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Darcy Chenoweth – Helping the Helpers

Darcy Chenoweth

Darcy Chenoweth is a Montana-based Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner whose career sits at the intersection of medicine, trauma recovery, and the outdoor world. Darcy works with individuals and organizationsโ€”especially those in high-stress helping professions such as first responders, healthcare workers, and other frontline rolesโ€”to address burnout, trauma exposure, and the long-term impacts of stress. Her work blends psychotherapy, medication management, and practical tools that help people metabolize the intense experiences that often come with caring for others.

Darcy grew up in Coloradoโ€™s Front Range mountains, and later moved north to Missoula for college, drawn largely by the pull of the northern Rockies and the culture of Montana. Over the years, her life has included living off-grid in western Montana, working as an ER nurse in a small critical-access hospital, teaching backcountry emergency medicine around the world, and maintaining a parallel life as an artist working in ceramics.

Those experiencesโ€”especially her years in emergency medicine and mountain environmentsโ€”shaped her understanding of how trauma and stress accumulate in people who dedicate their lives to helping others. Today, Darcyโ€™s practice focuses on helping those individuals build awareness, resilience, and sustainable ways of engaging with difficult work while maintaining healthy lives outside of it.

In this conversation, Darcy and I talk about the hidden drivers of burnout in helping professions, why community is essential for metabolizing trauma, and how modern lifeโ€”despite all its conveniencesโ€”often strips away the friction and connection that humans need to stay mentally healthy. We also discuss the role of nature, trust, and shared experience in healing, along with Darcyโ€™s work supporting mountain communities through organizations like Mountain Muskox, which helps people process grief and loss connected to accidents in the mountains.

Although much of Darcyโ€™s work focuses on first responders and other helping professionals, the ideas she shares in this conversation are relevant to anyone navigating stress, hardship, or big life transitions. Itโ€™s a wide-ranging discussion about how humans process difficulty and how we can build lives and communities that help us come out stronger on the other side.

Be sure to check out the episode notes for links to Darcyโ€™s practice, her work with Mountain Muskox, and several of the books and resources we discuss. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Darcy Chenoweth


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Topics Discussed:

  • 0:00 – Introducing Darcy Chenoweth and highlighting M&P supporters
  • 6:32 – Rollinsville, Colorado and skiing
  • 8:57 – Outdoors influence
  • 10:58 – Darcyโ€™s plan at 17
  • 12:39 – Adjusting to Montana
  • 15:00 – Western medicine forays
  • 17:47 – And a foray into ceramics and art
  • 20:00 – How a compassionate person compartmentalizesย 
  • 23:37 – What is burnout?
  • 28:49 – Darcyโ€™s practice
  • 32:17 – The value of community
  • 38:20 – Finding real meaning in the real world
  • 42:13 – Is action the anecdote?
  • 46:01 – Alcohol advice
  • 48:38 – And social media advice
  • 50:20 – The change that is being a mother
  • 52:50 – Mountain Muskox
  • 55:28 – Darcyโ€™s role models
  • 58:39 – Loss of structures
  • 1:02:12 – Book recs and parting words

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Our 10 Favorite Adventure Books, with Mark Kenyon

Mark Kenyon

Mark Kenyon is no stranger to Mountain & Prairie listenersโ€”heโ€™s the author of That Wild Country, host of the Wired to Hunt podcast, and the newly minted Director of Conservation at MeatEater. Heโ€™s also one of the most voracious readers I know.

Every few years, Mark and I record a special episode where we discuss our top 10 favorite books in a particular category. The first one was our top 10 conservation books, then we explored our top 10 books about the American Westโ€”you can find links to both of those episodes in the show notes.

For this episode, we decided to discuss our top 10 adventure booksโ€”a category that both Mark and I love and have spent decades reading. We each brought five books that have stayed with us. Some are classics. Some are newer. Some are brutal. Some are unexpectedly funny. All of them reveal something about the human drive to embrace discomfort and move toward the unknown rather than away from it.

Yes, Mark and I love reading adventure books for entertainment and enjoyment, but we also both try to extract lessons from these wild stories that can be applied to our own lives. Whether weโ€™re thinking about family, assessing risk, leadership, attitude, or simply not taking ourselves too seriously, there are important lessons to be learned from even the most outlandish adventures. So this conversation goes much deeper than a simple โ€œRead this book because itโ€™s goodโ€โ€”we discuss how these books have shaped us and how they continue to influence our thinking.

And if you like book recommendations, be sure to sign up for my bimonthly book recommendations email. For more than ten years, Iโ€™ve been sending one email every other month featuring books I recently read and highly recommend. The topics and genres are all over the placeโ€”and can admittedly be a little weirdโ€”but people seem to enjoy them, so I keep sending them. I just published my recommendations for January and February 2026, so you can sign up here if youโ€™re interested.

Thanks so much for listening!

Photos courtesy of Mark Kenyon


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  • 0:00 – Introducing Mark Kenyon and highlighting North Bridger Bison
  • 6:05 – Markโ€™s new role at MeatEater
  • 13:03 – Markโ€™s next book timeline
  • 18:28 – A new MeatEater podcast
  • 21:43 – Getting into the books, starting with a Doug Peacock classic
  • 28:17 – The first TR book Ed ever read
  • 35:30 – The layers of Teddy Roosevelt
  • 37:59 – Markโ€™s next pick, a more recent option
  • 42:21 – Edโ€™s up, with a cliche?
  • 47:55 – Bonus rec from Mark
  • 50:33 – American Buffalo
  • 1:03:03 – Navigating risk outdoors
  • 1:07:48 – Pivoting to lighter adventure books
  • 1:12:53 – An adventure book by a woman
  • 1:17:57 – Markโ€™s last choice and a caribou conversation
  • 1:26:35 – And Edโ€™s last choice, connecting with mountaineeringย 
  • 1:34:45 – Wrapping up

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Stella Maria Baer โ€“ Moons, Horses, and New Mexico Light

Stella Maria Baer in her studio

Stella Maria Baer is a Santa Feโ€“based painter whose work is deeply rooted in land, light, and place. Known for her luminous depictions of moons, desert skies, horses, and wide-open Southwestern landscapes, Stella often makes her own pigments by handโ€”grinding rocks, dirt, and minerals into paint that quite literally contains the places she portrays. In addition to her studio practice, she teaches intimate workshops on natural pigment painting for land-based artists on her New Mexico property, creating space for people to reconnect with their creativity, their hands, and the earth itself.

Stella grew up in New Mexico in a family of artistsโ€”her mother was a weaver, her grandfather a photographer, her grandmother a sculptorโ€”and spent summers on a Wyoming ranch that shaped her lifelong love of horses and open country. Though art was always around her, she initially pursued religion and philosophy, studying questions of desire, goodness, and the inherent value of land. Painting began not as a career move but as a private, prayerful practiceโ€”drawing birds in journals to quiet a busy mind. Over time, that contemplative discipline evolved into a full-time vocation, one that ultimately drew her back home to New Mexico after years on the East Coast, where she had found herself painting the desert from memory and longing.

In this conversation, we talk about that journeyโ€”from philosophy classrooms and sacred poetry to moon paintings and hand-ground pigments. Stella shares how critique shaped her work in unexpected ways, how motherhood has influenced both her art and her priorities, and the powerful story behind rescuing her horses from kill pensโ€”animals that now carry deep personal meaning connected to her late mother. We also discuss the importance of play, silence, and being a beginner in a screen-saturated world. Stella rarely does interviews, so Iโ€™m especially grateful for her willingness to sit down and speak so thoughtfully and authentically about her life and work. Itโ€™s a reflective conversation about creativity, land, faith, and following oneโ€™s unique artistic curiosity.

I feel like Stella and I only scratched the surface of her curiosity, land ethic, and artistic journey, so Iโ€™ll look forward to having her back for another conversation in the future. But for now, I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did.

Photos courtesy of Stella Maria Baer; the header image is a painting by Stella titled “The Year of the Fire Horse


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  • 0:00 – Intro and sponsor highlight
  • 7:50 – Stellaโ€™s origin story
  • 12:00 – Art in Stellaโ€™s childhood
  • 14:35 – Zoning in and drawing birds
  • 19:39 – Religion and philosophy degrees
  • 21:58 – Wendell Berry and the Bible
  • 25:07 – Responding to critiques
  • 27:42 – New Mexico love
  • 33:01 – Why moons?
  • 36:07 – Importance of play
  • 44:12 – How having kids changed things
  • 50:54 – Stellaโ€™s horses
  • 55:28 – Stellaโ€™s workshops
  • 1:02:08 – Book recs
  • 1:06:00 – Wrapping up

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A Joint Episode with The River Radius Podcast, featuring Sam Carter

Sam Carter

Todayโ€™s conversation is a joint episode between Mountain & Prairie and The River Radius podcast. Iโ€™m joined by Sam Carter, the creator and host of The River Radius.

If youโ€™re not already familiar with The River Radius, I give it my highest endorsement. Itโ€™s the most thoughtful and well-crafted show out there about rivers, water, and the people connected to them. Sam has built something genuinely special, and heโ€™s someone I consider both a friend and a collaborator. Iโ€™ve learned a great deal from the way he approaches storytelling, curiosity, and place.

For this episode, instead of a traditional interview, this is a two-way conversation in which Sam and I interview each otherโ€”one weโ€™re both releasing on our podcast feeds. Sam shared it on The River Radius feed earlier in January, and now Iโ€™m sharing it here. We talk about how our podcasts came to be, what keeps us curious after hundreds of episodes, and how rivers, landscapes, and long projects shape the way we think about life and work. We also get into writing, responsibility, attention, grief, ambition, and what it actually looks like to build something slowly and with intention. I think youโ€™ll enjoy it.

As always, be sure to check the episode notes for detailed timestamps and links to everything we discuss. And I strongly encourage you to find The River Radius on your favorite podcast player, explore the archives, and give it a listen. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Sam Carter


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  • 0:00 – Opening and sponsor highlight
  • 5:46 – Ed introducing himself to Sam Carter and vice versa
  • 9:19 – Why Sam started River Radius
  • 11:49 – People are listening
  • 16:36 – So โ€ฆ what is the Mountain & Prairie podcast?
  • 24:04 – What do Edโ€™s daughters think of his job?
  • 25:30 – How to make a podcast your full-time gig
  • 32:47 – 2025 highlights from Sam
  • 43:11 – Throughlines
  • 48:24 – How Edโ€™s changed the way he looks at the world
  • 51:36 – Edโ€™s 2025 highlights
  • 59:15 – Whatโ€™s the point of fly fishing?
  • 1:03:11 – Whatโ€™s in store for 2026?
  • 1:12:17 – Sam and Edโ€™s production strategies
  • 1:25:42 – Edโ€™s writing a book!
  • 1:30:12 – What is a river for Ed Roberson?
  • 1:33:56 – More questions for Ed from Samโ€™s listeners
  • 1:36:57 – And questions for Sam from Ed
  • 1:42:16 – Parting words

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Kelsey Morris Returns โ€“ Going All In on Art

Kelsey Morris

My guest today is Kelsey Morris, and this is her second time on the podcastโ€”which feels long-overdue, because a lot has happened since we last talked.

When Kelsey first joined me nearly five years ago, she was balancing a full-time job while building her art career on the side. Shortly after that conversation, she did something many creative people dream about and very few actually do: she quit her job, changed her phone number, and went all-in on her work as an artist. Since then, sheโ€™s built a deeply recognizable visual style, taken on major commissions, and quietly carved out a career that sits at the intersection of Western art, wildlife, and the modern outdoor world.

In this conversation, we pick up right where we left offโ€”talking about what it actually takes to make the leap into full-time creative work, how Kelsey thinks about balancing artistic curiosity with financial reality, and how discipline, professionalism, and showing up every day matter just as much as inspiration. We also talk about her evolving style, the pressure of deadlines, why some days the work just doesnโ€™t click, and how sheโ€™s learned when to push throughโ€”and when to walk away.

We also get into some big life changes: closing her gallery, preparing for motherhood, spending time at her off-grid cabin in Alaska, and a major upcoming milestoneโ€”being selected to paint the 2026 covers of Field & Stream, one of the most iconic names in outdoor media.

Kelsey is thoughtful, grounded, funny, and refreshingly honest about the realities of creative work. This is a conversation about art, ambition, patience, and building a life that actually fits the work you want to do.

I really loved catching up with herโ€”and I think you will too.

Photos courtesy of Kelsey Morris


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  • 0:00 – Introducing Kelsey Morris and sponsors
  • 5:55 – Intro and going all in on art
  • 10:42 – Marketing oneself
  • 13:06 – Space to explore
  • 15:57 – Individuality
  • 20:05 – How to pay the bills
  • 23:02 – Attention to detail
  • 26:22 – Deadline torture
  • 27:50 – The days when itโ€™s not easy
  • 32:40 – Milestones
  • 37:04 – Who Kelsey looks up to
  • 42:00 – The gallery
  • 45:02 – Parenting
  • 49:16 – The Alaska house
  • 55:13 – Field & Stream exclusive
  • 59:13 – Book recs
  • 1:02:45 – Wrapping up
  • 1:03:45 – Edโ€™s goodbye and thank yous

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Jason Gardner Returns โ€“ Fire, Leadership, and What Really Matters

Jason Gardner

Jason Gardner is a retired Navy SEAL who now works as a top-level leadership instructor with Echelon Front. Over his thirty-year career in the SEAL teams, he served in combat operations in Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, later becoming Command Master Chief of SEAL Team Five and Training Detachment. Since retiring from the Navy, Jason has worked with hundreds of organizations as a leadership instructor and strategic advisor, helping teams apply high-stakes leadership principles to business and life. He now lives in a remote corner of northeastern Washington with his wife, Iris, and their two children, where he spends his time working on their homestead and staying closely connected to the land.

