Dan Flores is back for another visit on the podcast. If you’re a fan of the history of the American West, then Dan is no stranger—he’s the author of many of my favorite books, including American Serengeti, Coyote America, and Wild New World. Most recently, he wrapped up a 42-episode series with the MeatEater network called The American West with Dan Flores, covering everything from bison and wolves to the origins of our public lands and what it means to belong to a place. It’s the closest most of us will get to sitting in one of Dan’s university classes, and I can’t recommend it highly enough.
Dan is Professor spent much of his academic career at the University of Montana, but he’s always been less interested in the Old West of cattle drives and gunfights than in what he calls the natural West—the landscapes, animals, Native people, and ideas that make this region unlike anywhere else. He grew up in Louisiana, a place with almost no public land, and spent the 1970s looking for a foothold in the real West. He found three: the canyon country outside Lubbock, Montana’s Bitterroot Valley, and the Galisteo Valley south of Santa Fe, where he and his wife, Dr. Sara Dant, live today. In each place, he dug in, learned the country, and went to work restoring it.
As expected, we covered a ton in this episode: We started with the story behind The American West series and how a decades-long friendship with Steven Rinella finally turned into 42 episodes. We discussed the biggest epiphany Dan had while making it—that for those of us living here now, the public lands matter far more than the frontier ever did. Dan traces the origins of public lands back to George Perkins Marsh, a wildly influential public intellectual most of us have never heard of, and forward through John Wesley Powell, the first forest reserves, and the end of homesteading in the 1930s. We dug into Theodore Roosevelt’s transformation from a young man who rushed to Dakota Territory to kill a buffalo before they were all gone into a president willing to break with his own Gilded Age class to protect the landscapes and wildlife he loved. We also talked about repeat photography and the staggering disappearance of the glaciers in Glacier National Park, the willful destruction of Western wildlife, bioregionalism and rewilding on a scale that any of us can manage, and a few book recommendations to round it out.
Be sure to check the episode notes for links to everything we discussed, including the full American West series and the new 2026 edition of Coyote America. Dan is as generous with his time and wisdom as anyone I know, and I always come away from these conversations with a longer reading list and a better understanding of this place.
Photos courtesy of Dan Flores and Sara Dant
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Topics Discussed:
- 0:00 – Introducing Dan Flores and highlighting the Rye Resurgence Project
- 7:24 – From writing to audio
- 13:10 – The natural West
- 20:01 – Aha! moments
- 28:41 – George Perkins Marsh
- 44:43 – Animal eradication
- 52:31 – Teddy Roosevelt deep-dive
- 1:05:18 – Place
- 1:13:56 – Rewilding the Bitterroot
- 1:20:12 – Rewilding on your own scale
- 1:23:06 – Book recs and wrapping up
Information Referenced:
- Dan Flores
- Dan Flores’ first M&P experience
- Dan on MeatEater
- The American West podcast produced by MeatEater
- Ed’s review of MeatEater’s Steve Rinella’s book, Meat Eater
- American Serengeti
- The American West episode about place, ep 40
- Repeat photography American West episode
- Origins of western public lands American West episode
- Big Sky Journal
- Repeat photos of the Grinnell Glacier and another piece of journalism on glaciers disappearing and how to document them
- M&P public lands episodes
- George Perkins Marsh
- Dan’s article in the New Mexico Magazine explaining his move south
- Rewilding
- American Prairie
- Kris Tompkins on M&P
- Books about the American West that everyone should read. Ed on MeatEater!
- American Wolf
- Book recs: Wild on Purpose (written by the man behind American Prairie), The Reign of Wolve 21, a Rick McIntyre book in a series that serves as biographies of individual wolves in Yellowstone National Park
- Coyote America, 2026
- Rye Resurgence Project
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- Douglas Brinkley – Exploring the Past to Find Inspiration for the Future
- Doug Peacock – 50 Years of Fighting for the Grizzlies
- Nick Offerman – Empathy, Nuance, & Good Hard Work
- Rebecca Clarren – “The Cost of Free Land”
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