made Montana the epicenter of the mental health crisis, and what makes Frontier Psychiatry so uniquely qualified to help. We discuss approaches to scaling mental health care throughout the West, how Ericโ€™s business and entrepreneurial background has helped him to find solutions to such a complex problem, and why itโ€™s important for all of us to be advocates for mental health in our own communities. He also describes one of Frontier Psychiatryโ€™s newest initiatives, a partnership with the Montana Department of Agriculture that provides free, confidential counseling to men and women working in agriculture in Montana.

Ericโ€™s life story and his work are extremely inspiring and important, so I know youโ€™ll enjoy this episode. Thanks to Eric for taking the time to talk, and thanks to you for listening.

Headshot courtesy of Eric Arzubi

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Topics Discussed:

  • 4:00 โ€“ Eric describes what he was doing when he was 28
  • 6:00 โ€“ Eric talks about his change of heart at age 29
  • 12:00 โ€“ Eric discusses his friendsโ€™ and familyโ€™s reaction to his career shift, and how one staff member at Morgan Stanley gave him the courage and space to pursue his medical career
  • 16:00 โ€“ Eric talks about how psychiatry caught his attention
  • 21:45 โ€“ Eric explains how he ended up in Montana
  • 32:30 โ€“ Eric talks about what makes Frontier Psychiatry special
  • 37:30 โ€“ Eric discusses how his nontraditional career path may have helped him challenge established practices in the field of mental healthcare
  • 41:45 โ€“ Eric talks about the balance in his work between addressing distinct issues and deep, underlying problems
  • 48:45 โ€“ Eric discusses what gives him hope that there are scalable solutions for mental health challenges, especially in rural communities
  • 55:00 โ€“ Eric explains the role that untrained citizens can play in advocating for/supporting mental health
  • 1:02:45 โ€“ Ericโ€™s book recommendations
  • 1:07:30 โ€“ Ericโ€™s parting words of wisdom

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The Life-Changing Magic of Living Strenuously, with Kate Kavanaugh

This episode is a little different– it’s me being interviewed by my friend and past Mountain & Prairie podcast guest Kate Kavanaugh. If you’ve been listening for a while, then I’m sure you remember Kate– she’s a farmer, butcher, and all-around interesting woman who co-founded Western Daughters Butcher Shop in Denver.

Kate recently started an excellent new podcast called Ground Work, which covers a variety of interesting topics, from soil to health to books to intentional living. Kate is unbelievably smart and insightful, and there’s a ton of overlap between what I’m doing with M&P and what she’s doing with Ground Work, so I’d encourage you to check out all of her episodes. There’s a link in the notes.

Even though I’m still confused as to why anybody would ever want to interview me, Kate did and we had a fun conversation about everything from conservation to ultra running, reading to starting a podcast. We also talk a lot about my obsession with living what Theodore Roosevelt called the Strenuous Life, and how adopting that approach to life has been life-changing for me.

And speaking of the Strenuous Life, I just launched a new section of the website devoted to The Strenuous Life and offering ways for the Mountain & Prairie community to connect and collaborate in the spirit of “Living Strenuously.” Rather than try to explain it all here, Iโ€™d encourage you to click over to learn more about all the details.ย ย 

Thanks for listening. Hope you enjoy this and all of Kateโ€™s podcast episodes. And I hope youโ€™ll be able to join some of the M&P community in our commitment to living the Strenuous Life.ย  Enjoy!

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โ€œI wish to preach, not the doctrine of ignoble ease, but the doctrine of the strenuous life, the life of toil and effort, of labor and strife; to preach that highest form of success which comes, not to the man who desires mere easy peace, but to the man who does not shrink from danger, from hardship, or from bitter toil, and who out of these wins the splendid ultimate triumph.โ€

Theodore Roosevelt

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Land Tawney – Energetic & Optimistic
Land Tawney
(Photo by Maggie Hamilton)

Land Tawney is the President and CEO of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, one of North Americaโ€™s leading and most effective advocates for wild public lands, waters and wildlife. Founded around a campfire in 2004, BHA uses education, nonpartisan political advocacy, stewardship initiatives, and stakeholder coalitions to ensure the protection of our public lands for generations to come. As its name implies, BHA is an organization that works on behalf of sportsmen, but you donโ€™t have to be a hardcore hunter or fisherman to benefit from its work. Iโ€™m a lot of things, but a hardcore hunter is not one of themโ€“ yet, Iโ€™m a proud member of BHA and a super-fan of all that it has accomplished.

Land was born and raised in Montana, the son of two highly respected conservationists who instilled in him a deep reverence for wild places and the importance of protecting them. From an early age, Land was hunting, fishing, and spending time around his parentsโ€™ friends and colleagues, many of whom were well-known, renowned conservationists. When Land was in college, his father passed away, which fortified his desire to devote all of his professional energy to conserving the wild places that have always meant so much to his family. After successful stints at several notable conservation organizations, Land took the helm of BHA in 2013. Since then, he has led and grown the organization into one of the countryโ€™s leading voices for sportsmen and public land protectors.  

When Land and I connected for this conversation, he was hard at work preparing for the upcoming BHA Rendezvous, which is taking place May 12-14, 2022 in Missoula, Montana. We discuss all of the details of that premiere conservation event, and you can find additional information in the notes and on this episodeโ€™s webpage. And we also covered a ton of interesting and important topics, including: the importance of advocating for conservation in Washington, DC; how apathy can be a huge threat to our wild lands; the slippery-slope threat of transferring federal lands to state or private entities; the importance of remaining optimistic in the face of challenges; how BHA helps and encourages new hunters; the importance of BHAโ€™s state chapters and local leadership; Landโ€™s personal and professional conservation journey; and, of course, he offers tons of great book recommendations.

A huge thanks to Land for joining me during such a busy time of year. And I encourage all of you to check out BHAโ€™s membership options and consider supporting them if you are so inclined. I deal with conservation organizations all day in both my podcast and conservation work, and BHA is the best of the best. Hope you enjoy this episode.

Header photo courtesy of Land Tawney and BHA, portrait by Maggie Hamilton

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  • 6:30 – Land talks about Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
  • 12:30 – Land  discusses his plan for when he advocates for conservation issues in DC
  • 17:15 – Land describes what he thinks is the greatest threat to public lands that folks should be aware of
  • 20:15 – Land explains his concern with transferring ownership of public lands to state or private entities 
  • 23:30 – Land talks about how he maintains a healthy level of skepticism in his advocacy work without becoming jaded
  • 27:15 – Land explains the function and importance of BHAโ€™s state chapters
  • 30:15 – Land talks about BHA programs that encourage new hunters and anglers
  • 36:15 – Land talks about his childhood and the role that the outdoors played in it
  • 40:45 – Land discusses his first job out of college
  • 44:15 – Land talks about the common threads he noticed in his conservation mentors
  • 48:15 – Land describes the BHA Rendezvous 
  • 58:15 – Landโ€™s book recommendations

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