This is Jasonโ€™s second time on the podcast, and Iโ€™d strongly recommend going back and listening to our first conversation from 2021, along with the episode I recorded with Iris. Those earlier interviews dig deeper into Jasonโ€™s career, his transition out of the military, and the longer arc of their familyโ€™s journeyโ€”context that adds real depth to what we talk about here.

This conversation unfolds in two parts. The first half hour or so is a firsthand account of the Hope Fire, a fast-moving wildfire that came dangerously close to destroying Jason and Irisโ€™s property and home last summer. Jason walks through the experience in detailโ€”what itโ€™s like to prepare for evacuation, to work through exhaustion and uncertainty, and to rely on firefighters, neighbors, and community when the stakes are painfully real.

In the second part, we widen the lens. Jason reflects on the lessons that emerged from the fireโ€”about leadership, humility, and responsibilityโ€”and connects them to his own personal evolution over the last several years. We talk about PTSD, quitting drinking, the role psychedelic-assisted therapy played in his healing, and how practices like mindfulness, curiosity, kindness, and gratitude have reshaped how he approaches both life and leadership. Itโ€™s an honest, grounded conversation about resilience, growth, and what it actually means to leadโ€ฆ starting with yourself.

As always, be sure to check out the episode notes below for a full list of everything we discussed, with timestamps for everything.  There are also links to all of the books and resources that Jason mentions. Enjoy!

Photos courtesy of Jason and Iris Gardner


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  • WILDFIRE
  • 7:01 โ€“ Intro, Jasonโ€™s brush with a wildfire
  • 11:45 โ€“ Fire jumping ridgelines
  • 14:05 โ€“ Enter USAA
  • 16:36 โ€“ Community power
  • 20:34 โ€“ Enter the brush hog
  • 25:26 โ€“ Day three mental state
  • 31:53 โ€“ A big damn deal
  • 35:09 โ€“ A sense of deep pride
  • LESSONS
  • 40:59 โ€“ Applying on-the-line lessons to the business world
  • 45:20 โ€“ The most important leadership trait
  • 50:47 โ€“ Challenge coins
  • 55:05 โ€“ A changed perspective
  • 1:01:24 โ€“ Dealing with cockiness
  • 1:05:30 โ€“ Jasonโ€™s mental health journey
  • 1:11:43 โ€“ Quitting drinking
  • 1:19:52 โ€“ Self-reflection
  • 1:21:34 โ€“ Echelon Front Muster
  • 1:27:06 โ€“ Book recs and wrapping up

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Todd Ulizio โ€“ Farming, Attention, and a Life Well Rooted

Todd Ulizio… and pups!

Todd Ulizio is the co-owner of Two Bear Farm, an organic vegetable farm in Whitefish, Montana, thatโ€™s quietly become a cornerstone of the Flathead Valleyโ€™s local food community. Alongside his wife Rebecca, Todd has spent nearly two decades growing food, building soil, and figuring out how to make a small, values-driven farm work in a world that doesnโ€™t always make it easy.

Toddโ€™s path to farming was anything but direct. He grew up in Connecticut and followed a traditional educational and career path, eventually becoming an accountant at a prestigious Big Six firm. Experiencing success but not fulfillment, he walked away from the business world to study wildlife biology and worked on projects ranging from brown bears in Alaska to wolverines in Montana. Over time, he began to see a common thread: most of the problems facing wildlife are really problems about how humans use landโ€”and food, he realized, is where people interact with land every single day.

In this conversation, Todd and I talk about that winding pathโ€”from accounting to wildlife biology to farmingโ€”and what itโ€™s taught him about work, burnout, stewardship, and attention. We get into the realities of small-scale farming, the pressures of building a business with your spouse, the health wake-up call that forced him to rethink everything, and the quieter, more grounded philosophy that now shapes his life and work. This is a thoughtful, honest conversation about choosing a meaningful path, learning to let go of what you canโ€™t control, and finding a way to stay rooted in a rapidly changing world.

Photos courtesy of Todd Ulizio and Two Bear Farm


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  • 0:00 – Exciting announcement
  • 2:33 – Intro
  • 4:14 – Patreon + Sponsors + Old Salt
  • 7:24 โ€“ Where Todd grew up
  • 11:38 โ€“ Todd as a kid
  • 13:07 โ€“ Off to college
  • 17:34 โ€“ Ditching accounting
  • 21:57 โ€“ How change felt
  • 24:18 โ€“ Post University of Montana to Alaska
  • 27:49 โ€“ Alaska takeaways
  • 31:36 โ€“ Choosing farming
  • 37:05 โ€“ What helped Todd make an impact
  • 40:08 โ€“ A relationship forged in fire
  • 43:32 โ€“ Doubts in the moment?
  • 47:39 โ€“ Food system frustrations and burnout
  • 52:43 โ€“ How to lighten up
  • 1:01:07 โ€“ Dexter cows
  • 1:02:34 โ€“ Always going and stillness
  • 1:09:02 โ€“ The farm
  • 1:14:56 โ€“ Whatโ€™s next
  • 1:18:06 โ€“ Wrapping up

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2025 Reads

A comprehensive list of every book I recommended in 2025, taken directly from myย bimonthly book recommendations emails.


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The Extinction of Experience: Being Human in a Disembodied World by Christine Rosen – Ever since watching the hoverboard scene in Back to the Future II, Iโ€™ve dreamed about the fun-filled technological wonders awaiting me at some distant point in the future. Unfortunately, after finishing this excellent-yet-alarming book, I realized that the tech future is already hereโ€“ and itโ€™s more Freddy Krueger than Marty McFly. Rosen argues that internet-based technology has seeped into almost every aspect of our lives, acting as an often-unnoticed โ€œmediator of experience.โ€ From online maps to endless digital photos to news to social media, these inescapable technologies change the way we experience reality, mostly for the worse. This is one of those books that supplied data and science to solidify the loose, uncomfortable ideas about technology already floating around in my head. She does not offer any actionable ideas about curbing technology usage, but she definitely increased my awareness (panic?) about the seriousness of the problem. [For actionable ideas, check out Cal Newportโ€™s Digital Minimalism.]

Delorme Atlas & Gazetteer: Colorado – From 2005 until about 2012, Delorme Gazetteers guided me all over the West, from the desolate canyons of Utah to the most remote campsites in Montana. I bought a new Colorado version as a direct result of Rosenโ€™s book above, mostly as a (probably silly) rejection of map apps. After it arrived, I found myself studying it intensely for long stretches of timeโ€“ exploring all of the memorable mountains and rivers and campsites that Iโ€™ve had the privilege of visiting over the years. I was reminded how much I LOVE paper mapsโ€“ the more detailed the better. I begrudgingly admit that I’ll rarely use it for driving, but I will definitely enjoy continuing to โ€œread itโ€ and share it with my girls. [For some fascinating insights into how different cultures have thought about mapping terrain, read The Sea People by Christina Thompson.]

Pain Donโ€™t Hurt: Meditations on Road House (Second Edition) by Sean T. Collins – Without question, this is the funniest book I have ever read. I cannot remember ever laughing so hard and for so long about anything, much less a book. Days and days of hysterical, tear-and-stomach-cramp inducing laughter. Itโ€™s a collection of 365 essays about the greatest movie of all time, penned during 2019, soon after Collins had the passing thought, โ€œI could write about Road House everyday for a year and never run out of things to say.โ€ He analyzes every detail of the movie (even scenes/characters Iโ€™d never considered), and even offers a few new-to-me, mind-blowing theories (Jimmy is Brad Wesleyโ€™s son?!). If you love Road House, you need to own this book. But you better act fast, because as of this moment, there are only 15 copies remaining of this limited edition run. [If youโ€™re wondering โ€œIs Ed referring to Swayze Road House or Gyllenhaal Road House?,โ€ please unsubscribe from this email right now.]

The Terminal List and True Believer by Jack Carr – Every so often, I pick up a book for nothing but pure fun and entertainment, just as I would watch such masterpieces as Rambo III, Commando, Predator, Red Dawn, and, of course, Road House. If you enjoy these types of films and also like to read the occasional novel, Jack Carr is your man. These are the first two titles in his James Reece series, which follow the revenge-fueled adventures of a former Navy SEAL with nothing to lose. These two books are nearly a combined 1,000 pages, and I cranked through them both in just a few days each. Pure action and fun and a perfect way to unplug from the real world for a while. Youโ€™ll see many more of these books in these emails, for sure. [On the far opposite end of the novel spectrum, Wendell Berryโ€™s Jayber Crow is still in the lead as the best novel Iโ€™ve ever read. (Also, in the history of humanity, have Dynamic Duo of Carr and Berry ever been recommended in the same paragraph?)]

Surviving Denali: A Study of Accidents on Mount McKinley 1903-1990 by Jonathan Waterman – This book had been sitting on my shelf for years, unread. I randomly picked it up last month and couldnโ€™t put it down. As the title explains, itโ€™s a deep dive into all of the chaos that has gone down on North Americaโ€™s highest peakโ€“ a landscape with a knack for breaking and/or freezing humans in a surprisingly wide variety of ways. The responsible version of myself would recommend that anyone interested in climbing the mountain should read this book first. On the other hand, Iโ€™m glad I didnโ€™t read it before my two Denali trips, because I likely wouldโ€™ve been too scared to actually set foot on the Kahiltna Glacier. But anyone who enjoys mountaineering literature and history will love this book. Itโ€™s the real dealโ€“ extremely well written, highly educational, and not at all sensational or dramatic. [Speaking of Denali, Iโ€™m almost done with Cassidy Randallโ€™s amazing new book Thirty Below: The Harrowing and Heroic Story of the First All-Women’s Ascent of Denali. Stay tuned for my full recommendationโ€ฆ and a podcast chat!]

American Flannel: How a Band of Entrepreneurs Are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home by Steven Kurutz – For the last few weeks, Iโ€™ve been going deep into the history of natural fiber (i.e., cotton, wool, and leather) production in the United States. Long story short, the fabric/clothing industry had long been a bedrock of the US economy, until policy changes in the 1990s forced most of the production overseas. The aftermath has been a total economic disaster for many communities near and dear to my heart, particularly the milltowns in my homestate of North Carolina and many of the farming/ranching communities that produced the raw materials. Thankfully, I didnโ€™t have to read a bunch of boring industry reports or academic papers to get my head around this subject. Instead, Kurutzโ€™s fun-to-read, relatively short narrative gave me a thorough education on the topic via a bunch of colorful, crazy, rebellious characters who are hellbent on making American-made clothing popular and profitable (again). If you love against-the-odds business stories plus in-depth history, check this one out. [Itโ€™s very far from the made-in-America ethos, but my favorite crazy-entrepreneur book isShoe Dog by Phil Knight.]
And three more great books written by equally great people:

  • The Deck, Stories From a Pandemic by Taylor and Cody Watts – While fully grown adults (like me) struggle for years with their own writing projects, Taylor and Cody (still in high school!) publish a remarkably insightful book about their familyโ€™s experience during the pandemic. Endorsed not just by me, but by people who actually know what they are doing, such as David James Duncan and Chris Dombrowski.
  • Good Hunting for Kids: Growing Up to Be the Best Hunter You Can Be by Allen Morris Jones – Ever since I brought home 150 pounds of elk meat for my family, my girls have been fascinated by hunting. So Iโ€™m thankful that my pal Allen Morris Jones applied his artistโ€™s mind to making the subject more understandable, approachable, and entertaining for curious, outdoor-loving kiddos like mine.
  • Echolocation by Sage Marshall – I continue to be poetry curious, but also continue to have no idea where to even start. Iโ€™m always happy when a gifted outdoor/conservation-focused writer like Sage publishes a collection of poetry, because I know itโ€™ll be just what I need to read. I loved this book and will revisit it for many years to come.

Lorne: The Man Who Invented Saturday Night Live by Susan Morrison – Most of my middle school weekends revolved around the same routine: Saturday evening, program the VCR to record channel 7 from 11:27 PM – 1:03 AM; Sunday morning, laugh hysterically at SNL skits, while pausing it whenever my parents walked through the room so they wouldnโ€™t hear the crass jokes and make me turn it off. The longer SNL has been on the air, the more Iโ€™ve been intrigued by Lorne Michaelsโ€“ how is it possible to keep a mainstream TV show edgy, funny, and relevant for decades on end? How can a person stay true to their creative vision and have big-time commercial successโ€ฆ without being considered a โ€œsellout?โ€ If youโ€™ve ever wondered these thingsโ€“ or just crave hilarious stories about Will Ferrellโ€“ this is your book. At 600+ pages, itโ€™s a big one, but I cranked through effortlessly. [My now-second-favorite SNL book is Live From New York: The Complete, Uncensored History of Saturday Night Live as Told by Its Stars, Writers, and Guests by Tom Shales. Itโ€™s worth reading the entire thing just for the part about Steven Seagal.]

