Nate Schweber is an award-winning journalist whose work has been featured in the New York Times, ProPublica, Anthony Bourdain’s Parts Unknown, and more. He’s also the author of the new book This America of Ours: Bernard and Avis DeVoto and the Forgotten Fight to Save the Wild, which was published in early July 2022. If you’re looking for an engaging and entertaining history book that highlights an often-overlooked era of conservation in the American West, then This America of Ours is your book– as you’ll hear in this conversation, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Nate is a native Montanan who grew up in Missoula and headed east to New York City as a young man to pursue a career in journalism. Despite building a successful life and career in the big city, Nate never lost his love for Montana– so he made an effort to pursue more stories linked to the people and landscapes of the American West. As he studied and explored the West with his journalist’s eye, he discovered the writings of Bernard DeVoto and was quickly captivated. Fast forward to today, and he has written an amazing book about Bernard and his wife Avis, and how together they were one of the most important and effective forces for conservation in the early 20th century.
I knew I was going to enjoy This America of Ours, but it surpassed all of my lofty expectations. While I had definitely heard of the DeVotos, I had no idea of their influence and fearlessness, especially as they faced off against powerful forces that were attempting to sell off vast tracts of our public lands. Nate and I dig into all aspects of the DeVotos’ lives and historical importance, both individually and as a power couple. We talk about why Nate became so obsessed with the DeVotos, and how the DeVotos bridged the gap between Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt’s conservation legacies and the modern-day environmental movement. We discuss the parallels between the public lands battles of today and those of the early 20th century, and how reading history helps us to better understand and process today’s current events. Nate also offers up tons of excellent book recommendations, so be sure to check out the notes for a list of all the topics we discuss and links to everything.
A huge thanks to Nate for writing such an enlightening book and for taking the time to join me for a conversation. I hope you enjoy!
Header photo courtesy of Nate Schweber, headshot by Dave Sanders
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EPISODE NOTES
Topics Discussed:
- 4:00 – How the DeVotos captured Nate’s attention
- 8:45 – Nate describes the DeVotos’ personalities
- 13:30 – Nate explains how a flood galvanized Bernard DeVoto’s passionate conservation ethic
- 20:00 – The role road trips played in the DeVotos’ lives and work
- 27:00 – Nate discusses how learning the historical and legal backdrop for conservation colors his understanding of the challenges surrounding conservation and public lands now
- 32:00 – Nate introduces some of the tangles the DeVotos had with the FBI following accusations that the couple were communists
- 38:00 – Nate discusses an important friendship for the DeVotos: Julia Child
- 44:00 – Nate dives into his process of researching the DeVotos
- 49:45 – Nate talks about his career and how he ended up moving from Missoula, MT to New York City, and why he stays there now
- 55:07 – Ed and Nate discuss contradictions in each personality and how they make people more interesting
- 58:00 – Nate recommends some books
- 1:03:30 – Nate’s parting words of wisdom
Information Referenced:
- This America of Ours: Bernard DeVoto and the Forgotten Fight to Save the Wild by Nate Schweber
- Bernard DeVoto
- Avis DeVoto
- David Gessner
- This Land by Christopher Ketchum
- Harper’s Magazine
- Upper Peninsula, Mchigan
- Ogden, UT
- Homer
- Wasatch Range
- Harvard University
- University of Utah
- Cloudburst
- Pueblo, CO
- Escalante, UT
- Silver City, NM
- Clean Air Act
- Endangered Species Act
- The Wilderness Act
- Wild and Scenic Rivers Act
- Land and Water Conservation Fund
- “The West Against Itself,” by Bernard DeVoto
- Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC)
- The Garrison Dam
- Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikara Nation
- Joseph Kinsey Howard
- Montana: High, Wide, and Handsome by Joseph Kinsey Howard
- Ansel Adams
- Wallace Stegner
- Chet Olson
- Fred Sanders
- Karl Marx
- J. Edgar Hoover
- Joseph McCarthy
- Thomas McGuane
- Jim Harrison
- Hunter S. Thompson
- Hell’s Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga by Hunter S. Thompson
- Robert Frost
- Stanford University
- Ray Bradbury
- Julia Child
- Julie and Julia
- Deborah Rush
- Julia series on HBO
- Bebe Neuwirth
- Saturday Evening Post
- “Shall We Let Them Ruin Our National Parks,” article by Bernard Devoto
- Blacklisting
- Reader’s Digest
- Fortune
- Reno, NV
- Pat McCarran
- Laramie, WY
- Wyoming Stock Growers Association
- Weber State University
- DeVoto’s Nonfiction Western Trilogy
- The Year of the Decision: 1846 by Bernard DeVoto
- Across the Wide Missouri by Bernard DeVoto
- The Course of Empire by Bernard DeVoto
- DeVoto’s West: History, Conservation, and the Public Good by Bernard DeVoto
- The Western Paradox: A Conservation Reader by Bernard DeVoto
- Rightful Heritage by Douglas Brinkley
- James Welch
- Blackfeet
- Killing Custer by James Welsch
- The Overstory by Richard Powers
- The Hour of Land by Terry Tempest Williams
- Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock
- Hayduke Lives! By Edward Abbey
- Louise Erdrich
- Toni Morrison
- Laila Lalami
- Phillip Roth
- Angle of Repose by Wallace Stegner
- Timothy Egan
- Hal Herring
- Podcast and Blast
- Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
- Mark Kenyon
- Jon PageThe Craft Brewery Cookbook by John Holl
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