Thirty Below: The Harrowing and Heroic Story of the First All-Womenโ€™s Ascent of Denali by Cassidy Randall – Up until Thirty Below, the only Denali-focused story Iโ€™d read that accurately captured the intensity and insanity of North Americaโ€™s highest peak was Jon Krakauerโ€™s Club Denali, which was published in Eiger Dreams. Not only did Thirty Below satiate my desire for more Denali-focused writing, but it filled in an embarrassing gap in my knowledge: The first all-womenโ€™s ascent in 1970. To me at least, 1970 doesnโ€™t seem like all that long ago, but the obstacles and archaic ideas that these women had to overcome to simply get to the glacier, much less climb the dang thing, were insane. In many ways, climbing the mountain was the easy partโ€“ dealing with all of the arrogant, patronizing blowhards who dismissed them was a feat of world-class endurance. Like any great writer, Cassidy combines meticulous research with engaging characters and top-notch writing, and, more importantly, she brings these long-overlooked women to the forefront of mountaineering history. [To learn about Cassidyโ€™s process for writing the book, check out our fun podcast conversation.]

Uplifted: The Evolution of a Climbing Life by Sonnie Trotter – So many mountain adventure memoirs are written by hardcore athletes who seem to be driven by some sort of darknessโ€“ an often anger-fueled desire to push beyond the edge to prove something either to themselves or their naysayers. In the world of rock climbing, Sonnie Trotter is about as hardcore as one can beโ€“ yet heโ€™s driven by gratitude, adventure for adventureโ€™s sake, and, dare I say, fun. I get a kick out of stories of brooding souls as much as the next guy, but it was so refreshing to read about a world-class athlete whoโ€™s driven by curiosity and optimism. As a bonus, the book is written in a refreshingly user-friendly styleโ€“ itโ€™s accessible to everyone, from veteran climbers to people like me, whose climbing career equals chaperoning their seven-year-old daughter at the climbing gym. You donโ€™t have to zoom out much to see that, at its core, Uplifted is a book about turning your passion into a vocationโ€“ a universal theme that most thoughtful people will connect with. [I chatted with Sonnie about the book, and he was just as friendly and humble in conversation as he is on the page.]

Savage Son by Jack Carr – This is the third book in Carrโ€™s James Reece series, and if I were forced to rank them, I would say Savage Son is my favorite so far. If you watch enough interviews with Carr, youโ€™ll realize pretty quickly that heโ€™s a PhD-level student of the thriller genre. Heโ€™s been reading them voraciously since he was a kid and now interviews many thriller authors on his podcast, so he knows what makes for a page turner. Combine his thriller obsession with the discipline he brings to the craft of writing, and you have a Tom Clancy-esque writing empire. Not bad for a guy who didnโ€™t start writing seriously until after retiring from a highly decorated 20-year career in the Navy. As many of yโ€™all know, I donโ€™t read much fiction, but Iโ€™ll be reading this entire series. [If youโ€™re interested in Carr’s writing process, these two videos (one and two) offer some actionable insights.]

The Farmerโ€™s Wife: My Life in Days by Helen Rebanks – An author friend of mine sent me Helenโ€™s book along with one simple endorsement: โ€œItโ€™ll knock your socks off.โ€ Well, it knocked them off so aggressively that I begged the team at the Old Salt Festival to fly Helen across the ocean so I could interview her on stage at this summerโ€™s event. While Iโ€™m not a farmer or a mother or a wife or much of a cook, I connected deeply with Helenโ€™s story. Through beautiful prose, she celebrates the โ€œmundaneโ€ parts of lifeโ€“ the chaos of raising children, the stress of trying to keep all the balls in the air, and the often futile attempts to find balance everything professionally, financially, and personally. You know, the regular stuff that actually makes up most of life. Even though, on the surface, our lives and careers are vastly different, I found great solace in Helenโ€™s approach to celebrating both the challenges and the joys of life, of embracing gratitude and giving others grace. When it comes to those ways of thinking, I need all the help I can get! [One-third of Nick Offermanโ€™s Where the Deer and the Antelope Play is devoted to his adventures with Helen and her husband James on their farm in the UK.]

Mark Twain by Ron Chernow – Like The Power Broker, this monster of a biography is taking me a very long time to read. But Iโ€™m far enough in to go ahead and give it my full-blown endorsement. Like so many legends of American history, Twain is a fascinating human to learn about, but if I could go back in time, I highly doubt Iโ€™d enjoy spending more than a few hours with him in person. I have the utmost respect for how he pulled himself out of poverty and staked his claim as a writer, humorist, and pundit, but, even with Chernowโ€™s masterful explanations, I cannot understand why a person would be so brash, pugilistic, and impulsive. Pick any larger-than-life figure, and the story is so often the same: The personality traits that make them successful are also the most self-destructive thorns in their sides. But thankfully, Iโ€™m not looking for a new best friend, Iโ€™m looking for a great storyโ€“ and Chernow nails it. Twain is so complex, ever-evolving, and hypocritical that it takes a full 1,000 pages to fully examine his wild life and personality. Iโ€™ll continue to happily chip away at this behemoth between more reasonably sized books. [My favorite book that demonstrates the light and dark sides of larger-than-life personalities is The Last American Man by Elizabeth Gilbert.]

A Worthy Expedition: The History of NOLS by Kate Dernocoeur – Back in 1999, I managed to talk my way into a semesterโ€™s worth of college credit in exchange for spending three months learning to climb, backpack, and sail around the Pacific Northwest with the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS). Founded by yet another larger-than-life character, Paul Petzoldt, NOLS unceremoniously began 60 summers ago in Wyomingโ€™s Wind River Range. Since then, it has evolved into the premier outdoor education and leadership school in the world. This book combines hardcore historical research with a fun-to-read writing style and is mandatory reading for anyone who values the outdoors and experiential education. Iโ€™m obviously biased, but I feel like this book should be prominently stocked in every REI and mom-and-pop outdoor store in the country. [Another NOLS book that holds a perpetual, armโ€™s-length spot on my desk is Wilderness Wisdom.]

The Swamp: The Everglades, Florida, and the Politics of Paradise by Michael Grunwald – I was browsing a local bookstore while visiting the Carolina coast, and this book caught my eye. Having never heard of it, I was instantly convinced to buy it by the glowing blurb from my all-time favorite Florida writer, Carl Hiassen: โ€œThe best thing Iโ€™ve ever read about the Everglades.โ€ I cannot overstate how much I enjoyed this book. In the style of Hampton Sides or David Grann, Grunwald takes dense, complex history and makes it read like a novel. Heโ€™s also surprisingly funny, which is quite an accomplishment when you consider how depressing the destruction of the Everglades has been. As much as Iโ€™m intrigued by Florida, what struck me most about this book was how our conquest of the Everglades seemed to become a blueprint for our conquests out West. From the tactics used to eliminate the Indigenous populations, to the obsession with making land โ€œproductive,โ€ to the eventual bone-headed development (i.e., destruction) of a fragile ecosystem, the history of the Everglades allowed me to better understand the history of many of our imperiled wild places. [Sara Dantโ€™s Losing Eden is my go-to for learning about the environmental history of the western U.S.]

Grasslands: Painting the American Prairie by James Prosek – James has built a legendary career on his process of becoming fully obsessed with a certain aspect of ecology, relentlessly exploring that idea through art and writing, then producing one-of-a-kind work that communicates his discoveries. Iโ€™ve recommended many of his books in these emails, with one of my favorites being Ocean Fishes. In this book, he turns his attention to grasslands and dives into not just specific species of the Great Plains, but into exploring the ideas of what concepts like โ€œnative speciesโ€ even mean. He combines his philosopherโ€™s mind with his artistโ€™s eye, drawing, painting, and sculpting artwork that will make you reconsider your relationship with the land next time you’re cruising through wide-open prairies.

Burn by Peter Heller – Back in the spring of 2019, I read Peter Hellerโ€™s The Dog Stars, which painted a way-too-vivid picture of life in Colorado after a global pandemic. I remember thinking, โ€œYeah, thatโ€™s pretty scary, but it could never happen.โ€ Then one year later, in the spring of 2020, we all know what happened. When I finished Burn, an excellent-but-terrifying story of a violent societal uprising followed by the governmentโ€™s brutal response, I thought, โ€œYeah, thatโ€™s scare and it could happen.โ€ But I guess the sign of a good novel is that it actually makes you feel something, and, now, every time I make the mistake of looking at internet โ€œnews,โ€ I think about Burn. As is the case with all of Hellerโ€™s novels, this one is action-packed, fast-paced, and full of memorable, flawed, complex characters. Itโ€™s a great read, and, for me at least, definitely worth the trade-off of a little extra anxiety. [If you want the opposite of anxiety, read Wendell Berryโ€™s Jayber Crow.]

The Way Out: A True Story of Survival in the Heart of the Rockies by Devon Oโ€™Neil – If you listen to my podcast, then youโ€™re already familiar with The Way Out. And if youโ€™re a fan of Krakauer’s Into the Wild or Into Thin Air, or Jungerโ€™s The Perfect Storm, then youโ€™ll love this book. Itโ€™s the story of a low-key backcountry ski trip gone horribly wrong, one epic survival story, one tragic death, and the tight-knit mountain community that has to come to grips with heartbreak and loss. This book is especially important for those of us who are drawn to adventure in wild placesโ€“and especially those of us who try to explain away the inherent risk that comes with spending time in potentially deadly environments. Devon was the perfect person to tell this storyโ€“the compassion and empathy he brings to his reporting is obvious, and his commitment to telling the story completely and fairly is a case study in responsible journalism. A very important book. [If you havenโ€™t already, check out my conversation with Devon.]

Simple Fly Fishing and Pheasant Tail Simplicity by Yvon Chouinard, Craig Mathews, and Mauro Mazza – These two books (and the next one below) fall into the category of โ€œYou might think this is a book about X, but itโ€™s actually about Y.โ€ On the surface, these books seem to be about how to become a better fly fishermanโ€“but not through buying a truckload of expensive gear or filling your vest with 2,000 fancy-looking flies. The authors, who are all more accomplished anglers than at least 99.99% of the people reading this email, insist that the secret to mastering the art of fly fishing is to SIMPLIFY. In the case of Simple Fly Fishing, throw away your reel. In the case of Pheasant Tail Simplicity, use only one type of fly. By applying constraints, embracing curiosity, and reducing the process to its purest essence, one can finally begin the journey of becoming a master. And whaddaya know, this idea of embracing simplicity can also be applied to all parts of our lives: from work to play, creative endeavors to interpersonal relationships. As society becomes increasingly complicated, the idea of simplification becomes increasingly attractive. [I had the great pleasure of chatting with Yvon Chouinard about simplicity in fishing and lifeโ€“full of laughs, full of wisdom.]

Little Woodchucks: Offerman Woodshopโ€™s Guide to Tools and Tomfoolery by Nick Offerman with Lee Buchanan – On the surface, this is a fun, funny, photo-filled instruction manual for teaching kids how to build things from wood, by hand. Nick covers everything from choosing your tools, to setting up your workspace, to completing 12 different projects, including a box kite, a little free library, and a toy truck. Itโ€™s real funโ€“the kind of rewarding undertaking that lets children use their brains, learn a skill, and create a real-world, tactile object that they can hold in their hands. But when you dig a little deeper, Little Woodchucks is about rejecting the brain-rotting pull of the internet, shunning the hypnotic pull of social media, and working alongside like-minded people to create useful, pride-inducing keepsakes. In my humble opinion, no matter our age, we will probably all benefit from a little less swiping and more real-world craftsmanship. (If youโ€™re a bigger woodchuck whoโ€™s looking for more advanced projects and fun/wise Offerman-esque philosophy, check out Nickโ€™s Good Clean Fun.]

Dirtbag Billionaire: How Yvon Chouinard Built Patagonia, Made a Fortune, and Gave It All Away by David Gelles – Even though Iโ€™d spent the past 20 years reading and watching pretty much everything about Yvon Chouinard and Patagonia, I learned a ton from this biography. Gelles is an accomplished New York Times journalist who, after ripping Jack Welch to shreds, turned his attention to Chouinard. (Spoiler alert: He seems to admire Yvon a lot more than Jack.) Gelles chronicles Chouinardโ€™s life from rambunctious youngster to climbing icon to business innovator to super philanthropist who, in 2022, gave his multi-billion-dollar company away. While I loved the insights into Chouinardโ€™s personality and vision, I especially enjoyed learning more about his colleagues and teammates who played invaluable roles in Patagoniaโ€™s success, particularly Kris Tompkins. Gelles paints a fair picture of the entire Patagonia enterprise, exploring the contradictions and paradoxes of building a high-impact consumer goods company that is also real-deal committed to making the world a better place. A good reminder that nothing is straightforward, everything is nuanced, and the most interesting people are complex. [The ethos of Nike founder Phil Knight couldnโ€™t be further from Yvonโ€™s, but Knightโ€™s memoir Shoe Dog is one of my all-time favorite business memoirs.]

Apple in China: The Capture of the World’s Greatest Company by Patrick McGee – Back when I was in business school, my least favorite subject, hands down, was operations. Endless yammering about factories, assembly lines, โ€œlean manufacturing,โ€ โ€œSix Sigma black belts,โ€ and a bunch of other lingo that my brain seemed violently allergic to. So I was quite surprised to find myself completely engrossed by a 400+-page book about the global supply chain that produces iPhones. But seriouslyโ€ฆ it was fascinating. And at timesโ€ฆ infuriating. The quick summary is that a small number of Chinese manufacturers patiently and ingeniously built a system that all but forced Apple to not only hire them to assemble its products, but also to build its factories, train its workers, and inject billions and billions of dollars of economic stimulus into the Chinese economy. And over the course of three or four decades, China grew into the economic and political powerhouse that it is today. Now that itโ€™s finished helping China, perhaps Apple can figure out a way to inject a few hundred billion into its home countryโ€™s public schools and/or healthcare system. [Another head-spinning business book that I think of often is When McKinsey Comes to Town by Walt Bogdanich and Michael Forsythe.]

The Devilโ€™s Hand by Jack Carr – You have probably noticed that Jack Carr novels have a seemingly permanent position in my book recommendations. This will continue until I have read them all. They’re not for everyone, but if you like movies like (or YouTube clips from) Rambo, Commando, Man on Fire, Taken, John Wick, The Equalizer, Bourne Identity, etc., I can guarantee youโ€™ll love these books. [For a thoroughly hilarious take on the best of this type of movie, read Pain Donโ€™t Hurt: 365 Meditations on Road House by Sean T. Collins. Itโ€™s a masterpiece.]

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Sammy Matsaw Jr. โ€“ Salmon, Sovereignty, and the Long Work of Healing

Sammy Matsaw Jr. and his wife Jessica

Sammy Matsaw Jr. is the Director of the Columbia Basin Program at The Nature Conservancy, where he works at the intersection of salmon recovery, tribal sovereignty, and large-scale river restoration across one of the most complex watersheds in North America. In this role, Sammy helps guide conservation strategies that span state lines, political boundaries, and cultural historiesโ€”while keeping people, relationships, and responsibility at the center of the work.

Sammy grew up on the Shoshone-Bannock Reservation, surrounded by salmon stories, land-based learning, and a deep sense of responsibility to place. He served in the U.S. military, including combat deployments overseas, before returning home to heal, reconnect, and rebuildโ€”eventually earning advanced degrees in ecology, policy, and conservation science. Along the way, heโ€™s navigated life as a soldier, scientist, ceremonial practitioner, husband, father, and now grandfather, carrying Indigenous knowledge forward while engaging directly with Western institutions and systems.

In this conversation, we talk about salmon restoration as a healing journeyโ€”not just for rivers, but for communities and cultures shaped by loss, displacement, and change. We dig into Indigenous knowledge alongside Western science, the role of humility and trust in conservation, and why Sammy believes real progress only happens through relationships and long-term commitment. We also explore his vision for the Columbia Basin, his leadership inside TNC, and what it means to show upโ€”day after dayโ€”with curiosity, care, and what he calls โ€œbarefoot trust-building.โ€

This is a thoughtful, hopeful, and vulnerable conversation, and I greatly appreciate Sammy taking the time to chat with me.  I hope you enjoy.

Photos courtesy of TNC: header ยฉ Ben Herndon, inset courtesy of River Newe


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  • 3:00 – Intro, where and how Sammy grew up
  • 10:03 – Sammyโ€™s decision to join the militaryย 
  • 15:34 – Readjusting to home
  • 20:48 – What helps heal
  • 24:58 – Sammyโ€™s academic journey
  • 32:12 – Salmon work
  • 39:09 – Entry into TNC
  • 43:55 – Salmon restoration as a healing journey
  • 50:09 – Layers of the job
  • 57:31 – Book recs
  • 1:01:18 – Wrapping up

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Edโ€™s Appearance on โ€œMy Favorite Thingsโ€

Todayโ€™s episode is a bit of a departure from the usual format: Iโ€™m re-sharing a recent conversation I had on my friend Brendan Leonardโ€™s new podcast, My Favorite Things. Iโ€™m sure most of yall are already familiar with Brendanโ€™s work, but for those of you who arenโ€™t, heโ€™s an author, illustrator, filmmaker, and creator of Semi-Rad.ย 

Brendanโ€™s new podcast is built around a simple but fascinating premise: conversations about the books, films, art, and creative works that have helped shape a personโ€™s life and career.

In this conversation, we spend less time on what I do, and more time on whatโ€™s influenced how I think and live โ€” from Theodore Roosevelt and Sebastian Junger to a Winslow Homer painting and a movie thatโ€™s been oddly entertaining and instructive over the years. (I bet yโ€™all can guess the movie.)

There are already several excellent episodes live featuring thoughtful, interesting people, and Brendan has created something both entertaining and instructive with this podcast. If you enjoy this conversation, Iโ€™d encourage you to subscribe, explore the rest of the episodes, and share the show with any of your friends who might enjoy it.Thanks so much for listening and hereโ€™s my appearance on My Favorite Things.

Ed’s Favorite Things:



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  • 2:10: Background โ€” Mountain & Prairie, family, and the โ€œstrenuous lifeโ€
  • 5:00: Favorite Thing #1 โ€” Jimmy Buffett liner notes
  • 11:30: Favorite Thing #2 โ€” The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt
  • 20:00: Favorite Thing #3 โ€” Winslow Homerโ€™s The Gulf Stream
  • 28:15: Favorite Thing #4 โ€” Tribe by Sebastian Junger
  • 39:30: Favorite Thing #5 โ€” Road House
  • 52:15: Closing reflections


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    Mike Schaedel – Restoring Balance to Fire-Adapted Landscapes

    A controlled burn in Montana.

    Mike Schaedel is the Western Montana Forest Restoration Director for The Nature Conservancy, where he leads some of the most ambitious and collaborative forest restoration work happening anywhere in the West. Based in Missoula, Mike works at the intersection of science, community partnerships, and land stewardshipโ€”helping restore fire-adapted forests, reduce wildfire risk, and improve the health and resilience of landscapes across the region.

    Mikeโ€™s career path is super interesting and anything but traditional. He grew up in Portland, fell in love with the mountains through rock climbing, and eventually landed in Missoula, where the combination of wild landscapes and a rich literary community drew him in. After earning an undergraduate degree in creative writing, he found his way into forestry and fire ecology through conservation corps work, hands-on restoration experience, and a graduate program focused on forest dynamics and fire.

    In this conversation, Mike offers a clear overview of how Western Montanaโ€™s forests came to look the way they do todayโ€”shaped by millennia of tribal burning, transformed by railroad-era land grants and industrial logging, and altered further by a century of fire suppression. He explains why effective restoration now depends on combining mechanical thinning with prescribed fire and on working across ownership boundaries with partners ranging from local communities to tribes and federal agencies. We also discuss some of the innovative collaborative efforts underway in the region, as well as a memorable story of a prescribed burn that came together through quick problem-solving and deep trust.

    This is a rich, informative, and hopeful conversation about what it takes to restore forests at scaleโ€”and why the future of these landscapes depends on both ecological understanding and strong community partnerships. Enjoy!

    Photos courtesy of TNC: header ยฉ Steven Gnam, inset ยฉ Jeremy Roberts


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

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    • 3:02 โ€“ Intro, Mikeโ€™s love for Missoula
    • 6:04 โ€“ Getting a creative writing degree
    • 8:21 โ€“ And fighting back into forestry
    • 12:26 โ€“ Early writing influences
    • 13:39 โ€“ Switching sides of the brain
    • 15:32 โ€“ First job out of grad school
    • 20:08 โ€“ And that work now
    • 23:38 โ€“ Checkerboard landownership
    • 33:04 โ€“ Conservation accomplishment
    • 34:56 โ€“ Fitting in forest health
    • 39:33 โ€“ Fire scars
    • 45:52 โ€“ The Big Burn
    • 52:59 โ€“ Fire playing a beneficial role
    • 58:51 โ€“ And the role mill workers play
    • 1:02:03 โ€“ Projects down the pipeline
    • 1:12:00 โ€“ Book recs
    • 1:13:49 โ€“ Parting words

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    SHED SESH: September & October 2025 Book Recommendations

    This month marks ten full years of my Bimonthly Book Recommendationsโ€”a decade of weird little paragraphs about the books that grab my scattered attention. Whether youโ€™ve been here since the beginning or signed up five minutes ago, thank you. Iโ€™m still baffled anyone reads these things, but Iโ€™m grateful all the same.

    To mark the occasion, I recorded a late-night solo episode from The Shed, diving deeper into each of my September & October picks: why I chose them, what stayed with me, and the sometimes-unexpected lessons I gleaned from each of them. Or you could just describe it as a guy sitting in his garden shed talking to himself. Your choice.

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    Books Discussed:

    • 00:00 โ€” Intro + 10 years of book-rec emails
    • 05:45 โ€” Burn by Peter Heller
    • 11:00 โ€” Jayber Crow by Wendell Berry (related rec)
    • 11:45 โ€” The Way Out by Devon Oโ€™Neil
    • 17:10 โ€” Simple Fly Fishing by Yvon Chouinard
    • 21:50 โ€” Pheasant Tail Simplicity by Yvon Chouinard
    • 25:40 โ€” Little Woodchucks by Nick Offerman
    • 29:20 โ€” Dirtbag Billionaire by David Gelles
    • 35:00 โ€” Shoe Dog by Phil Knight (related rec)
    • 35:55 โ€” Apple in China by Patrick McGee
    • 40:45 โ€” When McKinsey Comes to Town (related rec)
    • 42:10 โ€” The Devilโ€™s Hand by Jack Carr
    • 46:15 โ€” Closing thoughts + how the book list began

    The Book Recommendations:

    Burn by Peter Heller – Back in the spring of 2019, I read Peter Hellerโ€™s The Dog Stars, which painted a way-too-vivid picture of life in Colorado after a global pandemic. I remember thinking, โ€œYeah, thatโ€™s pretty scary, but it could never happen.โ€ Then one year later, in the spring of 2020, we all know what happened. When I finished Burn, an excellent-but-terrifying story of a violent societal uprising followed by the governmentโ€™s brutal response, I thought, โ€œYeah, thatโ€™s scare and it could happen.โ€ But I guess the sign of a good novel is that it actually makes you feel something, and, now, every time I make the mistake of looking at internet โ€œnews,โ€ I think about Burn. As is the case with all of Hellerโ€™s novels, this one is action-packed, fast-paced, and full of memorable, flawed, complex characters. Itโ€™s a great read, and, for me at least, definitely worth the trade-off of a little extra anxiety. [If you want the opposite of anxiety, read Wendell Berryโ€™s Jayber Crow.]

    The Way Out: A True Story of Survival in the Heart of the Rockies by Devon Oโ€™Neil – If you listen to my podcast, then youโ€™re already familiar with The Way Out. And if youโ€™re a fan of Krakauer’s Into the Wild or Into Thin Air, or Jungerโ€™s The Perfect Storm, then youโ€™ll love this book. Itโ€™s the story of a low-key backcountry ski trip gone horribly wrong, one epic survival story, one tragic death, and the tight-knit mountain community that has to come to grips with heartbreak and loss. This book is especially important for those of us who are drawn to adventure in wild placesโ€“and especially those of us who try to explain away the inherent risk that comes with spending time in potentially deadly environments. Devon was the perfect person to tell this storyโ€“the compassion and empathy he brings to his reporting is obvious, and his commitment to telling the story completely and fairly is a case study in responsible journalism. A very important book. [If you havenโ€™t already, check out my conversation with Devon.]

    Simple Fly Fishing and Pheasant Tail Simplicity by Yvon Chouinard, Craig Mathews, and Mauro Mazza – These two books (and the next one below) fall into the category of โ€œYou might think this is a book about X, but itโ€™s actually about Y.โ€ On the surface, these books seem to be about how to become a better fly fishermanโ€“but not through buying a truckload of expensive gear or filling your vest with 2,000 fancy-looking flies. The authors, who are all more accomplished anglers than at least 99.99% of the people reading this email, insist that the secret to mastering the art of fly fishing is to SIMPLIFY. In the case of Simple Fly Fishing, throw away your reel. In the case of Pheasant Tail Simplicity, use only one type of fly. By applying constraints, embracing curiosity, and reducing the process to its purest essence, one can finally begin the journey of becoming a master. And whaddaya know, this idea of embracing simplicity can also be applied to all parts of our lives: from work to play, creative endeavors to interpersonal relationships. As society becomes increasingly complicated, the idea of simplification becomes increasingly attractive. [I had the great pleasure of chatting with Yvon Chouinard about simplicity in fishing and lifeโ€“full of laughs, full of wisdom.]

    Little Woodchucks: Offerman Woodshopโ€™s Guide to Tools and Tomfoolery by Nick Offerman with Lee Buchanan – On the surface, this is a fun, funny, photo-filled instruction manual for teaching kids how to build things from wood, by hand. Nick covers everything from choosing your tools, to setting up your workspace, to completing 12 different projects, including a box kite, a little free library, and a toy truck. Itโ€™s real funโ€“the kind of rewarding undertaking that lets children use their brains, learn a skill, and create a real-world, tactile object that they can hold in their hands. But when you dig a little deeper, Little Woodchucks is about rejecting the brain-rotting pull of the internet, shunning the hypnotic pull of social media, and working alongside like-minded people to create useful, pride-inducing keepsakes. In my humble opinion, no matter our age, we will probably all benefit from a little less swiping and more real-world craftsmanship. (If youโ€™re a bigger woodchuck whoโ€™s looking for more advanced projects and fun/wise Offerman-esque philosophy, check out Nickโ€™s Good Clean Fun.]

    Dirtbag Billionaire: How Yvon Chouinard Built Patagonia, Made a Fortune, and Gave It All Away by David Gelles – Even though Iโ€™d spent the past 20 years reading and watching pretty much everything about Yvon Chouinard and Patagonia, I learned a ton from this biography. Gelles is an accomplished New York Times journalist who, after ripping Jack Welch to shreds, turned his attention to Chouinard. (Spoiler alert: He seems to admire Yvon a lot more than Jack.) Gelles chronicles Chouinardโ€™s life from rambunctious youngster to climbing icon to business innovator to super philanthropist who, in 2022, gave his multi-billion-dollar company away. While I loved the insights into Chouinardโ€™s personality and vision, I especially enjoyed learning more about his colleagues and teammates who played invaluable roles in Patagoniaโ€™s success, particularly Kris Tompkins. Gelles paints a fair picture of the entire Patagonia enterprise, exploring the contradictions and paradoxes of building a high-impact consumer goods company that is also real-deal committed to making the world a better place. A good reminder that nothing is straightforward, everything is nuanced, and the most interesting people are complex. [The ethos of Nike founder Phil Knight couldnโ€™t be further from Yvonโ€™s, but Knightโ€™s memoir Shoe Dog is one of my all-time favorite business memoirs.]

    Apple in China: The Capture of the World’s Greatest Company by Patrick McGee – Back when I was in business school, my least favorite subject, hands down, was operations. Endless yammering about factories, assembly lines, โ€œlean manufacturing,โ€ โ€œSix Sigma black belts,โ€ and a bunch of other lingo that my brain seemed violently allergic to. So I was quite surprised to find myself completely engrossed by a 400+-page book about the global supply chain that produces iPhones. But seriouslyโ€ฆ it was fascinating. And at timesโ€ฆ infuriating. The quick summary is that a small number of Chinese manufacturers patiently and ingeniously built a system that all but forced Apple to not only hire them to assemble its products, but also to build its factories, train its workers, and inject billions and billions of dollars of economic stimulus into the Chinese economy. And over the course of three or four decades, China grew into the economic and political powerhouse that it is today. Now that itโ€™s finished helping China, perhaps Apple can figure out a way to inject a few hundred billion into its home countryโ€™s public schools and/or healthcare system. [Another head-spinning business book that I think of often is When McKinsey Comes to Town by Walt Bogdanich and Michael Forsythe.]

    The Devilโ€™s Hand by Jack Carr – You have probably noticed that Jack Carr novels have a seemingly permanent position in my book recommendations. This will continue until I have read them all. They’re not for everyone, but if you like movies like (or YouTube clips from) Rambo, Commando, Man on Fire, Taken, John Wick, The Equalizer, Bourne Identity, etc., I can guarantee youโ€™ll love these books. [For a thoroughly hilarious take on the best of this type of movie, read Pain Donโ€™t Hurt: 365 Meditations on Road House by Sean T. Collins. Itโ€™s a masterpiece.]



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    Devon Oโ€™Neil โ€” On Natureโ€™s Power and the Price of Adventure

    Devon O’Neil

    Devon Oโ€™Neil is a journalist, author, and longtime friend of mine whose new book The Way Out: A True Story of Survival in the Heart of the Rockies is one of the best pieces of outdoor nonfiction Iโ€™ve read in years. The book tells the harrowing true story of a backcountry ski trip near Leadville, Colorado, that turned tragicโ€”and the years-long process of understanding what really happened, and how a mountain town wrestled with loss, resilience, and the complicated relationship we all have with risk and wild places. Itโ€™s gripping, deeply reported, and beautifully writtenโ€”equal parts survival epic, community portrait, and meditation on how we find meaning in the aftermath of tragedy.

    Devon has spent more than two decades as a writer and reporter based in Summit County, Colorado, covering everything from adventure sports and avalanches to the cultural and emotional undercurrents of life in mountain towns. Before turning his attention to this book project, he worked in newspapers, wrote for Outside, Menโ€™s Journal, and ESPN.com, and somehow managed to balance all of that with being a hardcore athlete and a dedicated dad and husband. Heโ€™s one of those rare writers whose empathy and endurance match the people that he writes about.

    In this conversation, Devon and I dig into the story behind The Way Outโ€”how he first heard about the tragedy, earned the trust of a close-knit community, and spent years piecing together a complete and compassionate account. We talk about the ethical tightrope of telling other peopleโ€™s hardest stories, how his own brushes with danger shaped his perspective on risk, and what this project taught him about the fine line between adventure and recklessness. We also get into his childhood growing up on a sailboat in the Virgin Islands, his evolution as a journalist and athlete, and the hard-earned wisdom that comes from spending a lifetime chasing stories in the mountains.

    The Way Out is available now wherever you get your books, so follow the links here to grab your copy. Big thanks to Devon for the chat, and thank you for listening. Enjoy!


    Photos courtesy of Devon O’Neil


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    • 2:23 โ€“ Intro and finding The Way Out story
    • 6:59 โ€“ Making people comfortable
    • 11:10 โ€“ The story in Devonโ€™s words
    • 16:29 โ€“ Mountain town people
    • 20:48 โ€“ Lifestyle overlaps
    • 24:20 โ€“ Devonโ€™s own accidents
    • 30:10 โ€“ Itโ€™s all great until someone gets hurt
    • 33:03 โ€“ The bonds of risk
    • 35:18 โ€“ Adjustments
    • 39:22 โ€“ Growing up on islands
    • 43:43 โ€“ How Devon got to Colorado
    • 47:34 โ€“ Pros and cons of different types of writing
    • 51:22 โ€“ Book writing advice
    • 55:42 โ€“ Not just about getting it right
    • 1:00:09 โ€“ Book and writer recs

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    Carli Kierstead โ€“ Wyoming Forests and the Work of Keeping Water Flowing

    Carli Kierstead

    Carli Kierstead is the Forest Program Director for The Nature Conservancy in Wyoming, where she leads efforts to understand and restore some of the Westโ€™s most criticalโ€”and often overlookedโ€”ecosystems. From beetle kill and wildfire to drought, Wyomingโ€™s forests face a range of challenges that ripple far beyond the stateโ€™s borders. These high-country forests are the headwaters of several major river basins, providing water to millions of people across the American West.

    In this conversation, Carli and I dig into the past, present, and future of Western forestsโ€”how management philosophies have evolved over the decades, whatโ€™s threatening their health today, and what can be done to make them more resilient in a changing climate. We talk about her teamโ€™s groundbreaking work using snowtographyโ€”a deceptively simple but powerful way to study how forest structure affects snowpack and water supplyโ€”and how those findings could help guide future restoration across the Colorado River Basin.

    Carli also shares her personal journey from growing up in San Diego to finding her calling in Wyomingโ€™s wide-open landscapes, her insights on collaboration and trust-building in conservation, and a few book recommendations that shaped her path. Itโ€™s a hopeful, science-grounded conversation about water, forests, and how collaboration can shape a more resilient future for the West.

    Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy!

    Both photos by Drew Bennett Photo, courtesy of TNC


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

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    • 2:34 โ€“ Intro and Wyoming forest health
    • 7:16 โ€“ Beetle issues
    • 8:30 โ€“ Why forest health?
    • 12:35 โ€“ Economic benefit of forests
    • 16:28 โ€“ Wyomingโ€™s claim to water
    • 17:10 โ€“ Snowtography
    • 23:18 โ€“ Lessons from the snow
    • 27:33 โ€“ On the ground impact
    • 33:53 โ€“ How it scales
    • 40:42 โ€“ Relationship building
    • 46:08 โ€“ The tendrils of the Colorado River Basin
    • 46:46 โ€“ Carliโ€™s environment obsession
    • 52:01 โ€“ How to build a relationship
    • 55:10 โ€“ Book recs
    • 58:38 โ€“ Last thoughts

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    Bex Frucht โ€” Story Wrangler! Vibe Steward! One of a Kind!

    Bex Frucht

    Bex Frucht is a force of natureโ€”a storyteller and community builder whose work blends performance, land, and small-town life in the American West. Based in Livingston, Montana, sheโ€™s the founder of TMI Live, a storytelling series that celebrates vulnerability, humor, and human connection, and for the past three years, sheโ€™s been the โ€œvibe stewardโ€ of the Old Salt Festival, where her talent for bringing people together has become legendary. Whether sheโ€™s hosting a show, coaching storytellers, or emceeing a fundraiser, Bex radiates generosity, intelligence, and positivity in a way that elevates every room sheโ€™s in.

    Like so many of my favorite people, her career path is as winding as it is fascinating: a Morehead-Cain Scholar at UNC Chapel Hill, she spent her early years in media and entertainment in New York and Los Angeles, then pivoted to environmental work before landing on a ranch in Colorado to learn about land stewardship from the ground up. Those years on the prairie, combined with her creative life in cities and her Southern roots, helped hone her rare ability to connect seemingly opposite worldsโ€”artists and ranchers, movie stars and cowboys, locals and newcomersโ€”through the shared power of story.

    In this conversation recorded at her home in Livingston, we trace her inspiring journey and talk about the lessons sheโ€™s learned along the way: what it means to find your authentic voice, how storytelling can build bridges across divides, and why embracing your weirdness can be the key to a meaningful life. Itโ€™s a funny, authentic conversation thatโ€™s as instructive as it is entertaining. For anyone whoโ€™s ever wondered how to forge their own path, live creatively, and stay grounded in community, this episode is for you.  

    Be sure to check out the episode notes below for a full list of all the topics we discussed and links to everything. And give Bex a follow on Instagram to stay in the loop about her upcoming storytelling shows and appearances in Montana and beyond.

    A big thanks to Bex for her friendship, encouragement, inspiration, and this conversation. And thank you for listening.


    Header photo by the great Kyle Joe Turner, inset courtesy of the Old Salt Festival


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    • 2:29 – Intro, where Bex grew up and how she got West
    • 10:40 – Grade stress
    • 14:21 – Being yourself so others can be themselves
    • 16:11 – How Bex changed after college
    • 24:11 – Lawyer land ethic to MTV
    • 27:27 – NYC love
    • 28:32 – LA freelancing and leaving MTV
    • 32:49 – Live storytelling
    • 37:24 – Oversharing is caring
    • 42:54 – Starting with the person and Bexโ€™s views on food systems
    • 47:31 – Itโ€™s all messy
    • 54:19 – Lessons from the ranch
    • 1:00:44 – Vibe steward
    • 1:03:52 – Bexโ€™s job in Livingston
    • 1:10:11 – Creatives and cowboys
    • 1:19:30 – Relationship currency
    • 1:24:39 – Valuing creatives
    • 1:27:57 – Book recs

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    Yvon Chouinard โ€“ The Perpetual Pursuit of Simplicity

    Ed & Yvon, just after recording at Montana State University. (Photo: Stephanie Ridge)

    Yvon Chouinard needs no introduction. The founder of Patagonia, pioneer of clean climbing, co-founder of 1% for the Planet, and lifelong advocate for simplicity and wildness, heโ€™s one of the worldโ€™s most influential environmental leaders. Now in his mid-80s, Yvon continues to live, work, and fish by the same principles that have guided him since his dirtbag climbing days: live simply, take responsibility for your impact, and keep finding meaning through deep, direct engagement with nature.

    His newest book, Pheasant Tail Simplicity: Recipes and Techniques for Successful Fly Fishing, distills those philosophies into one of his lifelong passionsโ€”fly fishing. Co-authored with his longtime fishing buddies Craig Mathews and Mauro Mazzo, Pheasant Tail Simplicity begins as a guide to tying and fishing with only pheasant-tail flies, and becomes a case study in creativity, restraint, and how simplifying our pursuits can reconnect us to what really matters. You donโ€™t have to be a hardcore angler to glean important lessons from the bookโ€”its insights can be applied to almost any part of life.

    In this conversation, Yvon and I start out talking about fly fishing, of courseโ€”but we quickly veer into broader terrain: how constraints can become a path to freedom, how business can be a demonstration of ethics, and how pessimism can serve as a productive form of realism. He shares a ton of amazing storiesโ€”learning to fish with a tenkara master in Italy, teaching Crow Reservation children to fly fish, founding 1% for the Planet, why rebellious personalities make the best entrepreneurs, his love of regenerative agriculture, and why he still believes that actionโ€”no matter how smallโ€”is the cure for depression. Itโ€™s a wide-ranging, funny, and wise discussion with someone whoโ€™s spent a lifetime proving that the process is far more important than the outcome.

    During our conversation, youโ€™ll hear us reference several of Patagoniaโ€™s pioneersโ€”Kris Tompkins, Rick Ridgeway, and Vincent Stanleyโ€”all of whom Iโ€™ve interviewed here on Mountain & Prairie. If youโ€™d like to listen to those episodes or check out their books, click the links above.

    A huge thank-you to Patagonia, Patagonia Books, Patagonia Fly Fishing, and of course Yvon for the opportunity to have this conversation. Like many of you listeners, Iโ€™ve been deeply influenced by Yvonโ€™s work and worldview, so it was a dream come true to sit down with him for a long, relaxed conversation.

    Be sure to check out Pheasant Tail Simplicity and the many other excellent titles from Patagonia Books. Thanks so much for listeningโ€”I hope you enjoy.


    Photos courtesy of Patagonia: Header by Rich Crowder, inset by Stephanie Ridge


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    • 2:50 – Intro, the blind fisherman in Labrador
    • 5:37 – Why another book about flyfishing?
    • 8:26 – The story of a Japanese tenkara rod
    • 13:00 – It’s the action that counts
    • 16:03 – Democratic fly fishing
    • 17:37 – Fishing emergers
    • 19:45 – No shortcuts
    • 25:12 – Simplifying sports
    • 26:30 – Seeking constraints
    • 29:06 – Juvenile delinquent energy
    • 31:46 – A bugโ€™s life
    • 36:05 – Origins of 1% for the Planet
    • 40:16 – Yvonโ€™s regenerative ag interest
    • 44:15 – Fighting climate change with market forces
    • 46:36 – A happy pessimist
    • 48:34 – Fly fishing forever
    • 53:47 – Action as the anecdote to depression

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    Chris Keyes โ€“ From Outside to RE:PUBLIC

    Chris Keyes

    Chris Keyes is the Executive Director of RE:PUBLIC and the former longtime Editor in Chief of Outside magazine. During his decades-long career in journalism, Chris helped guide Outside through some of its most iconic yearsโ€”publishing award-winning stories, mentoring top writers, and keeping the magazineโ€™s adventurous spirit alive in an era of massive change across the media landscape. Earlier this year, after leaving Outside, he launched RE:PUBLIC, a new nonprofit newsroom dedicated to one of his lifelong passions: Americaโ€™s public lands.

    RE:PUBLIC was created to fill a growing gap in environmental journalism. At a time when newsroom budgets are shrinking and coverage of conservation and land management issues has nearly disappeared, Chris saw an opportunity to build a publication focused entirely on public landsโ€”how theyโ€™re managed, who uses them, and why they matter. Structured as a nonprofit, RE:PUBLIC will publish deeply reported, narrative-driven stories that reach across political lines and help readers better understand the forces shaping the landscapes we all share.

    In this episode, we talk about what inspired Chris to start RE:PUBLIC, why public lands deserve more consistent and credible coverage, and how heโ€™s building a business model that protects editorial independence. We also discuss his years at Outside, the changing nature of journalism, the challenges of freelance writing, and why great storytelling still has the power to cut through the noise and connect people to big ideas.

    Don’t forget to sign up for RE:PUBLICโ€™s free newsletter!!

    Big thanks to Chris for the fun conversation, and thank you for listening.


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    • 2:00 – Intro, two comments and a question
    • 6:08 – From Outside to RE:PUBLIC
    • 10:57 – Public lands in the mainstream
    • 13:12 – Nonprofit model
    • 18:41 – Preaching to the choir
    • 24:11 – Managing conflict as a people pleaser
    • 29:17 – Journalism institutions and its role today
    • 33:20 – Where itโ€™s all going
    • 39:41 – The editing hierarchy
    • 44:27 – How Chris discovered Outside
    • 49:46 – Adding in some personal connection
    • 51:52 – The plan at Duke
    • 57:09 – Book recs
    • 1:00:20 – Wrapping up

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    Brad Johnson โ€“ Building Trust and Soil Health

    Agriculture Strategy Manager for TNC

    Brad Johnson is the Senior Regenerative Agriculture Advisor for The Nature Conservancy, where he helps farmers across Idaho and beyond explore new ways of working the land that build healthier soils, stronger operations, and more resilient communities. Bradโ€™s path into this work is deeply personalโ€”he grew up on a multi-generational farm in northern Idaho, where as a teenager he saw firsthand how no-till practices could dramatically reduce erosion on the steep, fertile hills of his familyโ€™s farm. That early โ€œaha momentโ€ set him on a winding path through farming, ranching, research, and even a stint in agricultural sales, before eventually joining TNC in 2019.

    In this conversation, Brad and I dig into the practical realities of regenerative agricultureโ€”what it looks like on the ground, why itโ€™s both promising and challenging to scale, and how trust and relationships are every bit as important as science and technology. He shares stories from TNCโ€™s demonstration farms, where producers are experimenting with new biological practices that reduce reliance on fungicides and pesticides, and from high school programs where the next generation of Idaho farmers are already putting regenerative methods into practice.

    Bradโ€™s perspective is grounded in lived experience and a genuine respect for the farmers he works with. Whether youโ€™re deep in the ag world or simply curious about how food systems can adapt to a changing climate, this episode offers a clear, hopeful look at whatโ€™s possible when conservation and agriculture work hand in hand.

    Both photos by Neil Crescenti/TNC


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

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    • 2:47 – Intro, 100 years in Idaho
    • 4:52 – Bluegrass sod and Idahoโ€™s land
    • 6:53 – No-till drill
    • 9:43 – Buying into no-till
    • 10:54 – From no-till to regenerative
    • 11:40 – Bradโ€™s farmer life pre-TNC
    • 14:45 – The TNC introduction
    • 18:46 – Roadblocks to switching to regenerative
    • 20:52 – Examples of regenerative farms
    • 22:54 – Spray to no-spray
    • 28:05 – Another regeneration demonstration farm
    • 31:04 – Success stories
    • 33:27 – Working with a high school
    • 36:34 – Scalability
    • 39:32 – Building trust
    • 41:09 – Looking forward and first steps
    • 43:57 – Podcast recs
    • 45:43 – Wrapping up

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    Paul Hendricks โ€“ The Conservation Alliance and the Future of Public Lands

    Paul Hendricks

    Paul Hendricks is the Executive Director of The Conservation Alliance, a coalition of more than 270 businesses working together to protect wild places across North America. Founded nearly four decades ago by Patagonia, REI, The North Face, and Kelty, The Conservation Alliance has grown into one of the most important forces in conservationโ€”pooling dollars, influence, and a collective business voice to support grassroots campaigns that keep public lands and waters healthy for generations to come. At a time when those places are under constant pressure, The Conservation Alliance is showing that businesses donโ€™t have to sit on the sidelinesโ€”they can be a powerful part of the solution.

    Paulโ€™s own path to this role winds through some of the most interesting corners of the conservation and environmental worlds. After earning a few advanced degrees, he started at Global Greengrants Fund, working with grassroots activists around the globe. He then joined Patagoniaโ€™s legendary environmental team, where he learned firsthand how a company can weave values into every decision. From there, he helped build sustainability programs at Rivian, tackling the climate footprint of a car company from the inside. And woven through all of that is a through-line of humility, service, and adventure.ย 

    In this conversation, Paul and I talk about the roots of his love for the outdoors, the mentors and lessons that shaped his career, and what itโ€™s like to step into the hot seat as a first-time executive director. We dig into The Conservation Allianceโ€™s mission and why business advocacy matters, the current threats facing public lands, and how Paul stays grounded in turbulent times. We also talk about family, leadership, failure, and why hope is not just possible but necessary. Itโ€™s a candid, thoughtful conversation with someone whoโ€™s not only shaping the future of conservation, but doing it with humility, persistence, and just enough humor to keep it human.

    Iโ€™ve had the privilege of knowing Paul for almost 15 yearsโ€“we met when he first moved to Colorado, became running and climbing partners, and have logged more hours together in the mountains and had more meaningful conversations than I can count. Watching him grow into this role has been inspiring, both for the positions heโ€™s held and for the way heโ€™s carried himself along the way.


    Photos courtesy of Paul Hendricks


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    • 2:37 โ€“ Intro, Edโ€™s one running partner
    • 4:03 โ€“ How the outdoors has shaped Paulโ€™s career
    • 6:48 โ€“ Plan post-college
    • 12:41 โ€“ Sunk-cost fallacy
    • 14:22 โ€“ Global Greengrants Fund
    • 17:05 โ€“ Learning from Rick Ridgeway
    • 20:23 โ€“ Lessons from Patagonia
    • 24:25 โ€“ Ready for a new challenge
    • 30:00 โ€“ Laid off at Rivian
    • 36:02 โ€“ Being in charge
    • 38:01 โ€“ The Conservation Alliance history
    • 43:07 โ€“ TCA within public lands threats
    • 48:58 โ€“ Whatโ€™s missing from the public lands story?
    • 51:49 โ€“ Paulโ€™s role as a leader
    • 56:14 โ€“ Role models
    • 59:04 โ€“ Getting outdoors now
    • 1:01:10 โ€“ Book recs
    • 1:03:09 โ€“ 1% for the Planet collab
    • 1:05:14 โ€“ Wrapping up

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    Kate Williams โ€“ Leadership Lessons from the CEO of 1% for the Planet

    Kate Williams… and Family!

    Kate Williams is the CEO of 1% for the Planet, the global nonprofit that has turned a simple idea into a worldwide force for good: businesses committing 1% of their annual revenue to environmental causes. If youโ€™ve ever spotted that little 1% for the Planet logo on a favorite brand, youโ€™ve seen Kateโ€™s work in actionโ€“ under her leadership, the organization has grown to more than 4,400 members across more than 110 countries, certifying nearly a billion dollars in giving to date.

    Kate, at age 18, on her NOLS course

    Kateโ€™s path to this work is anything but conventional, though looking back, it all makes perfect sense. A NOLS course at age 18 opened up new horizons for Kate and gave her a crash course in leadership, responsibility, and the joy of working hard alongside passionate people with a shared purpose. That experience led her into outdoor education, then to leading the Northern Forest Canoe Trail, and eventually to 1% for the Planet. Along the way, sheโ€™s stayed grounded in service, humility, and a knack for seeing challenges as opportunities to grow.

    In this conversation, Kate and I dig into her personal journey and the philosophy that drives her leadership. We talk about the growth of 1% for the Planet, the credibility it brings to a crowded sustainability space, and why she believes real leadership is built in โ€œsmall, consistent, humble moments.โ€ We also get into her outdoor roots, her parentsโ€™ influence, the importance of curiosity, and her belief that no matter where you are in life, โ€œthe journey continues.โ€ Itโ€™s a wide-ranging, generous conversation with someone whoโ€™s helping to reshape how businesses and individuals show up for the planet. Enjoy!


    Photos courtesy of Kate Williams


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    Topics Discussed:

    • 2:00 – Intro, sharing NOLS love
    • 5:11 – How NOLS shaped Kate as a leader
    • 9:49 – Rescue in the wilderness
    • 14:28 – Back to real life
    • 19:01 – Post-college plan
    • 21:06 – The black abyss
    • 23:03 – Why business school?
    • 27:04 – Northern Forest Canoe Trail
    • 32:39 – Path to 1% for the Planet
    • 37:21 – Person of action
    • 39:47 – 1%โ€™s impact
    • 42:19 – Acceleration
    • 45:46 – Marketing impacts
    • 48:17 – Nonprofits and businesses
    • 51:22 – 1% + The Conservation Alliance
    • 54:21 – Leaders Kate admires
    • 59:01 – Book recs
    • 1:03:24 – Parting words

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    Nicholas Triolo โ€“ What the Circuitous Path Reveals

    Nick Triolo (photo: Rio Chantel)

    Nicholas Triolo is a writer, endurance athlete, and educator whose life and work sit at the crossroads of ecology, activism, and storytelling. For years heโ€™s been exploring what happens when we stop charging toward the summit and start paying attention to the circuitous paths that wind around it. His new book, The Way Around: A Field Guide to Going Nowhere, is the culmination of that exploration โ€” a lyrical, wide-ranging meditation on movement, place, and the art of staying present.

    In the book, Nick traces a series of pilgrimages: circling a sacred mountain in Tibet, exploring a culturally significant northern California hiking tradition, and walking the rim of one of Montanaโ€™s most infamous superfund sites. Each journey reveals something deeper โ€” about endurance and restraint, about intimacy with landscapes and with ourselves, and about the courage to face environmental and cultural shadows without turning away. The book weaves together memoir, travel writing, and ecological inquiry, and in doing so, it asks us to reconsider how we measure meaning: not by miles logged or summits bagged, but by the depth of our attention and the generosity of our presence.

    In this conversation, Nick and I dig into the ideas behind the book โ€” the practice of circumambulation, the pitfalls of โ€œsummit fever,โ€ and the possibility of finding beauty even in places scarred by extraction. We also talk about the creative process: how to find your authentic voice in a world full of (good and bad) influences, how to write with both intimacy and respect, and how stories can become tools for resilience and re-enchantment.

    If youโ€™ve ever sensed that the most interesting part of a long run, a wilderness trip, or a creative endeavor is what happens beneath the surface, this is a conversation for you. Nick has a gift for showing us how going โ€œnowhereโ€ can sometimes bring us closer to where we most need to be.

    Check out the episode notes for links to everything. Hope you enjoy!


    Header photo courtesy of UTMB Thailand, headshot by Rio Chantel.


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    Topics Discussed:

    • 2:22 – Intro, when does curiosity become a book?
    • 10:14 – Summits versus processes
    • 12:31 – Western States
    • 18:34 – Structure of Nickโ€™s book
    • 24:55 – In each round
    • 28:32 – Butte, America
    • 32:47 – Instruction manual for thinking clearly
    • 35:09 – Nick reads from Widening Circles
    • 38:01 – Putting so much personal out there
    • 45:26 – Finding Nickโ€™s voice (and Edโ€™s)
    • 48:59 – Trusting curiosity
    • 53:44 – Catering to the audience
    • 56:04 – Finding the niche that needs you
    • 59:44 – The Jasmine Dialogues
    • 1:05:06 – Meeting your heroes
    • 1:11:46 – Just do you
    • 1:14:19 – Book recs
    • 1:19:47 – Last thoughts

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    Kelly Beevers โ€“ Connection, Collaboration, Conservation

    Kelly Beevers (photo by Thewmatt Photography)

    Kelly Beevers is the Grazing Lands Partner Strategy Lead with The Nature Conservancy, where she helps guide collaborative efforts to support ranchers, strengthen communities, and conserve some of the most threatened ecosystems in North America. Based in Montana, Kelly has built her career at the intersection of real estate, land stewardship, and community-driven conservationโ€”first working in commercial real estate, then private equity and consulting, before finding her home at TNC. Today, she leads TNCโ€™s work that champions rancher-led, peer-to-peer learning and innovation by strengthening, connecting, and activating all varieties of rancher networks.

    In this conversation, Kelly and I talk about her unlikely journey from Texas A&M finance classrooms to Montana ranch kitchen tables, and how those experiences shaped her approach to building authentic partnerships. We dig into the power of peer-to-peer rancher networks, why local knowledge and community leadership are essential for durable conservation, and how initiatives like Women in Ranching are reshaping the future of stewardship. Along the way, Kelly shares lessons from her career pivots, stories of on-the-ground innovation, and the hope she draws from the people she works with every day. She also offers a ton of excellent book recommendations, so be sure the check out the episode notes for links to everything.

    Kelly brings a rare mix of technical expertise, strategic vision, and deep human connection to her work, and Iโ€™ve had the privilege of calling her a friend for many years. Itโ€™s been a joy to watch her career evolve, and I know listeners will take away both inspiration and practical insight from this conversation. Enjoy!

    Header photo by Emmie Sperandeo, photo with pups by Thewmatt Photography


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

    To learn more about The Nature Conservancyโ€™s impactful work in the West and around the world, visit www.nature.org


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    Topics Discussed:

    • 2:50 – Intro, Kellyโ€™s early real estate history
    • 6:39 – Next steps after real estate
    • 9:23 – What drew Kelly to the West
    • 14:30 – Specializing in listening
    • 19:49 – From a company of one to a national nonprofit
    • 24:41 – Kellyโ€™s role at TNC
    • 28:33 – Figuring out focus
    • 36:23 – โ€œAll it tookโ€
    • 44:11 – How Kellyโ€™s work fits into the broader TNC picture
    • 54:35 – Women in Ranching
    • 1:00:11 – Earning hope
    • 1:05:58 – Book recs
    • 1:10:42 – Wrapping up

    Information Referenced:

    • Kelly Beevers
    • TNC Regenerative Grazing Lands, primarily focused on the Great Plains and the Western United States.
    • North Americaโ€™s grazing lands โ€” including grasslands, shrublands and prairies โ€” have been disappearing at an alarming rate. What remains is at risk from land conversion, extreme weather events and habitat loss, among other threats. The Nature Conservancy is working with producers, collaboratives, companies and government agencies to implement large-scale solutions to conserve these iconic lands and enhance the lives of the people who depend on them.
    • TNCโ€™s 2030 Goal: Increase the pace and impact of grazing land conservation. TNC is working to restore, improve and protect the ecological and economic condition of 240 million acres of grazing lands, which can influence how most of the 750 million acres of U.S. grazing lands are managed. 
    • The 240 million acres goal incorporates goals of other teams and work TNC is doing as well. Work is made up of principal (TNC in charge โ€” lands, easements, projects delivering on public lands, etc.), direct (TNC in leading or having direct impact on direction of collaborative project) and indirect (TNC influencing or having a hand, but not in charge).
    • TNC helps to shape policy to support regenerative grazing within the Farm Bill and public land management, creates supply chain incentives that support implementing regenerative practices and champions peer-to-peer networks, like Ranchers Leading Change.
    • M&P Matt Cahill and the sagebrush sea episode
    • M&P Matt Moorhead and Galen Guerrero-Murphy episode
    • M&P Amber Smith episode
    • Kris Tompkins on M&P
    • Edโ€™s Good News newsletter for when you need some extra hope. 
    • Whatโ€™s giving Kelly hope: rancher-led collaboratives, Department of Defense interest in agriculture, and the current administration forcing conversations within TNC to tell a more comprehensive story (ecology + economy + community).
    • Women in Ranching
    • Working Lands Collaborative in Wyoming
    • Rancher-led collaboratives like the Ranchers Stewardship Alliance 
    • A revolving loan fund that raised $80,000 to loan to businesses in Winnett, Montana, population 500.
    • Book recs: The Heart of Tracking by Richard Vacha, Never Whistle At Night: An Indigenous Dark Fiction Anthology, The Serviceberry, Becoming Animal by David Abram


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    Cole Mannix & Andrew Anderson โ€“ The Hard Work of Building a Better Food System

    Cole Mannix and Andrew Anderson

    This episode was recorded live on stage at the 2025 Old Salt Festival in Helmville, Montana, where I had the honor of sitting down with two of the people at the center of this ambitious experiment in food, land, and community: Cole Mannix who is the President and co-founder of the Old Salt Co-op and Andrew Anderson who is the manager of the J Bar L Ranch.

    If youโ€™ve been following Old Salt, you know itโ€™s much more than a beef company. Itโ€™s a bold attempt to rethink how ranching families, local communities, restaurants, and consumers can work together to create a food system thatโ€™s resilient, regenerative, and deeply rooted in place. What strikes me most about Cole, Andrew, and the Old Salt team is just how hard they are working to make this vision a reality. Theyโ€™re juggling ranching, processing, restaurants, and festivalsโ€”businesses that are notoriously difficult on their ownโ€”and somehow doing it all with an open spirit of generosity, collaboration, and humility.

    In this conversation, we dig into the early days of Old Salt, the failures and lessons that shaped it, and the risks of scaling up in an industry designed to squeeze out small producers. We talk about why they chose to take the harder road of building restaurants and hosting a one-of-a-kind festival, how they measure success beyond the spreadsheet, and why they believe community is as important a product as the beef itself. 

    Even if you donโ€™t work in food or ranching, the lessons here resonate for anyone trying to build a purpose-driven business. We cover everything from balancing mission and margins, to leading with vulnerability, to learning how to grow without losing sight of your values.

    Cole and Andrew are quick to admit they donโ€™t have it all figured out, but their candor, persistence, and vision make this a conversation I know youโ€™ll find as inspiring as I did. Enjoy!


    Header photo by Ed, headshots courtesy of Old Salt


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    • 0:00 – Intro, spirit of generosity
    • 3:38 – Starting at the beginning of Old Salt with Cole
    • 6:51 – Getting to know Andrew with J Bar L
    • 10:18 – Ranching families coming together
    • 14:51 – Lessons learned
    • 19:29 – Getting to the festival, controversies
    • 24:37 – Measuring success
    • 29:20 – Realities of meat processing
    • 34:47 – Restaurant business
    • 38:49 – What we need to know (empower producers!)
    • 42:11 – Start of audience Q&A, snack sticks
    • 44:14 – Q: How did you forge this path?
    • 47:26 – Q: If not the festival, what would the community touch points be?
    • 49:42 – Q: Succession planning
    • 54:41 – Wrapping up and thank yous

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    Brady Robinson Returns โ€“ Grassroots Conservation on a Global Scale

    Brady Robinson (photo: Susannah Allen)

    Brady Robinson is a lifelong climber, conservationist, and educator who currently serves as Director of Philanthropy for the Freyja Foundation. His career has spanned outdoor education, nonprofit leadership, and global conservation philanthropy, with past roles including Executive Director of both the Access Fund and the Conservation Alliance. These days, his work focuses on supporting high-impact land and water conservation efforts across South America, with a particular emphasis on Chilean Patagonia.

    Brady and I go way backโ€”he was my NOLS instructor in the fall of 1999, on a course that involved big mountains, a few navigational hiccups, and some life-long leadership lessons. That semester planted the seeds for much of what Iโ€™ve done professionally and personallyโ€”including starting this podcastโ€”and Bradyโ€™s been a friend and mentor for going on 26 years. He was also one of the very first guests on this podcast in 2016, back when I had only one microphone and really didnโ€™t know how to work it.

    When Brady and I last spoke on the podcast, he was leading the Access Fund, and a lot has happened since then. In this conversation, we catch up on his career and dig into everything heโ€™s working on now. We start out discussing our NOLS experience, Bradyโ€™s leadership in forming the Outdoor Alliance (alongside recent podcast guest Adam Cramer), his work on passing major climbing legislation, and the lessons heโ€™s learned about collaboration, trust, and long-game thinking. We spend the second half of the conversation digging into his current work in Patagoniaโ€™s Cochamรณ Valleyโ€”a spectacular and at-risk landscape in southern Chile that Brady and his colleagues are working to protect through an ambitious multi-partner campaign. Itโ€™s a story of nimble, grassroots conservation work, smart philanthropy, and whatโ€™s possible when people align around a shared purpose.

    If youโ€™ve enjoyed my conversations with Kris Tompkins or Adam Cramer, then I know youโ€™ll enjoy this one as well. Big thanks to Brady for his decades of support and mentorshipโ€”and another big thanks to you for listening. Enjoy!


    Header photo by Jimmy Chin, headshot by Susannah Allen


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    • 2:27 – Intro and how Ed and Brady met in 1999
    • 9:06 – Access Fund
    • 14:59 – Building a top-notch board
    • 18:12 – Alignment
    • 23:42 – Leaders Brady admires
    • 30:07 – Getting to Patagonia
    • 35:33 – Working with Kris Tompkins
    • 40:57 – Main Freyja Foundation goals
    • 43:48 – The Cochamรณ Valley
    • 49:55 – Real estate rough
    • 56:52 – The cool kidsโ€™ table
    • 1:00:41 – All about the one-on-one
    • 1:02:52 – Book recs

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    Colorado River Day 2025 โ€“ Essential Books and Conversations

    In honor of Colorado River Day 2025, I pulled together a stack of books and past Mountain & Prairie podcast episodes that dig into the Colorado River Basin. Some zoom in on the river itself; others take a wider look at the environmental, agricultural, historical, and cultural forces shaping the basin as a whole.

    The whole point of Mountain & Prairie is to make these complex Western issues accessible, understandable, andโ€”dare I sayโ€”fun. So think of this as a mini-library for better grasping the Colorado Riverโ€™s outsized influence on everything west of the 100th meridian.


    BOOKS

    Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey

    The Secret Knowledge of Water by Craig Childs

    Losing Eden by Sara Dant

    The Emerald Mile by Kevin Fedarko

    A Walk in the Park by Kevin Fedarko

    Downriver by Heather Hansman

    Encounters with the Archdruid by John McPhee

    The Grand Canyon: Between River and Rim by Pete McBride

    The Colorado River: Chasing Water by Pete McBride

    Where the Water Goes by David Owen

    Life After Dead Pool by Zac Podmore

    Cadillac Desert by Mark Reisner

    Brave the Wild River by Melissa L. Sevigny

    This America of Ours by Nate Schweber

    Beyond the Hundredth Meridian by Wallace Stegner

    These are just a few of the books that either I have read or come highly recommended by podcast guests. If I missed any of your favorites, send me a message and I’ll add them in!


    PODCASTS


    Header photo by Ed.

    Celene Hawkins and Taylor Hawes โ€“ Navigating the Next Era of the Colorado River

    Taylor Hawes (left) and Celene Hawkins (right)

    Celene Hawkins is the new Colorado River Program Director for The Nature Conservancy, stepping into the role after years of impactful work in tribal water policy and place-based conservation across the basin. Sheโ€™s taking the baton from Taylor Hawes, who led the program for nearly 17 years and is now serving as the Colorado River Programโ€™s Special Advisor. Itโ€™s a leadership transition at a critical moment for the Colorado River, and in this episode, I was lucky to sit down with both of them in person to talk through the handoffโ€”whatโ€™s changing, whatโ€™s staying the same, and what the future of the river might look like.

    This is both Celene and Taylorโ€™s second time on the podcast, and we cover a lot of ground. We talk about the ongoing negotiations over new operating guidelines for the riverโ€”whatโ€™s on the table, why the stakes are so high, and what happens if the basin states canโ€™t come to an agreement. We dig into tribal involvementโ€”how things are (slowly) changing after decades of exclusion, and why stronger tribal participation is essential to any long-term solutions. We also explore how conservation groups are bringing new ideas, resources, and partnerships to the table, from modeling future scenarios to piloting creative water-sharing and resilience strategies across the West.

    And beyond the policy, we talk about what it actually takes to lead in a time of uncertaintyโ€”how to stay grounded, keep teams motivated, and maintain momentum when the challenges feel overwhelming. As always, Taylor and Celene bring a clear-eyed sense of purpose and a refreshing mix of realism and optimism to the conversation.

    Weโ€™re releasing this episode just ahead of Colorado River Day, which falls on July 25th. So if you care about the West, public lands, rivers, or just want to better understand one of the most important water and conservation challenges in North America, this is a great place to start.

    Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoy!

    Photos courtesy of TNC, header photo ยฉ Eloise Kendy


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

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    Topics Discussed:

    • 3:02 – Intro, Taylorโ€™s career shift
    • 7:27 – Celeneโ€™s journey into Taylorโ€™s old role
    • 9:07 – What Taylorโ€™s proud of
    • 13:16 – Celeneโ€™s pitch for the job
    • 15:21 – Exciting initiatives
    • 17:18 – Overview of the Colorado River Basin negotiations
    • 22:42 – Sticking points
    • 23:54 – Finding the Indigenous voice
    • 28:38 – Alternatives
    • 31:37 – Work outside of negotiations
    • 37:07 – Federal funding freeze impacts
    • 39:04 – Effects of uncertainty
    • 40:57 – Not getting bogged down
    • 44:49 – What Celeneโ€™s learned from Taylor
    • 46:28 – And how Taylor thinks Celene is well-positioned
    • 47:22 – Book recs
    • 51:37 – Wrapping up

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    Helen Rebanks – โ€œThe Farmerโ€™s Wifeโ€ – Live at the Old Salt Festival

    Helen Rebanks

    This conversation with Helen Rebanks was recorded live and on stage at the 2025 Old Salt Festival, held on the Mannix Family Ranch in Helmville, Montana. If you were there, you know how special the moment was. If you werenโ€™tโ€”well, Iโ€™m glad youโ€™re here now. Even though we were on a stage, in front of a crowd, the conversation had the quiet, reflective feel of two friends talking over a kitchen tableโ€”fitting, given how much of Helenโ€™s story centers around that most sacred of domestic spaces.

    Helen is the author of The Farmerโ€™s Wife: My Life in Days, a beautiful and deeply grounded book about food, family, work, and the often invisible labor that holds it all together. In this wide-ranging conversation, we talk about the joys and struggles of farm life, raising kids, writing honestly without self-pity, and why the kitchen table might just be the most important place in the world. Helen shares stories from her own life and reads a few powerful passages from the bookโ€”including one that could double as the Old Salt manifesto.

    A huge thank you to Cole Mannix, the Mannix family, and the Old Salt crew for making this eventโ€”and this conversationโ€”possible. Itโ€™s not every day that a bestselling British author makes the trek to a working ranch in western Montana, but Helen did just that, along with her husband James and two of their four children, Molly and Tom. Iโ€™m so happy they made the journey, and I came away deeply grateful for the time we shared and the conversations we had.

    Whether youโ€™re a rancher, parent, reader, cook, or just someone trying to live a life of purpose and connection, Helenโ€™s story has something for you. So give it a listenโ€”and if you havenโ€™t already, pick up a copy of The Farmerโ€™s Wife. Youโ€™ll be glad you did.

    Check out the episode notes for links to everything and thanks so much for listening.


    Header photo by Imogen Whitely


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    • 2:00 – Introducing Helen
    • 4:04 – Helen reads from The Farmerโ€™s Wife
    • 6:49 – Structuring the book
    • 9:46 – Real work
    • 12:26 – Helen reads again, connecting to Old Salt
    • 17:00 – Shiny individuals and self-autonomy
    • 18:55 – Empathy and compassion
    • 25:23 – Parenting advice from Helen
    • 27:35 – Helenโ€™s take on Montana
    • 31:03 – Staying positive within the chaos
    • 33:14 – Mums can change the world
    • 36:23 – Beginning of audience Q&A
    • 37:24 – Q: Did Helen ever regret her choices?
    • 40:26 – Q: How do we get young people into this lifestyle?
    • 44:10 – Helen and Wendell Berry
    • 45:00 – Book recs (just read memoirs!)
    • 46:39 – What would Helen tell her young self?
    • 48:32 – Helenโ€™s favorite recipes from the book
    • 50:54 – Parting words

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    Brendan Leonard Returns โ€“ On Writing, Teaching, and Staying Weird

    Brendan Leonard

    Brendan Leonard is back for his third appearance on the podcastโ€”this time recorded in person at his house in Missoula. Brendanโ€™s the creative mind behind Semi-Rad, and over the years, heโ€™s become a good friend and one of my most trusted advisors when it comes to creativity and building a life around the things you care about. Heโ€™s a writer, illustrator, filmmaker, ultrarunner, teacher, and all-around creative machineโ€”someone whoโ€™s carved out a career by doing things his own way, with a healthy dose of humor and generosity.

    This episode is pretty much two friends sitting at a kitchen table having a laid-back chat about our long list of shared interests. We talk about everything from teaching writing and designing online courses, to the pros and cons of Substack, to how to market your work without feeling like a sellout. We dig into the practical side of creativityโ€”how to make things, share them, and make a livingโ€”without losing the joy and weirdness that made you want to create in the first place.

    We also get into self-publishing vs. traditional publishing, why Brendan makes funny books like 15-Second Recipes, and why he believes that generosity, self-deprecation, and consistency matter more than flash or perfection. Thereโ€™s a lot here for anyone trying to make meaningful things in the margins of a busy lifeโ€ฆ or build a creative life from the ground up.

    If youโ€™re new to Brendanโ€™s work, be sure to check out his website, newsletter, and his earlier podcast episodes. Iโ€™d also specifically encourage you to check out his most recent book Ultra-Something, his recent film The Seven Summits of My Neighborhood, and the podcast he co-hosts, which is called The Trailhead.

    Brendan is one of the most thoughtful, practical, and humble voices out there when it comes to creative work, and Iโ€™m always better off after talking to him. Hope you enjoy.


    All photos courtesy of Brendan Leonard


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    Topics Discussed:

    • 2:11 – Brendan blowing out the speakers
    • 3:47 – How Brendan got into teaching and early days at Freeflow
    • 8:06 – Brendanโ€™s teachers
    • 11:09 – The Feynman technique
    • 14:10 – Substack versus a website
    • 17:54 – The necessity of marketing yourself
    • 20:53 – Keeping the voice
    • 25:00 – Moving Brendanโ€™s writing course online
    • 27:23 – Keeping it low-key
    • 29:40 – Abundance vs. scarcity mentality
    • 33:56 – Publisher vs. self-publishing
    • 38:39 – Nickels and dimes of self-publishing
    • 42:31 – Talking Seven Summits of My Neighborhood
    • 50:23 – Digging into the niches
    • 51:55 – Curing the male loneliness epidemic
    • 55:44 – Helping people with humor
    • 58:43 – Treating others with respect
    • 1:00:07 – Book recs

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    Sean Claffey โ€“ A Resilient Vision for Sagebrush Country

    Sean Claffey

    Sean Claffey is the Southwest Montana Sagebrush Conservation Coordinator at the Nature Conservancy, a role that places him at the center of one of the Westโ€™s most overlooked but critically important ecosystems: the sagebrush steppe. Based in Dillon, Montana, Sean works across public and private lands to protect and restore this sprawling, foundational landscape that serves as habitat for countless species, supports rural economies, and connects the regionโ€™s valleys and mountain ranges. Through his leadership in the Southwest Montana Sagebrush Partnershipโ€”a collaborative effort uniting agencies, landowners, and nonprofitsโ€”Sean helps ensure that the health of this โ€œland in betweenโ€ doesnโ€™t fall through the cracks.

    In this conversation, Sean and I dig into the complex threats facing sagebrush country, from invasive grasses and wildfire to conifer encroachment and land conversion. We talk about how fire suppression and ecological shifts have allowed evergreens like Douglas fir and juniper to overtake sagebrush, and how Seanโ€™s team is using a mix of prescribed burns, manual thinning, and innovative partnerships with local mills to restore balance to the landscape. He also shares how theyโ€™re engaging young people in hands-on restoration work, creating pathways for rural youth to connect with the land and gain meaningful employment.

    Sean brings a unique blend of scientific insight, community-mindedness, and boots-on-the-ground experience to this work, and heโ€™s quick to credit the collaborative culture of southwest Montana for making so much progress possible. From low-tech wet meadow restoration to building a more resilient restoration economy, this is a hopeful, grounded conversation about how conservation can succeed when it centers people, place, and purpose.

    If youโ€™re a new listeners and want to go deeper on this subject, Iโ€™d encourage you to go back and listen to my earlier episode with Matt Cahill who gives an excellent crash course on the Sagebrush Sea and the epsiode with Austin Rempel and Nancy Smith, who dig deep into riparian restoration in Montana.ย ย 

    But for this episode, be sure the check out the webpage and episode notes for some excellent videos about Seanโ€™s work and links to everything we discuss.  Thanks for listening. 

    Photos courtesy of Sean Claffey


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    During the last week of every month throughout 2025, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancyโ€™s leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond. You can access all of the episodes here.

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    Topics Discussed:

    • 3:26 – Intro and Edโ€™s love of Dillon
    • 4:14 – The Sagebrush Sea
    • 7:19 – Pressures on the sea
    • 9:42 – Conifer expansion, the main reason for grassland reduction
    • 12:00 – Ecological, environmental, economical
    • 17:52 – Working with the timber industry
    • 21:59 – Southwest Montana Sagebrush Partnership, not just another NGO
    • 26:41 – Seanโ€™s first priorities with SW MT Sagebrush
    • 30:11 – The way the water should flow
    • 34:47 – Youth programming
    • 40:53 – Cheatgrass, an actual cheater
    • 43:47 – Containing cheatgrass
    • 45:01 – Cheatgrass and fire
    • 47:02 – Working with private landowners
    • 52:58 – Connecting with the community
    • 58:21 – A little more about Sean
    • 1:01:10 – Career advice for people who want to make the world a better place
    • 1:03:54 – Book recs and life recs

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    Adam Cramer โ€“ Fighting for the Future of Public Lands

    Adam Cramer

    Adam Cramer is the CEO of the Outdoor Alliance, a coalition that brings together human-powered outdoor recreation groups to protect public lands and waters. With a deep understanding of both policy and recreation, Adam has helped position the Outdoor Alliance as a powerful voice in the national conservation movementโ€”bridging the gap between grassroots outdoor communities and high-level decision-making in Washington, DC.

    Before launching into public lands advocacy, Adam spent years working as an attorney in DC. But outside the office, his life was centered on outdoor adventureโ€”he started as a skateboarder, then became a climber, and eventually a whitewater kayaker. A chance encounter in a river parking area led to his first pro bono conservation case, and that spark ultimately evolved into his full-time vocation. Adamโ€™s story is a testament to the idea that if you care deeply about a place, thereโ€™s a way to use your unique skills to help protect it.

    In this conversation, we talked about the origins of the Outdoor Alliance, Adamโ€™s evolution from attorney to coalition-builder, and why generosityโ€”not dominanceโ€”is his guiding principle for leadership. We discussed why civic engagement matters more than ever, how outdoor recreation can build bipartisan bridges, and why showing upโ€”even when it feels smallโ€”can make a real difference. 

    Itโ€™s worth noting that we recorded this conversation in early June 2025, just as a wave of new legislation and political turbulence was rolling across the public lands landscape. Since then, things have continued to change rapidly. If you care about the future of outdoor recreation and conservation in this country, I highly recommend signing up for the Outdoor Allianceโ€™s newsletter or following them on social media to stay informed and involved.ย 

    Again, a big thanks to the Mighty Arrow Family Foundation for introducing me to Adam and another big thanks to Patagonia Denver for generously letting us use their community room to record this conversation. Enjoy!

    Photos courtesy of Adam Cramer and the Outdoor Alliance


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    To learn more about Mighty Arrowโ€™s forward-thinking, optimistic, and visionary work here in the American West and beyond, please visit www.mightyarrow.org.


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    Topics Discussed:

    • 3:05 โ€“ Intro (with a jiu jitsu connection)
    • 6:45 โ€“ Law school, then what?
    • 8:01 โ€“ The individuality of skateboarding
    • 10:38 โ€“ Billdering
    • 11:45 โ€“ Beginning of kayaking and the end of a relationship
    • 13:40 โ€“ A type of code switching
    • 16:26 โ€“ Giving back to the places
    • 23:03 โ€“ How Outdoor Alliance came together
    • 27:51 โ€“ Sticking points
    • 30:46 โ€“ Attorney mindset to strategy point-person
    • 33:13 โ€“ Leadership inspiration
    • 37:24 โ€“ A generous mindset
    • 42:49 โ€“ Whoโ€™s pro selling off public lands?
    • 45:21 โ€“ Guidepost goals
    • 49:04 โ€“ The reason Adam got on the plane to Colorado, where heโ€™s talking with Ed
    • 48:14 – Why you should engage with your elected officials
    • 58:30 – Evidence the world doesnโ€™t totally suck
    • 59:43 – Optimistic?
    • 1:03:40 – How to get involved
    • 1:05:06 – Book recs

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